AUR items can't be "made" by players.
AUR items can ONLY be bought through the AUR market OR the player marketplace.
AUR items don't give players anything they can't get with ISK in the NPC marketplace.

In order to inject more AUR items into the market when they've been used and destroyed, someone has to give CCP more money.

As such, AUR items won't be unfair to the player market, instead they will be the basis on which the player market is driven.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at, OP.

AUR circumvents the player market in the same way that ISK can. Essentially you're saying that the NPC market will be unfair to the player market? I mean, ISK gear has a maximum price; you can't go over that because of the NPC market.

AUR and LP gear lets us actually use the player market. It's the only avenue, really, where fortunes can be made. I suppose BPOs fall into that category too, but they're in far shorter supply i.e. not theoretically infinite.

I think boosters will be the number 1 selling thing that every 1 wants. Maybe a 30 day booster for something like 50~80 mil ISK? Well some 1 will figure out AUR-ISK conversion rate.

Which is the basis of PLEX's in EVE.

However, does that work that well in DUST as it does in EVE? PLEX's can originally only be gotten through CCP and a secondary Player Market. If I buy a PLEX from CCP, I am not depriving a producer of goods a sale. In DUST, if I buy AUR gear from CCP, I AM depriving a producer of goods a sale. It is the same thing as a BPO really except that it would cost some more real life cash.

Certainly, yes. Boosters will be the PLEX of DUST; the basis of our economy. My guess is that since a 30 day pack of boosters is 28,000 AUR (14 dollars), the price of both will be around the same price as a PLEX which was around 600 million last I checked. That is only if there is complete DUST-EVE market integration because 600 million would take the average DUST player ages to build up.

I think that would be a problem if Aurum items had the same stats as their ISK counterparts. The fact is, since Aurum items can be used sooner, that will make them more expensive than their ISK variant and since everything will be based on ISK costs, only those who would benefit from the early access to the item would buy it. That is also a limiter. Once someone gets enough SP to use the ISK variant, they'll move on to the real one.

I get your point now.

Interesting concern.

Exactly. Just a hypothetical problem that could happen by people that have more dollars than sense.

Hello everyone. The Player Market is something that everyone is hyped up about, more so than usual. The looming threat of FanFest has everyone clamoring to try to sell/buy BPO's, planning what they are going to do, and more horrifically who is going to create the first monopoly on the most used weapon, dropsuit, and vehicle to make a mountain of isk that Scrooge McDuck would be envious of. Player Market will be cool and will certainly give DUST back a unique selling point with the notion that everything on the field was built by a player, bought by a player, and destroyed by a player. But there is an interesting aspect that I want to bring up; micro-transactions.

Everyone "knows" why BPO were shot in the face; they are just free money. People are even suggesting that BPO's turn into actual EVE BPO's because of the free lunch thing (I don't mean to discuss that here). That got me thinking; if a BPO is unfair and damaging to the market, does that mean that any AUR gear will be damaging to the market?

AUR gear exists because CCP needs to make money off of DUST. You can buy a lot of AUR to get boosters or a little bit to get equipment that requires less SP. Great for trying stuff out, so CCP makes money. Typical Free to Play micro-transactions. But like a BPO, that AUR dropsuit doesn't stimulate the economy of DUST/EVE. Someone with deep pockets could completely bypass the Player Market, which is why BPO's are no longer able to be bought.

"AUR gear should be able to be sold though, just like PLEX's in EVE." This is true but PLEX's only give money to CCP rather than deprive another person of money. PLEX's are, literally, the Gold/GDP Standard of EVE but if I buy 15 of them from CCP and use them, I am not skipping the market because even if I never had to buy a PLEX again, I would still have to buy ships, clones, weapons and ammo, etc. If I sell the PLEX, the market moves as normal. With AUR dropsuits and equipment, if I sell them the market moves as normal BUT that item replaces another item that was made by a player. If I use the AUR gear, I am skipping the market entirely.

So will AUR be unfair to the Player Market? Just a thought I had; I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

That is only assuming that the person decides to buy it from a player or does actually move on. Allow me to pose a hypothetical person. We will call them Gill Bates.

Gill is quite wealthy from making his company MacroHard. He decides that he will use AUR gear. He uses AUR prototype EVERYTHING, all bought from CCP. He never buys ANYTHING from a player, thereby bypassing the market completely. He has all the money in the world so he continues to use AUR everything forever.

In short, players like Gill will have BPO prototype EVERYTHING. If BPO standard and militia gear is no longer sold because it was damaging the economy and posed too much risk for when there was a Player Market, is it so different from AUR gear?

Like I said before, I am posing a hypothetical and trying to get people's reactions. I don't really know what to think; too little sleep, too much coffee.

That is only assuming that the person decides to buy it from a player or does actually move on. Allow me to pose a hypothetical person. We will call them Gill Bates.

