DUST Search - CCP Ignoring logi's?

True Adamance wrote:

CCP Saberwing wrote:

Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now.

For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc!

I can only imagine, but as a player I have to say that is what impressed me the most, that the dev teams went out of their way to make such a change for such and event, and because of that I really appreciated the event. Thankyou CCP for that it was incredible.

However custom skyboxes are not wholly what makes the event what it is. Perhaps a map could display an unique socket lay out that we rarely see, or a slight alterations to terrain or objective location fitting with the lore. Events in their own right could be used to introduce content features as well if something missed release at patch X,Y,or Z you patch the event in and release the content under special circumstances.

Its the small details like that which gets the wider communities appreciation.

Perhaps even depending on our win/losses we could affect the outcome of the plot. I distinctly remember how polarised the community became during the event. Everyone took a side, everyone fought for their chosen faction, everyone looked up when the first spawned in and died because they were staring at the Titan.

And those unique rewards...commemerative dropsuits, very limited edition, they used to be prized vanity items in my stocks....not anymore since the State Protectorate Suit went Orange...... but none the less were symbols of the campaigns we had served in..in their own right.

Thanks for hearing me out though.

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9442	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:22:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! OH GOOD THANK GOD! Please Sabrewing almighty responder of threads.... please steer the current events paradigm away from arbirtrary and arcadey challenges and bring them back to Lore based events with unique rewards and factional choices like Caldari Prime did. No event since that one has been nearly so well received by the community. Please take this opportunity to bring the narrative of New Eden into the games we play and also make us as players feel a part of New Eden. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6571	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:23:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: because we find it in the deepest depths of our dark hearts to be nice In a CCP game? GTFO #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3539	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:24:00 - [33] - Quote True Adamance wrote: OH GOOD THANK GOD! Please Sabrewing almighty responder of threads.... please steer the current events paradigm away from arbirtrary and arcadey challenges and bring them back to Lore based events with unique rewards and factional choices like Caldari Prime did. No event since that one has been nearly so well received by the community. Please take this opportunity to bring the narrative of New Eden into the games we play and also make us as players feel a part of New Eden. Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now. For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc! CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9443	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:33:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: True Adamance wrote: OH GOOD THANK GOD! Please Sabrewing almighty responder of threads.... please steer the current events paradigm away from arbirtrary and arcadey challenges and bring them back to Lore based events with unique rewards and factional choices like Caldari Prime did. No event since that one has been nearly so well received by the community. Please take this opportunity to bring the narrative of New Eden into the games we play and also make us as players feel a part of New Eden. Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now. For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc! I can only imagine, but as a player I have to say that is what impressed me the most, that the dev teams went out of their way to make such a change for such and event, and because of that I really appreciated the event. Thankyou CCP for that it was incredible. However custom skyboxes are not wholly what makes the event what it is. Perhaps a map could display an unique socket lay out that we rarely see, or a slight alterations to terrain or objective location fitting with the lore. Events in their own right could be used to introduce content features as well if something missed release at patch X,Y,or Z you patch the event in and release the content under special circumstances. Its the small details like that which gets the wider communities appreciation. Perhaps even depending on our win/losses we could affect the outcome of the plot. I distinctly remember how polarised the community became during the event. Everyone took a side, everyone fought for their chosen faction, everyone looked up when the first spawned in and died because they were staring at the Titan. And those unique rewards...commemerative dropsuits, very limited edition, they used to be prized vanity items in my stocks....not anymore since the State Protectorate Suit went Orange...... but none the less were symbols of the campaigns we had served in..in their own right. Thanks for hearing me out though. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1493	Posted - 2014.04.11 03:59:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now. For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc! I can only imagine, but as a player I have to say that is what impressed me the most, that the dev teams went out of their way to make such a change for such and event, and because of that I really appreciated the event. Thankyou CCP for that it was incredible. However custom skyboxes are not wholly what makes the event what it is. Perhaps a map could display an unique socket lay out that we rarely see, or a slight alterations to terrain or objective location fitting with the lore. Events in their own right could be used to introduce content features as well if something missed release at patch X,Y,or Z you patch the event in and release the content under special circumstances. Its the small details like that which gets the wider communities appreciation. Perhaps even depending on our win/losses we could affect the outcome of the plot. I distinctly remember how polarised the community became during the event. Everyone took a side, everyone fought for their chosen faction, everyone looked up when the first spawned in and died because they were staring at the Titan. And those unique rewards...commemerative dropsuits, very limited edition, they used to be prized vanity items in my stocks....not anymore since the State Protectorate Suit went Orange...... but none the less were symbols of the campaigns we had served in..in their own right. Thanks for hearing me out though. ^ THIS