DUST Search - A call to forge gunners.

Harpyja wrote:

SALH wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo.

Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game.

Once they fix the forge gun. Then post this message.OK?

Knowing CCP, they might do a pre-emptive nerf to vehicles or a buff to the forge gun without having accurate statistics. Better now and get accurate statistics than wait for who knows how long.

At least that's what happened back in beta. People were only using militia and standard AV, advanced was uncommon, and prototype was rare. People cried tanks were OP and so CCP nerfed tanks and buffed AV. Guess what; once people finally got to prototype AV, they were easily soloing tanks all the time. And this is what we had throughout Uprising. Chromosome was probably the best balance, but people just didn't use advanced and proto AV as much.

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Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1139	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:53:00 - [1] - Quote I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1173	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:57:00 - [2] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. forge is completely broken so you won't get any volunteers I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:03:00 - [3] - Quote I could do it, but not till after monday. I am busy this weekend.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1139	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:11:00 - [4] - Quote Awesome. Also, love your name. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 375	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:16:00 - [5] - Quote I thought my Madrugar was pretty reppy, but a Gastun's Forge Gun can out-DPS the reps. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:18:00 - [6] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Awesome. Also, love your name. Ok i will send you a in game message after monday.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4618	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:20:00 - [7] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. forge is completely broken so you won't get any volunteers Only the skill is broken, and that's only for about a minute after spawning. I'm from the weird side of the internet
DJINN Nukem Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 569	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:21:00 - [8] - Quote msg me In game, Prof 5, with a Neo proto Cal Hvy ( 4 complex damage mods ) Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 147	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:26:00 - [9] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Right now Forge guns misfire a lot due to an un-addressed 1.8 bug, my ishokune assault forge misfires every other shot so whatever estimates you get right now are not going to be accurate. Just FYI.
SALH Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:26:00 - [10] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Once they fix the forge gun. Then post this message.OK?

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1501	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:34:00 - [11] - Quote SALH wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Once they fix the forge gun. Then post this message.OK? Knowing CCP, they might do a pre-emptive nerf to vehicles or a buff to the forge gun without having accurate statistics. Better now and get accurate statistics than wait for who knows how long. At least that's what happened back in beta. People were only using militia and standard AV, advanced was uncommon, and prototype was rare. People cried tanks were OP and so CCP nerfed tanks and buffed AV. Guess what; once people finally got to prototype AV, they were easily soloing tanks all the time. And this is what we had throughout Uprising. Chromosome was probably the best balance, but people just didn't use advanced and proto AV as much. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 147	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:39:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: SALH wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Once they fix the forge gun. Then post this message.OK? Knowing CCP, they might do a pre-emptive nerf to vehicles or a buff to the forge gun without having accurate statistics. Better now and get accurate statistics than wait for who knows how long. At least that's what happened back in beta. People were only using militia and standard AV, advanced was uncommon, and prototype was rare. People cried tanks were OP and so CCP nerfed tanks and buffed AV. Guess what; once people finally got to prototype AV, they were easily soloing tanks all the time. And this is what we had throughout Uprising. Chromosome was probably the best balance, but people just didn't use advanced and proto AV as much. He's not talking about balance. The Forge Gun as of 1.8 misfires every other shot on the Assault and Breach variants. The normal only misfires about every 4 shots but it's not the variant that is typically used for Tanking busting. Getting any Time sensitive observations will be pointless because the gun is currently glitched. If it's not time sensitive, you can just pull the data on the weapons and tanks and do mathematical comparisons. There's no point to experimenting with a Forge/Tank relation right now with Forge Guns being glitched. To elaborate on Misfire: It's like how when uprising first hit, the forge gun charges up and has the blast from the end of the Forge gun, but no ammo is used and no rail blast comes out of the gun. Edit: I myself rarely tank bust now just because nothing is more annoying then when you get a Tank on fire and my assault decides to misfire twice in a row letting them get away.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1139	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:47:00 - [13] - Quote Appreciation to those volunteering. I'll send messages in game after I get some PC training in. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 683	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:50:00 - [14] - Quote Proto Forgers on Cal.Heavy I can bring out a Gastun too. EU.TImezone Cal.Heavy-Min.Heavy-Amarr.Heavy Believe in the FORGE, young padawans SoloDoloreSuCharlie
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 147	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:53:00 - [15] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Appreciation to those volunteering. I'll send messages in game after I get some PC training in. Sure waste your time data mining something that will change in 1.9/a hotfix/when they can be arsed to fix a glitch.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:02:00 - [16] - Quote Jastad wrote: Proto Forgers on Cal.Heavy I can bring out a Gastun too. EU.TImezone Just WOW. You are gonna pull out a broken Gaston forge and stand in front of an enemy tank? You got some brass balls. I don't think the tank would kill you but the others will. There are not many ways to do this safely. Who ever does it better bring back up. Id put re's on tank as a fail safe. 'You shoot, you die' Signed, Sealed, Delivered
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1406	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:12:00 - [17] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. forge is completely broken so you won't get any volunteers That ^
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 745	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote +1 to OP for effort. Subscribing to thread to see how it turns out. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 705	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:26:00 - [19] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I need a forge gunner to run some testing against my tank. I want someone with prof 5 and proto modules. I want the most possible forge damage against my highest repping tank under a number of situations. The tests will be video recorded and posted to the forums to see if, and if so under what conditions, a maxed out forge gun can kill a repper tank solo. Anyone who wishes to help, please message me in game. Feel free to message "Nikka Witagun" or me after 5 p.m. EST, would be happy to help. Maxed Forge skill tree, PC forger. Save the testing, it takes 3 critical hits in a row, followed by 1 more shot if you do not have the forge glitch. If you do not critical hit, it takes about 3 clips of connecting 85% of the time. The highest DPS forge will win (IAFG over Breach) due to the charge time vs rep time. Best bet as a forger is to hope and pray that another form of AV can land 2 volleys, or constant barrage from a blaster will allow you to burn a tank in 5-6 shots anywhere. These numbers only apply to the triple repped maddy. Everything else can burn pretty easily unless its a skilled tanker that doesn't stop/get hung up and have to reverse. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
Xin Tiger Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 13	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:56:00 - [20] - Quote You can't kill a repper tank with a proto forge gun solo, end of tests .....

