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Auris Lionesse wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

WellGÇª

Rail tech: longest range, highest damage, slow rof; everything seems good to me

Blaster: short range, high dps; this is where I think it's wrong, at least with the AR. Before the racial variants, the AR was supposed to be the all-in-one rifle to fill the gaps. Now, we have long range RR, med range armor CR and shield ScR, but the AR also goes in the med range slot with its current stats. I think the AR needs to be the CQB king of the rifles, high DPS up close, but give it significant falloff damage and a low max range.

PlC isn't a long range weapon. Ion pistol is crap because of the charge/seize mechanic (if seizes after a half charge -___- ) but functionally I think it's fine.

Laser: med range, strong to shield/weak to armor, working as intended I guess.

Projectile: I see it as the generic, "cover all your bases" weapon. Easy to fit, decent at killing in most cases, but never really superior in everything, except up close currently, though I hope the blaster gets a change in that direction.

i think he meant weapons that perform or feel like they belong to another race.
knives are caldari but min have the fast playstyle that compliments them and they even get a bonus for them.
doesnt make sense for them to be caldari skinned and named when caldari are slow long range shield tanks.
why would they ever need a knife.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5783	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:56:00 - [1] - Quote I'm starting to wonder why the few weapons dubbed as gallente/caldari/matar/amarr in the game don't really seem.....well like their race. The plasma cannon and ion pistol are the farthest thing from what I would see as gallente by far, as much as I love my plasma cannon the low ammo, slow projectile, long range weapon doesn't make me go 'hey it must be gallente'. Scrambler pistol seems more gallente then the ion in it's workings. Isn't the smg supposed to be burst as a base, not as an alternative? Just a few things that nagg at the back of my head. Just a thought. Post yours below. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2704	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:11:00 - [2] - Quote Don't you dare even think of my ScP as.... Gallente it is the slayer of scum, the savoir of the righteous, it's my pistol. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1257	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:12:00 - [3] - Quote There's a burst SMG!? I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5783	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:21:00 - [4] - Quote The Infected One wrote: There's a burst SMG!? It was ment to be added in 1.8, to replace the assault, but never deployed. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5789	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:51:00 - [5] - Quote bump Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1088	Posted - 2014.04.06 03:54:00 - [6] - Quote The PLC is a troll weapon, not race specific. You don't see me because I am your blindspot Amateur Proficiency XCV Minmatar In-Game and Out, You'd be surprised
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1786	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:19:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm starting to wonder why the few weapons dubbed as gallente/caldari/matar/amarr in the game don't really seem.....well like their race. The plasma cannon and ion pistol are the farthest thing from what I would see as gallente by far, as much as I love my plasma cannon the low ammo, slow projectile, long range weapon doesn't make me go 'hey it must be gallente'. Scrambler pistol seems more gallente then the ion in it's workings. Isn't the smg supposed to be burst as a base, not as an alternative? Just a few things that nagg at the back of my head. Just a thought. Post yours below. Smg is a full auto weapon by definition. However, yeah I'm wondering why the scram pistol wasn't changed to allow that mechanic to go to the ion. Swarm should be the plasma cannon mechanic and would then be a long range targeting, travel time based, high damage, single shot weapon. Plasma would be the CQ multi shot, low damage weapon. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Cogadh Draco WarRavens League of Infamy 13	Posted - 2014.04.06 04:49:00 - [8] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm starting to wonder why the few weapons dubbed as gallente/caldari/matar/amarr in the game don't really seem.....well like their race. The plasma cannon and ion pistol are the farthest thing from what I would see as gallente by far, as much as I love my plasma cannon the low ammo, slow projectile, long range weapon doesn't make me go 'hey it must be gallente'. Scrambler pistol seems more gallente then the ion in it's workings. Isn't the smg supposed to be burst as a base, not as an alternative? Just a few things that nagg at the back of my head. Just a thought. Post yours below. Smg is a full auto weapon by definition. However, yeah I'm wondering why the scram pistol wasn't changed to allow that mechanic to go to the ion. Swarm should be the plasma cannon mechanic and would then be a long range targeting, travel time based, high damage, single shot weapon. Plasma would be the CQ multi shot, low damage weapon. Well I personally think that the lock-on range of the swarms shoulda been kept as it was, but get faster projectile speed in exchange for the current damage switch-a-roo for armor damage. Plasma cannons could do with higher ammo cap and faster reload I think.