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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 242	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote Is it because people hate change why really.... Why? Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1120	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:05:00 - [2] - Quote Unwillingness to adapt. Truly though, cloaks need to not give a dampening bonus and have their up[time and cooldowns flipped, and they'll be in a good place. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4795	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Unwillingness to adapt. Truly though, cloaks need to not give a dampening bonus and have their up[time and cooldowns flipped, and they'll be in a good place. GÖª I can agree with the Dampening removal GÖª uptime and cooldown flipped? You nuts. I could live with a 10 seconds uptime reduction thou. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:07:00 - [4] - Quote There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Watch your back because I might be there.
Espartoi Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:09:00 - [5] - Quote Again with this... Hail to all Winmatars. 07
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5745	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:10:00 - [6] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment: not so much. -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner: necessary for two of four scouts. -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak: bug that should be fixed soon. Where is the downside to it? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:11:00 - [7] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? pretty much this, and can have a suit better than assaults with more ehp and that bonus shotgun blast to the face, priceless
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:14:00 - [8] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? The extreme cpu pg not using weapons THINK MAN THINK!!!!! Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 451	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote cloaks arnt op
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 508	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:16:00 - [10] - Quote You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:16:00 - [11] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? pretty much this, and can have a suit better than assaults with more ehp and that bonus shotgun blast to the face, priceless If you fit it like that. and that that has nothing to do with cloaks thats the scouts ehp that people exploit. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 986	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:16:00 - [12] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3925	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:17:00 - [13] - Quote It killed me, therefore nerf... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:19:00 - [14] - Quote medomai grey wrote: You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. Your not thanked or welcomed that thread isn't on the main page so I won't go searching Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 102	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:24:00 - [15] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Well yes as a matter of fact there is. RR, less damage, more range, look it has a down side HMG more damage less range, look positive and negative again nanohive, you can only carry 2-3, it only has a range of 5-10 meters, it has limited usage Now stop being stupid. Watch your back because I might be there.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:26:00 - [16] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Well yes as a matter of fact there is. RR, less damage, more range, look it has a down side HMG more damage less range, look positive and negative again nanohive, you can only carry 2-3, it only has a range of 5-10 meters, it has limited usage Now stop being stupid. DO YOU GUYS NOT ******* SEE THE CLEAR AND BOLD CPU AND PG USAGE DAMNIT!!!! Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1002	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:27:00 - [17] - Quote Few reasons why people are upset: 1. It is new and therefore popular. Seeing it all the time gets something a lot of ire. 2. It is annoying as hell. Getting jumped and killed is frustrating. If you lose in a 'fair' 1v1 due to poor aiming, you are annoyed at yourself. If you lose due to them out DPS'ing you because of prototype weapons, you are annoyed at the prototype weapon ("I would have won if that try-hard wasn't use a proto suit!"). Getting jumped to where you couldn't even fight back gives you no easy outlet for that annoyance. When Cloaks make it easier, you blame them. 3. A 6k suit kills prototype gear fairly easily when you can get the jump. Cloaks make sure you get the jump. 4. Cloaks require no different style of play in order to use and give a large bump in power. I think most of it can be explained by the above. I am not discrediting any possible balance issues but that is generally why people complain about anything, "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 168	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:30:00 - [18] - Quote Cloaks are fine at first I disliked it but it taught me to be more aware of my surroundings, now I'm more paranoid than ever before! Volcano ash textures make me **** bricks thinking a scout running by ready for a kill. Also it gives me great training killing cloaked scouts/anything with the charged sniper rifle. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 509	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:32:00 - [19] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. Your not thanked or welcomed that thread isn't on the main page so I won't go searching You don't have to go searching, I provided you a link. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:36:00 - [20] - Quote How could a person complain about it if there not trying to even counter it omg my heavy cant see it my assault my logi cant see it then fit some damn precision enhancers. Because clearly scouts should be visble even to a rock 2 miles away. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:37:00 - [21] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Well yes as a matter of fact there is. RR, less damage, more range, look it has a down side HMG more damage less range, look positive and negative again nanohive, you can only carry 2-3, it only has a range of 5-10 meters, it has limited usage Now stop being stupid. DO YOU GUYS NOT *** SEE THE CLEAR AND BOLD CPU AND PG USAGE DAMNIT!!!! Lol - 75% for scouts What CPU/PG usage lol Watch your back because I might be there.