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1360	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:35:00 - [21] - Quote There's this wonderful new technique called math that can answer this without you actually doing it. Considering you're wanting optimal conditions, it shouldn't be a problem. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 317	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:59:00 - [22] - Quote how about you just do the math oh wait I already did you can't kill them (if they have max possible reps going) Its totally broken
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 50	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:00:00 - [23] - Quote A triple rep madrugar with 400+ rep a second will withstand any single forge gun. They will be utterly destroyed by railguns and missiles of other tanks, but are slightly immune to blasters (depends on the enemies fit).
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 888	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:08:00 - [24] - Quote I am glad the forge misfires. It should considering it has no barrel. 1.8 because nothing says fun like getting shotgunned in the back. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 458	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:13:00 - [25] - Quote DJINN Nukem wrote: msg me In game, Prof 5, with a Neo proto Cal Hvy ( 4 complex damage mods ) Why 4 damage mods? Is the .6125% worth it? Because, that's why.
Darrius Smithmage PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 6	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:14:00 - [26] - Quote You could have ask me :P So what if I roleplay calderi soldier for life! now stfu and gun for my lav.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 458	Posted - 2014.04.10 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: There's this wonderful new technique called math that can answer this without you actually doing it. Considering you're wanting optimal conditions, it shouldn't be a problem. I think testing what should be against what is, is a good idea. It is easy to find the theoretical answer, but you don't know if it is accurate without actually doing it. Because, that's why.
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 726	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:02:00 - [28] - Quote The Forge Gun itself isn't broken. It's the charge time reduction bugging out due to the skill not applying right when you spawn. Give it a bit to kick in, and it'll fire like normal. And to those saying you can't out DPS an Armor Rep stacker, Tanks have this little thing called a weak spot. Get in an LAV and flank the tank. Take the long way around to make sure it doesn't see you and get out of the LAV some distance away so it doesn't hear the LAV and get scared and flee because it'll probably think that you're a JLAV. The Forge has a 300m range, use it to your advantage. If you can't hit the weak spot from long distance well you just need to learn how to aim. Breach is good for one shotting tanks. As long as they have no Plates or Extenders and their Hardener is off, you will one-shot them. Although recently I've noticed lots of tanks run at least one Plate/Extender more often than not, so the one-shot potential isn't as common, but you can still easily two-shot them. Assault is also good, you won't be one-shotting anything, but it's still effective and can apply damage faster. You just have to aim more shots. A single Forge Gunner can take out most tanks with this tactic. Armor Reps are the most troublesome, but still manageable. Bring another Forger along or even a Swarmer(or even a PLC or Mass Driver) and the only tanks that'll maybe survive are the ones that nitro away at the first sign of danger. I know, you actually have to use some amount of effort and tactics to solo a tank instead of just firing in it's general direction and expecting to win. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 746	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:53:00 - [29] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: wonderful new technique called math wonderful new technique called field testing DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 746	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:54:00 - [30] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: The Forge Gun itself isn't broken. It's the charge time reduction bugging out due to the skill not applying right when you spawn I have experienced Forge Gun misfires even after my skills kick in (when I visually see that my health goes up to 100%.) DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.



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