MILLION TIMES THIS While the Titan skybox and bits of Titan parts scattered on the map were frigging awesome , that wasn't the main reason I consider Caldari Prime to be the best event as of yet. It was the lore connection, the rewards, the fact that we had an impact on what would happen next. Anyone remember the time when we had a series of events right before Uprising that had impact on the New Eden lore? The fall of Tibus Heth, historical gathering of the Tribal Council which set the path for the Matari to abandom democracy and reinstate the council, those were things we dusters played a part in to make it happen. Maybe if the Bragian Order had succeeded in defeating the defending Sebiestor Field Sappers and conquering Vard II, the Tribal Council may have not gathered and set the story on a completely different path. The events where we have an impact and gain unique rewards from are the best, not just arcade-y competitions with aurum items and SP as rewards. As Kador said, it doesn't have to be anything grand with custom skyboxes and huge battles going on in space at the same time. Just a simple loredrop along with the event to explain why it happened, and slight adjustments would happen depending on the outcome. For instance, a Caldari corp could try to take control of a Gallente research facility to steal new blueprints for weapon tech. If the Caldari win, the cost of rail rifles go down while the price of assault rifles goes up ane vice versa if the Gallente win. Or maybe a Kameira with vital data about Amarr tech has escaped his slave master and is trying to leave Amarr. Minmatar try to defend a VIP, in this case a CCP actor, throughout the match while Amarr try to kill and capture him. If the Minmatar win, they can get a brand new dropsuit with a unique fitting layout(like the Black Eagle scout), or the Amarr get their own unique suit if they win. These kind of events that let us influence the game and the overall New Eden universe, even if they're just small fluff events, are the best and those I really crave. Please CCP, do more of these kind of events! Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Apr. 1st
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1398	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:08:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: True Adamance wrote: OH GOOD THANK GOD! Please Sabrewing almighty responder of threads.... please steer the current events paradigm away from arbirtrary and arcadey challenges and bring them back to Lore based events with unique rewards and factional choices like Caldari Prime did. No event since that one has been nearly so well received by the community. Please take this opportunity to bring the narrative of New Eden into the games we play and also make us as players feel a part of New Eden. Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now. For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc! I agree with CCP Saberwing. There are MANY more important priorities right now. These might be cool to do again eventually (TM) when the core is in place, the playerbase is growing steadily, and its bringing in enough money to expand the staff, and recoup development costs. I think the whole Caldari Prime thing and the Templar stuff was a HUGE misappropriation of development resources at the time. If all of that effort had been spent on core mechanics and NPE, this game might have double (or more) of the current players right now. If we had those numbers, we'd presumably be able to afford a larger team, and would have seen changes happening much faster. I think it was one of the worst blunders by the last EP. Now I love my Templar gear, don't get me wrong, but the whole event was such a waste of resources at the worst possible time. Best PvE idea ever!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9445	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:20:00 - [37] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: True Adamance wrote: OH GOOD THANK GOD! Please Sabrewing almighty responder of threads.... please steer the current events paradigm away from arbirtrary and arcadey challenges and bring them back to Lore based events with unique rewards and factional choices like Caldari Prime did. No event since that one has been nearly so well received by the community. Please take this opportunity to bring the narrative of New Eden into the games we play and also make us as players feel a part of New Eden. Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now. For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc! I agree with CCP Saberwing. There are MANY more important priorities right now. These might be cool to do again eventually (TM) when the core is in place, the playerbase is growing steadily, and its bringing in enough money to expand the staff, and recoup development costs. I think the whole Caldari Prime thing and the Templar stuff was a HUGE misappropriation of development resources at the time. If all of that effort had been spent on core mechanics and NPE, this game might have double (or more) of the current players right now. If we had those numbers, we'd presumably be able to afford a larger team, and would have seen changes happening much faster. I think it was one of the worst blunders by the last EP. Now I love my Templar gear, don't get me wrong, but the whole event was such a waste of resources at the worst possible time. I'm not suggesting they shift focus to priming events..... all I am suggesting is that perhaps once the game reaches a specific level of developmental stability we consider moving away from the established class, SP, or weapon based challenges and get back to events that make us a players feel a part of the universe we inhabit. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3548	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:49:00 - [38] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'm not suggesting they shift focus to priming events..... all I am suggesting is that perhaps once the game reaches a specific level of developmental stability we consider moving away from the established class, SP, or weapon based challenges and get back to events that make us a players feel a part of the universe we inhabit. Nothing would make me happier - believe me, we love to run cool events like that too. :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 9	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:51:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! Event event!!!! Logi active equipment event double wp sp for reps needles and scanners better yet triple for scanner they suck need sone inentive to break them out CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 814	Posted - 2014.04.11 04:56:00 - [40] - Quote Quote: CCP Ignoring logi's? No, they are nerfing them in to the ground. Like you have to use the side arm, no more light weapon. And you will see even less logis on the BF. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.

TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 195	Posted - 2014.04.11 05:22:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! "Double dose of Logi love" - nano hives, nanite injectors, repair tools, uplinks: double the output and half the consumption.
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 9	Posted - 2014.04.11 05:41:00 - [42] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people Noone ever rep this guy feel free to needle him in full view of the enemy though over and over and over again dont hate on the logis we can make or break your day CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 247	Posted - 2014.04.11 06:00:00 - [43] - Quote Logis make money ? When did that happen? :/ Tanker alt -- Quasar Storm Director of PAND3M0N1UM Medical Vending Machine^^Nanite Delight
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2648	Posted - 2014.04.11 06:32:00 - [44] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people Uhh.. Git gud? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 195	Posted - 2014.04.11 06:42:00 - [45] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: Logis make money ? When did that happen? :/ As a Logi, I loose A LOT more then I make. It hasn't happened
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 452	Posted - 2014.04.11 07:19:00 - [46] - Quote Tony Duster wrote: I feel like 5x on wp's isn't so bad. 125wp per rep or spawn is pretty huge. 300wp on a revive. More for squad action too! Numbers like that make me a logi machine. Yeah it applies to everyone unlike some of the latest events, but I'm always seeing QQ on the forums about how much WP logis can get. I'm digging these events as a logi. If that was the case i would be getting 25000 wp in a match. 5 ob just by me ?? go home.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 286	Posted - 2014.04.11 08:57:00 - [47] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people Jeezz what a moron... Do you even know how much a decent logi fit costs? When I need money, I run militia fits or a cheap heavy... Being top of the board doesn't mean that we get enough money to cover our expenses! If I die more than three times in my advanced logi fit, I'll usually loose money! Well don't come to me, when you need ammo reps or whatever Shadow.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1183	Posted - 2014.04.11 09:19:00 - [48] - Quote waistr wrote: So why are all the events skewed so against logis? Pretty much because they don't like Logis. Logi suits were the breaking point for many WP exploits (at least in early Beta). CCP/Shanghai seemed to take offense at that and Logi WP has been on a consistent target for getting hammered. Sometimes with many tiny little whacks and other times with huge steam hammer blows. Rotten Assault suits result in many players using Logi suits which makes --> Slayer Logis! Nerf Logis. Why would we fix the Assault suits so they were good assault suits? Heck they ruined shields so nobody would run Caldari Assault you silly Merc. Design a system, leave it in place for over a year and then gut it. All while saying no, it is just a rumor except that the rumor and the truth actually matched perfectly. Now, too bad, so sad. I have not skilled back into Logi. I won't until the medium suit reshuffle happens. Which means what exactly is unexplained nor is there any time frame or ETA for it to be resolved. Not even a SOON(bs) from Devs. Nor I have skilled back into Heavies. Same thing. Until they determine how bad the Nerf Hammer is why spend the SP? Either way it doesn't pay. Skill into Logi, get Nerf Hammered with no SP reset. Skill into Heavy, get Nerf Hammered with no SP reset. I got to admit these guys are consistent. Although, coming from me that is not a compliment. And so it goes.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1183	Posted - 2014.04.11 09:22:00 - [49] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! "Double dose of Logi love" - nano hives, nanite injectors, repair tools, uplinks: double the output and half the consumption. I am sure he just forgot they Nerf Hammered all the equipment. And they are going to Nerf it again so a Logi won't be able to fit a Cloak Shield. Sweet. Unless you use it of course. And so it goes.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.04.11 09:52:00 - [50] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people yea, he's right. and about half the time i'm on top with like a 4/5 kdr and the other dude is right; we make out every event, esp. the recent heavy and commando ones, wp was getting raked in. make an event where for every logi you kill you get bonus sp. now that would be a logi event

Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1487	Posted - 2014.04.11 10:33:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! seriously an event that in some way caters to logi wuld be nice A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
LT apparition Molon Labe. 78	Posted - 2014.04.11 10:38:00 - [52] - Quote waistr wrote: So why are all the events skewed so against logis? Nova Knife event Logi friendly? - nope Operation Mauler Logi friendly? - nope Side Arm show down Logi Friendly? we don't even have a side arm slot So CCP how about an event we can shine in? OPPERATION REP TOOL CIRCLE JERK Have 3 or more logis all repping each other for fun and prize's Speak up brothers! Calm Yourself.. I'm Sure it's In the Pipelines. Ich sehe alles...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9456	Posted - 2014.04.11 11:34:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: True Adamance wrote: I'm not suggesting they shift focus to priming events..... all I am suggesting is that perhaps once the game reaches a specific level of developmental stability we consider moving away from the established class, SP, or weapon based challenges and get back to events that make us a players feel a part of the universe we inhabit. Nothing would make me happier - believe me, we love to run cool events like that too. :) That's pleasing to hear Sir Sabrewing. Nothing would make me happier and a huge fan of the lore and game than to feel like a person inhabiting New Eden. As much as most people consider a game to be a game.... I like to consider New Eden an experience, and such kinds of events that tie us to the greater universe serve only to enhance that experience in a manner only you guys are capable of. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 183	Posted - 2014.04.11 13:35:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! I just make it up as I go along? Seriously, everyone knows what these events are for. That's why your waiting to nerf heavies 'more data' aka events. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 183	Posted - 2014.04.11 13:42:00 - [55] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: Logis make money ? When did that happen? :/ I'm a logi. I Pocket 10 mill a day if I don't get involved in drama. Spam links and Nan o. You don't even have to kill. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
lunatis orrak Band of The Hawkx Lokun Listamenn 12	Posted - 2014.04.11 13:53:00 - [56] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: Storm Shelton wrote: Logis make money ? When did that happen? :/ I'm a logi. I Pocket 10 mill a day if I don't get involved in drama. Spam links and Nan o. You don't even have to kill. Whoa there horsy i believe i smell a tall tail now are you trying to say you make 10 a day or you profit ten a day ? CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Thrydwulf Khodan 80	Posted - 2014.04.11 14:22:00 - [57] - Quote meri jin wrote: Quote: CCP Ignoring logi's? No, they are nerfing them in to the ground. Like you have to use the side arm, no more light weapon. And you will see even less logis on the BF. FYI - The SMG has low CPU/PG requirements and is great for close quarters combat. (And it is a sidearm.) and extremely comparable to the AR from a performance standpoint. And you'll see true logibro wherever there is need on the battlefield. If something is required ... from hives to uplinks to sticks to reppers and scanners we will be there. Logi assault ... Maybe not so much.
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 249	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:50:00 - [58] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: I'm a logi. I Pocket 10 mill a day if I don't get involved in drama. Spam links and Nan o. You don't even have to kill. I would make money, But I'm too busy dishing it out to the community. Helping newer players get a jumpstart. Besides if I wanna grind ISK I can. I could make more than 10m a day easy if I had that time to play. Running my ADV gear gets boring after awhile, Though, And I prefer using all of my proto equipment to get better results -- Like 100% revives or speed repping. Its better for the team if I can do my job quickly and move on. Mainly though, Between helping newcomers & playing CFW, I stay pretty balanced with ISK. Tanker alt -- Quasar Storm Director of PAND3M0N1UM Medical Vending Machine^^Nanite Delight
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3453	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:53:00 - [59] - Quote Logis were considered the absolute best suit for everything up until 1.8. They didn't need any additional reason to spec into them, let alone some event that rewards logi activities.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3599	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:10:00 - [60] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! I just make it up as I go along? Seriously, everyone knows what these events are for. That's why your waiting to nerf heavies 'more data' aka events. Haha alright, don't take my word for it...because I'd stand to gain so much from making this up Events really don't play a large part in data-gathering for balance purposes. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian




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