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Seeth Mensch
Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:19:00 -
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Shadow Archeus wrote:Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people
Troll much? Good logi fits are twice as expensive. If someone does well and tops the leaderboard that much, perhaps you should start spending you SP somewhere other than you are presently.
Assuming leaderboards are that important to you. I just like tracking my WP
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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TODDSTER024
Revive Repair Resupply
198
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:31:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:TODDSTER024 wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! "Double dose of Logi love" - nano hives, nanite injectors, repair tools, uplinks: double the output and half the consumption. I am sure he just forgot they Nerf Hammered all the equipment. And they are going to Nerf it again so a Logi won't be able to fit a Cloak Shield. Sweet. Unless you use it of course. Nope, no room for it. Wouldn't use even if I did have room. My equipment is nanite injector, nano hive, RT(in that order from left to right), the fourth slot on my proto fit is an active scanner. |
Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1236
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:40:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:The Headless Horseman wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:The Headless Horseman wrote:You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! I just make it up as I go along? Seriously, everyone knows what these events are for. That's why your waiting to nerf heavies 'more data' aka events. Haha alright, don't take my word for it...because I'd stand to gain so much from making this up Events really don't play a large part in data-gathering for balance purposes.
then why are they always the newest stuff that's just been introduced and OP as hell, that then gets nerfed after the event. It's not exactly hard to connect dots.
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
3603
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Posted - 2014.04.12 02:59:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote: then why are they always the newest stuff that's just been introduced and OP as hell, that then gets nerfed after the event. It's not exactly hard to connect dots.
Because we generally gift people some free variants of whatever's been introduced and want to incentivize people to give the new roles/weapons/elephants a go.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1245
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:07:00 -
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and then do the balance changes that the playerbase points out months in advance, almost to the letter. Almost like there's no internal testing at all, and we're just guinea pigs.
Dunno, it just seems weird that with internal testing, game breaking bugs, easily exploited glitches, and massive imbalance on weapons slips through on every patch...
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
26
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:47:00 -
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thats what your are some one might kick your a$$ might just be your own family karma is a *****. do say what every you want we want a refund or a respec and this flavor of the moth thing to DIE DOWN. look Im talking with people who are working on a better game that yours by all end. you bring out new weapons nerf them then nerfe them harder and not let anyone have a chance you start from 500 k sp and come talk to us. sorry for pulling a ted nudgent but this gets annoying corporation "CCP". |
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
26
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:48:00 -
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Seeth Mensch wrote:Shadow Archeus wrote:Shut up logi make top of the scoreboard every time anyway....asking for an event when you already makre the most isk and sp per match anyway....wtf people Troll much? Good logi fits are twice as expensive. If someone does well and tops the leaderboard that much, perhaps you should start spending you SP somewhere other than you are presently. Assuming leaderboards are that important to you. I just like tracking my WP
i hope that guy gets replaced or fire fired with a better honest person F*him! |
Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
428
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:09:00 -
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I dont know if anyone knows me or If anything I say is worth reading Id like to think it is .Id like to think that people have seen me for so long that they either hate me or like me yet they know I played Amarr logi since the suit was introduced and all the way until 1.8.Now getting past the hate part or those that are just generally negative to anything I say .Id like to speak my mind on the current state of Logi's and why I think any type of event for them UNFORTUNATELY is a waste of time.
CCP makes money off you buying Aurum/suits/weapons.They track all data from kill feeds.they've been doing this since closed beta.They do events to get you to skill new weps or suits and they're OP when first released to get the player base to buy boosters to skill them .they have kept damage and ranges out of our sight until release in the past , but we all know by now how this works and we call them FOTM's (flavor of the month)I agree with CCP changing the Drop suit command tree.I understand why they did it. To bring it more in line with how EVE is.In EVE if you fly a Caldari ship you cant put lasers on it, and vice versa in regaurds to AMarr ships cant have rails.I suspect CCP will do that some where down the line because this is how they operate.
Back to 1.8 being released I knew after skilling all the equipment, and I mean all of it to level 5 when CCP decided that only racials would get certain types. I knew what they were doing. Eventually you would need to skill all logi suits.I knew they would nerf all equipment so that all racial bonus's would calculate under the then current values and so thus nothing would change.I knew with all the memory leaks in the research socket that this new cloak would be garbage and act like garbage with the "****" frame rate of that socket. Ive lost half ehp to CR's from people who were still "predator" that were firing at me.
It was written on the walls. All logi's going side arm only. Taking the survive ability out of the suit because after all we heal people and revive people and see that effects the bottom line as far as Aurum sales. CCP has made us pay more in ISK buy making modules more expensive that the suit. Do you remember when they did that ? So then If you were carrying 4 equipment you were dying with alot more monetary loss. I hated the brick logi's dont get me wrong and that needed to change, but what CCP is out of their league on is the way FPS players break mechanics. I think they underestimated the creativity of the player base and how far some people will go to win..
