DUST Search - Will AUR be unfair when the Player Market comes out?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Hello everyone. The Player Market is something that everyone is hyped up about, more so than usual. The looming threat of FanFest has everyone clamoring to try to sell/buy BPO's, planning what they are going to do, and more horrifically who is going to create the first monopoly on the most used weapon, dropsuit, and vehicle to make a mountain of isk that Scrooge McDuck would be envious of. Player Market will be cool and will certainly give DUST back a unique selling point with the notion that everything on the field was built by a player, bought by a player, and destroyed by a player. But there is an interesting aspect that I want to bring up; micro-transactions.

Everyone "knows" why BPO were shot in the face; they are just free money. People are even suggesting that BPO's turn into actual EVE BPO's because of the free lunch thing (I don't mean to discuss that here). That got me thinking; if a BPO is unfair and damaging to the market, does that mean that any AUR gear will be damaging to the market?

AUR gear exists because CCP needs to make money off of DUST. You can buy a lot of AUR to get boosters or a little bit to get equipment that requires less SP. Great for trying stuff out, so CCP makes money. Typical Free to Play micro-transactions. But like a BPO, that AUR dropsuit doesn't stimulate the economy of DUST/EVE. Someone with deep pockets could completely bypass the Player Market, which is why BPO's are no longer able to be bought.

"AUR gear should be able to be sold though, just like PLEX's in EVE." This is true but PLEX's only give money to CCP rather than deprive another person of money. PLEX's are, literally, the Gold/GDP Standard of EVE but if I buy 15 of them from CCP and use them, I am not skipping the market because even if I never had to buy a PLEX again, I would still have to buy ships, clones, weapons and ammo, etc. If I sell the PLEX, the market moves as normal. With AUR dropsuits and equipment, if I sell them the market moves as normal BUT that item replaces another item that was made by a player. If I use the AUR gear, I am skipping the market entirely.

So will AUR be unfair to the Player Market? Just a thought I had; I would love to hear what everyone thinks.


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Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 432	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Hello everyone. The Player Market is something that everyone is hyped up about, more so than usual. The looming threat of FanFest has everyone clamoring to try to sell/buy BPO's, planning what they are going to do, and more horrifically who is going to create the first monopoly on the most used weapon, dropsuit, and vehicle to make a mountain of isk that Scrooge McDuck would be envious of. Player Market will be cool and will certainly give DUST back a unique selling point with the notion that everything on the field was built by a player, bought by a player, and destroyed by a player. But there is an interesting aspect that I want to bring up; micro-transactions. Everyone "knows" why BPO were shot in the face; they are just free money. People are even suggesting that BPO's turn into actual EVE BPO's because of the free lunch thing (I don't mean to discuss that here). That got me thinking; if a BPO is unfair and damaging to the market, does that mean that any AUR gear will be damaging to the market? AUR gear exists because CCP needs to make money off of DUST. You can buy a lot of AUR to get boosters or a little bit to get equipment that requires less SP. Great for trying stuff out, so CCP makes money. Typical Free to Play micro-transactions. But like a BPO, that AUR dropsuit doesn't stimulate the economy of DUST/EVE. Someone with deep pockets could completely bypass the Player Market, which is why BPO's are no longer able to be bought. "AUR gear should be able to be sold though, just like PLEX's in EVE." This is true but PLEX's only give money to CCP rather than deprive another person of money. PLEX's are, literally, the Gold/GDP Standard of EVE but if I buy 15 of them from CCP and use them, I am not skipping the market because even if I never had to buy a PLEX again, I would still have to buy ships, clones, weapons and ammo, etc. If I sell the PLEX, the market moves as normal. With AUR dropsuits and equipment, if I sell them the market moves as normal BUT that item replaces another item that was made by a player. If I use the AUR gear, I am skipping the market entirely. So will AUR be unfair to the Player Market? Just a thought I had; I would love to hear what everyone thinks. AUR gear won't be unfair and it should be able to be sold on the player market for ISK just like AUR stuff in EVE can be sold and traded for ISK. The REAL question is whether or not the dumb players in this game will come to the realization of how valuable the officer gear is in this game. In EVE, officer gear is the highest priced **** in the whole of the game. We're talking about the equivalent of 10 million ISK for a top end rifle in this game it it is the best officer version (hint: look at the meta level to see which is better) in the game. Second highest commodity in EVE are the FACTION reward things! Only players with the right standings are able to "mass produce" these things and then they can turn around and sell them on the player market for hundreds of millions of ISK. "But aren't faction items free..." you say? Bullsh*t! They still cost you time for building up your standings to get the LPs to trade in for that stuff. And you had to use and spend ISK for the gear you used to earn those LPs in the matches too. So nothing is for "free" in this game. Players in this game have no idea of the instrinsic value they could be earning from a player market if one were available. Hell, prices of normal stuff would go down due to salvage and EVE pilots producing it and trying to undercut competition. You could sell all that silly salvage that you never use that you get from matches instead of letting it waste away in your storage. I go into detail on this stuff here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137656&find=unread Have a read and comment on it.
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 433	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:29:00 - [2] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: My question is about all of the Aurum variant rewards we've received. Will those be exchangeable for their Aurum value? That's a lot of free money on the market... Aurum will have more buying power versus ISK even after a Aurum/ISK exchange rate is established because Aurum has far more flexibility on the Market, where ISK can only purchase particular items. You've got it backwards... Yes ISK will be worth less that AUR, but anything you buy with AUR will be available on the ISK markets too... So ISK will be far more flexible.