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5818	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:43:00 - [9] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: The PLC is a troll weapon, not race specific. hmm.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1633	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:51:00 - [10] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm starting to wonder why the few weapons dubbed as gallente/caldari/matar/amarr in the game don't really seem.....well like their race. The plasma cannon and ion pistol are the farthest thing from what I would see as gallente by far, as much as I love my plasma cannon the low ammo, slow projectile, long range weapon doesn't make me go 'hey it must be gallente'. Scrambler pistol seems more gallente then the ion in it's workings. Isn't the smg supposed to be burst as a base, not as an alternative? Just a few things that nagg at the back of my head. Just a thought. Post yours below. Well I originally had the same thoughts for the sidearms but then I argued that it was for the better. Infantry need some type of versatility so they aren't completely screwed and I wouldn't imagine the factions to simply allow for such a weakness to occur. Like the Gallente faction's primary weapon is the AR with it's super fast RoF but their secondary is the versatile Ion Pistol. They compliment each other. A better example is the charged shot, limited fire, Scrambler Rifle and it's companion the quick and easy Scrambler Pistol. Plasma Cannon I can deal with because it's supposed to be a AV weapon(but sucks). "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12128	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: The Infected One wrote: There's a burst SMG!? It was ment to be added in 1.8, to replace the assault, but never deployed. This word 'meant' you use here. I don't think that's quite the correct term. It turned up in one chart as a side thing. That does not mean it was 'meant' to be added in 1.8. We've had this many, many times before. STD ASCRs, for instance. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 5858	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:47:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: The Infected One wrote: There's a burst SMG!? It was ment to be added in 1.8, to replace the assault, but never deployed. This word 'meant' you use here. I don't think that's quite the correct term. It turned up in one chart as a side thing. That does not mean it was 'meant' to be added in 1.8. We've had this many, many times before. STD ASCRs, for instance. Fair enough, when ya wrong ya wrong right? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 726	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:56:00 - [13] - Quote yes theres alot of weapon problems. hybrids are supposed to be shared between caldari and gallente scrambler pistol looks like it was designed with the gallente assault rifle minmatar have knife bonuses and knifes are a caldari weapon minmatar have a rocket pistol which logically should be caldari. caldari only have 1 missile weapon for infantry (LUL WUT) Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1395	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:00:00 - [14] - Quote WellGÇª Rail tech: longest range, highest damage, slow rof; everything seems good to me Blaster: short range, high dps; this is where I think it's wrong, at least with the AR. Before the racial variants, the AR was supposed to be the all-in-one rifle to fill the gaps. Now, we have long range RR, med range armor CR and shield ScR, but the AR also goes in the med range slot with its current stats. I think the AR needs to be the CQB king of the rifles, high DPS up close, but give it significant falloff damage and a low max range. PlC isn't a long range weapon. Ion pistol is crap because of the charge/seize mechanic (if seizes after a half charge -___- ) but functionally I think it's fine. Laser: med range, strong to shield/weak to armor, working as intended I guess. Projectile: I see it as the generic, "cover all your bases" weapon. Easy to fit, decent at killing in most cases, but never really superior in everything, except up close currently, though I hope the blaster gets a change in that direction. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 726	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:07:00 - [15] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: WellGÇª Rail tech: longest range, highest damage, slow rof; everything seems good to me Blaster: short range, high dps; this is where I think it's wrong, at least with the AR. Before the racial variants, the AR was supposed to be the all-in-one rifle to fill the gaps. Now, we have long range RR, med range armor CR and shield ScR, but the AR also goes in the med range slot with its current stats. I think the AR needs to be the CQB king of the rifles, high DPS up close, but give it significant falloff damage and a low max range. PlC isn't a long range weapon. Ion pistol is crap because of the charge/seize mechanic (if seizes after a half charge -___- ) but functionally I think it's fine. Laser: med range, strong to shield/weak to armor, working as intended I guess. Projectile: I see it as the generic, "cover all your bases" weapon. Easy to fit, decent at killing in most cases, but never really superior in everything, except up close currently, though I hope the blaster gets a change in that direction. i think he meant weapons that perform or feel like they belong to another race. knives are caldari but min have the fast playstyle that compliments them and they even get a bonus for them. doesnt make sense for them to be caldari skinned and named when caldari are slow long range shield tanks. why would they ever need a knife. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5104	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:11:00 - [16] - Quote Ion and PC are both extremely effective in CQC, which the Gallante love. Scrambler Pistol is great at mid range, that's Amarr territory. And about the SMG, not all weapons have to fit the stereotypical Gallante:Assault, Amarr:Tactical, Caldari:Breach, Minmatar:Burst. If they did then the HMG would be burst, the Sniper Rifle would shoot extremely slow, the shotgun would be full auto, the Laser Rifle and Scrambler Pistol would have to charge before firing, plus the MD and Flaylock would also be burst. So no, I think the SMG should be full auto by default. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 281	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:20:00 - [17] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: WellGÇª Rail tech: longest range, highest damage, slow rof; everything seems good to me Blaster: short range, high dps; this is where I think it's wrong, at least with the AR. Before the racial variants, the AR was supposed to be the all-in-one rifle to fill the gaps. Now, we have long range RR, med range armor CR and shield ScR, but the AR also goes in the med range slot with its current stats. I think the AR needs to be the CQB king of the rifles, high DPS up close, but give it significant falloff damage and a low max range. PlC isn't a long range weapon. Ion pistol is crap because of the charge/seize mechanic (if seizes after a half charge -___- ) but functionally I think it's fine. Laser: med range, strong to shield/weak to armor, working as intended I guess. Projectile: I see it as the generic, "cover all your bases" weapon. Easy to fit, decent at killing in most cases, but never really superior in everything, except up close currently, though I hope the blaster gets a change in that direction. Wait, on the Rail tech partGÇªwhy does the Rail Rifle (a Breach variant) have greater RPM than the breach AR? That doesn't make sense, and a lower rate of fire would cut down on the recoil of the weapon (which causes some trouble at range). I'm not saying it isn't much more balanced after 1.8, but I would prefer it if they had cut the RoF down to just under the Breach AR to cut back on the DPS rather than a simple damage nerf. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 433	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:31:00 - [18] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: WellGÇª Rail tech: longest range, highest damage, slow rof; everything seems good to me Blaster: short range, high dps; this is where I think it's wrong, at least with the AR. Before the racial variants, the AR was supposed to be the all-in-one rifle to fill the gaps. Now, we have long range RR, med range armor CR and shield ScR, but the AR also goes in the med range slot with its current stats. I think the AR needs to be the CQB king of the rifles, high DPS up close, but give it significant falloff damage and a low max range. PlC isn't a long range weapon. Ion pistol is crap because of the charge/seize mechanic (if seizes after a half charge -___- ) but functionally I think it's fine. Laser: med range, strong to shield/weak to armor, working as intended I guess. Projectile: I see it as the generic, "cover all your bases" weapon. Easy to fit, decent at killing in most cases, but never really superior in everything, except up close currently, though I hope the blaster gets a change in that direction. i think he meant weapons that perform or feel like they belong to another race. knives are caldari but min have the fast playstyle that compliments them and they even get a bonus for them. doesnt make sense for them to be caldari skinned and named when caldari are slow long range shield tanks. why would they ever need a knife. Pretty sure Caldari isn't slow... They are shield based after all. But yes, the weapons do seem jumbled up. NK-should be gallente cuz CQC, high alpha weapon Ion-seems like a mini scram rifle, but thats fine, as the high RoF is the assault side of Gallente PLC-fine where it is lore-wise, good at CQC MD-ok since it is artillery like Flaylolck- should be Cal IMO Rest are OK QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe


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