Seeing the signs knowing that scout shotgun would be FOTM. Knowing how much my suit cost. Knowing the community. Knowing the player bases mentality . Knowing that people were already throwing RE's again which CCP said they fixed and at one point did and yet cant put a ******* wheel like a hack wheel when arming them that cloaked scrubs would be throwing them. Knowing that when CCP decided they would hear this and change it but way after people took serious hits to there KDR months down the road. So why skill it? why be that guy? Why just troll people ? with ***** tactics and broke features? Knowing how buggy the frame rate can be.
I walked away from logi.
Because why in the hell would I play it now? Amarr an armor race their logi doesn't carry or get bonus's to fixing armor? Hmm well that makes since.Why loose a suit that cost 220k to be shot by a broke animation?
The LOGI is dead and has and will be quietly put into a notch much like the miner in EVE. It'll just farm.
Now that I've been playing EVE for about a year now you start to see the similarities.Logi ships in EVE have no weapons.That doesnt work for me in a FPS. Now I still have all the equipment and this SP in Drop suit upgrades and can still do those Logi things. If they're needed. But they all got nerfed for me simultaneously as I no longer have a racial logi suit. Am I mad at CCP or jaded ? No I just now have a clear understanding of what time it is.DUST 514 is a grindfest and no piece of equipment/suit or weapon will be what it is today.We will all perpetually grind the same maps for eternity. CCP will release "shineys" and this will go on for however long this game is online.As this cycle continues it teaches me one thing. That in a genre where stats are supposed to mean something in this game stats mean nothing at all. as you are constantly inundated with the latest gimmick. I'd like to say I think this game has a point. That it has relevance but I cant tell you that. Because I dont know what it's point is anymore or who's driving the bus.
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
362
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:21:00 -
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I'd like to know if you could have a nightime event where most of the maps are in mostly darkness. You'd pick it from special contracts and get points for playing.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance.
422
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:36:00 -
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I will get 30-40 kills in a game and still come in third because the amount of warpoints logis can rack up.
Logis get love every game when used as intended. Their massive warpoints net them the most isk payout per game.
A logi will get 60 points for a dirty needle revive yet I only get 50 wp for kill unless I get headshot. This game is all about killing, so kills should be worth more wp than they are.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
1234
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:03:00 -
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i have been posting for months about logi events and it all fell on deaf ears. instead every month we get a new slayer events and people complain that logis go around killing people. we cannot win
I will logi the s* out of you
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1211
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:08:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote: Because we generally gift people some free variants of whatever's been introduced and want to incentivize people to give the new roles/weapons/elephants a go.
When are we getting those war elephants in-game anyway?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Aleph Rynedee
Science For Death
77
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:09:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:A logi will get 60 points for a dirty needle revive yet I only get 50 wp for kill unless I get headshot. This game is all about killing, so kills should be worth more wp than they are.
As a logi I can see the sense in this line of reasoning, however I'm saving the team a clone (a limited resource in every engagement). You get 50 killing a red, I get 60 for saving the team a clone (and you ISK and/or AUR, plus the time to reengage the reds). While this game may focus on the killing of cranberries it's really about teamwork with the team in general and specifically within the squad. |
dreth longbow
Bank of DUST 514
45
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:30:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:The Headless Horseman wrote:You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions! I agree that events are stresstests. I really like the rewards and that's why I put up with them (I would probably do anything for more SP) but damn: These kill events really get to me. Because they add a new level of frustration. A Kill Assist suddenly isn't something I don't care about anymore. Suddenly a Kill Assist becomes a defeat. And a few hundred kills may not seem much when you can do them with equipment of your choice, but during these events the weapon or suit you have to use is predetermined. To get the 375 kills for the last event I blew about 10 - 15 million ISK. And I only used advanced gear. I probably died at least 500 times. It also rewards being egoistic: Running in front of your teammates to make sure they can't hit a target. Trying your hardest to steal kills. During these events you become a liability for your squad an your team. I think this has to change. Events like kill events should be community events as long as we only have PvP. Of course you don't have to be as generous as you were during the last community event (I won't stop you, but giving every player 2 - 3 Million SP would probably be overkill). But something like "For every kill done over the weekend with Suit X / Weapon Y every player gets 100SP, Boosters do not apply, capped at Z SP" would be fine. This is how I would want to see events play out. It doesn't take away from the teamplay and it also doesn't add a new rage factor to the game. Quite contrary: Should you get killed with a mentioned weapon you can think "Well, at least I contributed to the event in some way!" These events which force you personally to achieve a certain amount of kills with a certain equipment are something you can reintroduce when we have PvE. Because PvE I then could always do alone or with some friends. Much less of a rage factor.
Have not experienced your problem of stolen kills, maybe you should run solo during these events if you are having problems with teammates.
CCP needs to run high sp events to make up for their incompetent programmers and reward players for putting up with all the bugs or they will lose player base.