Gill is quite wealthy from making his company MacroHard. He decides that he will use AUR gear. He uses AUR prototype EVERYTHING, all bought from CCP. He never buys ANYTHING from a player, thereby bypassing the market completely. He has all the money in the world so he continues to use AUR everything forever.

In short, players like Gill will have BPO prototype EVERYTHING. If BPO standard and militia gear is no longer sold because it was damaging the economy and posed too much risk for when there was a Player Market, is it so different from AUR gear?

Like I said before, I am posing a hypothetical and trying to get people's reactions. I don't really know what to think; too little sleep, too much coffee.

You're forgetting about something.

If "Gill Bates" is playing DUST, he's going to need to make a name for himself. He can buy all the AUR gear he wants and use it to fight, no matter what he does, he's still limited to only one tier above his SP level. Even when he's high enough to use Proto AUR gear, and spend AUR instead of ISK to make a profit, he (as a smart and wealthy businessman) will realise there's a more effective way to earn ISK.

He can buy all that AUR gear and SELL IT TO OTHER PLAYERS instead of just using it for himself.

This will, of course, result in Mr Bates becoming a (potentially major) part of the player market. CCP makes a profit, DUST players get a new AUR gear mogul. Gill Bates gets in-game fame and fortune (mostly fortune). Everybody wins.

I wasn't suggesting that you could throw money at the game and become super powerful. If anything, this game has a pretty fair model in regards to not being really "pay to win." It is "pay to be able to use stuff faster" and I don't think it could really be a problem aside from getting to the first 8 million far than someone who doesn't pay. 6-8 million is generally considered the amount of SP needed to be pretty much maxed in a role thus those numbers.

The selling bit is certainly true. I am mostly looking at the potential of the person to bypass the player market entirely like a BPO. It probably won't happen enough to be noticeable. It was just a thought I had this morning.

My point was the the only VALUE in bypassing the player market by using AUR is to make more ISK.

And there's a better, faster and more efficient method of doing that, which is to participate in the player market instead.

Certainly, yes. Boosters will be the PLEX of DUST; the basis of our economy. My guess is that since a 30 day pack of boosters is 28,000 AUR (14 dollars), the price of both will be around the same price as a PLEX which was around 600 million last I checked. That is only if there is complete DUST-EVE market integration because 600 million would take the average DUST player ages to build up.

Completely true but the BPO's were removed because you could bypass the player market. Same argument could be made (I am not making it though) that AUR gear could need to go for the same reason.
Like I said, thought exercise.

"AUR gear should be able to be sold though, just like PLEX's in EVE." This is true but PLEX's only give money to CCP rather than deprive another person of money. PLEX's are, literally, the Gold/GDP Standard of EVE but if I buy 15 of them from CCP and use them, I am not skipping the market because even if I never had to buy a PLEX again, I would still have to buy ships, clones, weapons and ammo, etc. If I sell the PLEX, the market moves as normal. With AUR dropsuits and equipment, if I sell them the market moves as normal BUT that item replaces another item that was made by a player. If I use the AUR gear, I am skipping the market entirely.

So will AUR be unfair to the Player Market? Just a thought I had; I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

My question is about all of the Aurum variant rewards we've received.
Will those be exchangeable for their Aurum value?
That's a lot of free money on the market...

Aurum will have more buying power versus ISK even after a Aurum/ISK exchange rate is established because Aurum has far more flexibility on the Market, where ISK can only purchase particular items.

We are talking about dust ISK which is much harder to aquire then eve ISK. 50~80 mil can fund yourself at least a month of proto gear non stop. On a second though i think 3 day active boosters will be much better cause most of the active players can cap out in ~3 days. So buying 4X3 day boosters would probs be better. On the passive booster side however you cant really do that.

It seems like a lot of people don't understand your post.

My take; Yes, Aurum gear will negatively impact the player manufacturing market for exactly the reasons you specified: It's a bypass of the normal manufacturing channels. It's just a matter of HOW much it will affect the market. If it's only a small thing, then CCP will probably continue the pay-to-win nature of the Aurum market. If however it significantly disrupts the manufacturing economy, then I guess that aurum gear will go the way of EVE; boosters and vanity items.

Precisely. I am it is the same concept of a BPO; "you bought this so you didn't buy the isk version which is bad for the economy." AUR items are the same but are obviously prohibitively expensive to do so.

That wasn't the logic behind the BPO removal though.

It's not "you bought this so you DIDN'T buy the ISK version" which is a problem.

It's "you bought this so you NEVER have to buy the ISK version EVER IN THE ENTIRE LIFESPAN OF YOUR CHARACTER" that becomes an issue.

Completely true but the BPO's were removed because you could bypass the player market. Same argument could be made (I am not making it though) that AUR gear could need to go for the same reason.
Like I said, thought exercise.