Agreed...I don't tank my scout, and I go 10/0 in FW. That said, FW players are more often oblivious than Pubs.

But even on my Cal scout, I can't pick up anyone with my precision and amplifiers modules. It's only after I have visual contact that they appear on radar...or am I not knowing something here

GalScout has a higher armour ceiling than Amarr Assault.

...hmmm...2 advanced precision amps and ill pick up everything except the ninja purist gallente with a 150k isk suit.

The thing is, we shouldn't FORCE people not to run brick-tanked, but as it stands a galscout can brick tank and still be faster than an Assault, with a lower scan profile and a cloa, whole lot of positives, no negative.

The Caldari and Gallente are for sure the biggest slayer-scouts because of their large fitting capacity.

The best solution to this is to reduce their base HP, but also bring AM and MN scout suit PG/CPU up.

Now, scout suits can still tank themselves, but it will take much more to get even close to what it used to be.

Personally, a scout with over 300 EHP is a problem and CCP should discourage, not ban, this tactic.

That is to say that an assault suit fit for EHP and DPS will be far more effective than a scout suit, regardless of the cloak.

GA and CA scouts, as they are, should be used as a model for how assault suits should be.

They are fast and have excellent regen. Perhaps changing assault suit bonuses would be the answer: (5%/lvl): CA - shield extender efficacy, GA - repper efficacy, AM - plate efficacy, MN - DMG mod efficacy

Then a change to MN and AM scout bonuses: MN - kinkat and hacking bonus, AM - CarReg and stamina regen bonus

Increase speed penalty on plates.

Raise scan range on assault suits to 14m.

Lower scan precision on assault suits by 3 points.

Ok, the 2nd and 3rd points have nothing to do with bricked tanked scout.

But that's the thing- the super-tanky-scout issue is really limited to just the Gal scout. You would think CCP would have learned that giving 3 hp/s intrinsic rep + 4 low slots is going to be an imbalanced armor tanker after the logi fiasco, but no.

My shield-bricked Ck.0 Cal scout (4x comp shield ex, 2x enh range amp) is 440/80- tanky on the scout scale, but still much less total HP than Cal Assaults, less EHP than the armor of some MLT Gal Mediums, and 5 less EHP than a all-basic-module tanked G-1 gal scout. Don't lump me in and punish me with the armor brickers.

Oh yes! Let's completely screw over the already hardly used Gal Logi. If I wanted to sprint at five meters a seconds I'd go into a heavy suit.

Wait, what about Amarr scouts?

Also, every Caldari scout ive seen tanks shield and throws a plate or two on their lows, that brigs them up to 440/160-240.

There are maybe 2 guys I know who don't brick tank scouts.

Please tell me how this screws over a GalLogi? Because of scanners? Is that what you mean?

But that's the thing- the super-tanky-scout issue is really limited to just the Gal scout. You would think CCP would have learned that giving 3 hp/s intrinsic rep + 4 low slots is going to be an imbalanced armor tanker after the logi fiasco, but no.

My shield-bricked Ck.0 Cal scout (4x comp shield ex, 2x enh range amp) is 440/80- tanky on the scout scale, but still much less total HP than Cal Assaults, less EHP than the armor of some MLT Gal Mediums, and 5 less EHP than a all-basic-module tanked G-1 gal scout. Don't lump me in and punish me with the armor brickers.

No intrinsic reps makes the Amarr a much less scary armor tanker. Either you can whittle them down due to 0 regen and low speed, or they automatically have less EHP than the Gal scout- they're simply blatantly worse armor tankers than the Gal scout.

It could be made up slightly with a complex reactive to be fair, not to mention the built in stamina bonus lets them run further and recover faster.

Same slot layout + high base armor, don't see how the amarr has a lower ceiling.

The speed penalty. My GalLogi already runs at six meters a seconds. If there was a higher speed penalty to the armor plates I'd be going at about five meters a sec.

-Scans (range and precision enhancers)
-Damps
-Biotics
-Cloaks

These are the things that scouts should gravitate too, not damage mods (if anyone uses them anymore) and tank modules.

Scout suits need to be changed so that running tank modules is far less beneficial than running traditional 'scout' modules.

The Caldari and Gallente are for sure the biggest slayer-scouts because of their large fitting capacity.

The best solution to this is to reduce their base HP, but also bring AM and MN scout suit PG/CPU up.

Now, scout suits can still tank themselves, but it will take much more to get even close to what it used to be.

Personally, a scout with over 300 EHP is a problem and CCP should discourage, not ban, this tactic.

That is to say that an assault suit fit for EHP and DPS will be far more effective than a scout suit, regardless of the cloak.

GA and CA scouts, as they are, should be used as a model for how assault suits should be.

They are fast and have excellent regen. Perhaps changing assault suit bonuses would be the answer: (5%/lvl): CA - shield extender efficacy, GA - repper efficacy, AM - plate efficacy, MN - DMG mod efficacy

Then a change to MN and AM scout bonuses: MN - kinkat and hacking bonus, AM - CarReg and stamina regen bonus

@Awry, I agree in the bricked tank scout category that the Amarr scout got boned, and also that he should have something that sets him apart from the GalScout(maybe a bonus extenders or another scout related module)

But the Gal Scout needs the built in reps to counter it's low shield regain ability. In theory, it works, till you start stacking plates.

Then you get the same problem Logis had, but to say that any other scout cant abuse plates and extenders is just singling out the GalScout. Plates are a problem and they need to be balanced just for the simple fact that every suit throws a few plates on their lows with no repercussions.