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dreth longbow
Bank of DUST 514
45
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:37:00 -
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Evicer wrote:I dont know if anyone knows me or If anything I say is worth reading Id like to think it is .Id like to think that people have seen me for so long that they either hate me or like me yet they know I played Amarr logi since the suit was introduced and all the way until 1.8.Now getting past the hate part or those that are just generally negative to anything I say .Id like to speak my mind on the current state of Logi's and why I think any type of event for them UNFORTUNATELY is a waste of time. CCP makes money off you buying Aurum/suits/weapons.They track all data from kill feeds.they've been doing this since closed beta.They do events to get you to skill new weps or suits and they're OP when first released to get the player base to buy boosters to skill them .they have kept damage and ranges out of our sight until release in the past , but we all know by now how this works and we call them FOTM's (flavor of the month)I agree with CCP changing the Drop suit command tree.I understand why they did it. To bring it more in line with how EVE is.In EVE if you fly a Caldari ship you cant put lasers on it, and vice versa in regards to Amarr ships cant have rails.I suspect CCP will do that some where down the line because this is how they operate. Back to 1.8 being released I knew after skilling all the equipment, and I mean all of it to level 5 when CCP decided that only racials would get certain types. I knew what they were doing. Eventually you would need to skill all logi suits.I knew they would nerf all equipment so that all racial bonus's would calculate under the then current values and so thus nothing would change.I knew with all the memory leaks in the research socket that this new cloak would be garbage and act like garbage with the "****" frame rate of that socket. Ive lost half ehp to CR's from people who were still "predator" that were firing at me. It was written on the walls. All logi's going side arm only. Taking the survive ability out of the suit because after all we heal people and revive people and see that effects the bottom line as far as Aurum sales. CCP has made us pay more in ISK by making modules more expensive tha the suit. Do you remember when they did that ? So then If you were carrying 4 equipment you were dying with alot more monetary loss. I hated the brick logi's dont get me wrong and that needed to change, but what CCP is out of their league on is the way FPS players break mechanics. I think they underestimated the creativity of the player base and how far some people will go to win.. Seeing the signs knowing that scout shotgun would be FOTM. Knowing how much my suit cost. Knowing the community. Knowing the player bases mentality . Knowing that people were already throwing RE's again which CCP said they fixed and at one point did and yet cant put a ******* wheel like a hack wheel when arming them. That cloaked scrubs would be throwing them. Knowing that when CCP decided they would hear this and change it but way after people took serious hits to there KDR months down the road. So why skill it ? Why be that guy ? Why just troll people ? With ***** tactics and broke features ? Not my style. Knowing how buggy the frame rate can be. I walked away from logi. Because why in the hell would I play it now? Amarr an armor race their logi doesn't carry or get bonus's to fixing armor? Hmm well that makes sense. Why loose a suit that cost 220k to be shot by a broke animation? The LOGI is dead and has and will be quietly put into a notch much like the miner in EVE. It'll just farm. Now that I've been playing EVE for about a year now you start to see the similarities.Logi ships in EVE have no weapons.That doesnt work for me in a FPS. Now I still have all the equipment and this SP in Drop suit upgrades and can still do those Logi things. If they're needed. But they all got nerfed for me simultaneously as I no longer have a racial logi suit. Am I mad at CCP or jaded ? No I just now have a clear understanding of what time it is.DUST 514 is a grindfest and no piece of equipment/suit or weapon will be what it is today.We will all perpetually grind the same maps for eternity. CCP will release "shineys" and this will go on for however long this game is online.As this cycle continues it teaches me one thing. That in a genre where stats are supposed to mean something in this game stats mean nothing at all. as you are constantly inundated with the latest gimmick. I'd like to say I think this game has a point. That it has relevance but I cant tell you that. Because I dont know what it's point is anymore or who's driving the bus.
WoW! Long wall of text, but thought out. do not agree with everything, but here plus1
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2321
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:54:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote: Honestly, we would love to run these events more frequently. There is a serious load on the dev team whenever they're made though and we're trying to prioritise things effectively right now.
For instance, it shocked me to see just how much work went in to just creating custom sky-boxes, let alone the maps etc!
The Titan wreck could still be used now. Have an EVE event like Caladri Navy Manhunt except have the capital ships be a few Titans over the planets we do battles on. When the Titan is destroyed in EVE have it crash into the planet and let us fight with it in the background. The asset wouln't be a one time thing, it would connect EVE and DUST more and it would be fun for both games. Do this once every few months and we would be happy, seeing that Titan jutting out of the ground was awesome and there is no reason to only use that skybox one time.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1896
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:12:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:The Headless Horseman wrote:You better hope they KEEP ignoring logi's. The so called 'events' are actually stress tests. They go by total kills and nerf/buff acordingly. Totally inaccurate...not sure where you pulled this information from :) I'm always up for hearing Event suggestions!
look its ccp's new talking head!
and just like the old ones its just filled with hot air
do you all really need us to suggest a logi event? you all never bring any of our suggestions to fruition nor should you need to be reminded to include ALL the roles your company created in your lol events....
this game makes me sad....
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