KGB Sleep 985	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:37:00 - [22] - Quote It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. Because beer, that's why.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:38:00 - [23] - Quote medomai grey wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. Your not thanked or welcomed that thread isn't on the main page so I won't go searching You don't have to go searching, I provided you a link. You seem like a nice guy but I've already branded you as an enemy in this thread. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:39:00 - [24] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Well yes as a matter of fact there is. RR, less damage, more range, look it has a down side HMG more damage less range, look positive and negative again nanohive, you can only carry 2-3, it only has a range of 5-10 meters, it has limited usage Now stop being stupid. DO YOU GUYS NOT *** SEE THE CLEAR AND BOLD CPU AND PG USAGE DAMNIT!!!! Lol - 75% for scouts What CPU/PG usage lol it takes 1/2 - 1/3 of it **** Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 509	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:46:00 - [25] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. Your not thanked or welcomed that thread isn't on the main page so I won't go searching You don't have to go searching, I provided you a link. You seem like a nice guy but I've already branded you as an enemy in this thread. Oh noes, I'm being labeled "enemy" for giving you what you asked for. And not one ** was given. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )**
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:46:00 - [26] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. FotM'er here Sure 1 free undetectable undodgeable strike from an invisible opponent is totally the same as it was before, totally..... dumbass. Watch your back because I might be there.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:48:00 - [27] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: it takes 1/2 - 1/3 of it **** God you are stupid. what is 15 x 5? OH yeah, 75 so 15% reduction per lvl, with 5 levels, is what genius? Watch your back because I might be there.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:48:00 - [28] - Quote medomai grey wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: medomai grey wrote: You know there are other threads covering this topic right? And that you could've read any of those threads to answer your question instead of creating another thread on the same bloody topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151761 Your welcome. Your not thanked or welcomed that thread isn't on the main page so I won't go searching You don't have to go searching, I provided you a link. You seem like a nice guy but I've already branded you as an enemy in this thread. Oh noes, I'm being labeled "enemy" for giving you what you asked for. And not one **** was given. I looked back with a tear never to return again T-T Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:51:00 - [29] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: it takes 1/2 - 1/3 of it ** God you are stupid. what is 15 x 5? OH yeah, 75 so 15% reduction per lvl, with 5 levels, is what genius? actually I just tested it you dumb *** I actually have a scout suit Caldari C/1 series Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:53:00 - [30] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. FotM'er here Sure 1 free undetectable undodgeable strike from an invisible opponent is totally the same as it was before, totally..... dumbass. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

KGB Sleep 987	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:53:00 - [31] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. FotM'er here Sure 1 free undetectable undodgeable strike from an invisible opponent is totally the same as it was before, totally..... dumbass. Hi FotM'er, nice to meet you. Thank you for choosing Dust Forums brand of emotional tampon. Because beer, that's why.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:55:00 - [32] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: it takes 1/2 - 1/3 of it ** God you are stupid. what is 15 x 5? OH yeah, 75 so 15% reduction per lvl, with 5 levels, is what genius? actually I just tested it you dumb *** I actually have a scout suit Caldari C/1 series OMG look at the freaking description you knuckle dragging idiot. 15% reduction to the use of cloaks per level. Watch your back because I might be there.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:56:00 - [33] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. ^FotM'er here Sure 1 free undetectable undodgeable strike from an invisible opponent is totally the same as it was before, totally..... dumbass. Hi FotM'er, nice to meet you. Thank you for choosing Dust Forums brand of emotional tampon. I am going to play that off like you actually knew what I meant, I just don't want to believe that two of the stupidest people on the planet are inhabiting the same thread. Watch your back because I might be there.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4802	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:56:00 - [34] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. THIS, End thread/ Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KGB Sleep 987	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:04:00 - [35] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: I am going to play that off like you actually knew what I meant, I just don't want to believe that two of the stupidest people on the planet are inhabiting the same thread. Well you should stop hanging out in cloak threads then. Because beer, that's why.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:06:00 - [36] - Quote First off Clearly your one of the two 2nd off do you even run scouts or cloaks do you know how much cpu/pg after you get proto? Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 244	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:08:00 - [37] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: I am going to play that off like you actually knew what I meant, I just don't want to believe that two of the stupidest people on the planet are inhabiting the same thread. Well you should stop hanging out in JARRELL's threads then. What so your calling me stupid? because I asked a simple question ****? Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
KGB Sleep 987	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:09:00 - [38] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: I am going to play that off like you actually knew what I meant, I just don't want to believe that two of the stupidest people on the planet are inhabiting the same thread. Well you should stop hanging out in JARRELL's threads then. What so your calling me stupid? because I asked a simple question ***? no, i cleared it up because it looked that way. Because beer, that's why.*
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:10:00 - [39] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: First off Clearly your one of the two 2nd off do you even run scouts or cloaks do you know how much cpu/pg after you get proto? IDK wtf this is even supposed to mean? Do you know how to compose a f-ing thought using words or are you just that incredibly dim-witted? LOOK AT THE SKILL "Scout Suit Bonus: +15% bonus to the PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level." So WTF does this mean in idiot-land? Out here in normal-land, it means a 75% reduction to the fitting cost of the cloak, it also means cloaks aren't very expensive to fit. Watch your back because I might be there.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 245	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:32:00 - [40] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: First off Clearly your one of the two 2nd off do you even run scouts or cloaks do you know how much cpu/pg after you get proto? IDK wtf this is even supposed to mean? Do you know how to compose a f-ing thought using words or are you just that incredibly dim-witted? LOOK AT THE SKILL "Scout Suit Bonus: +15% bonus to the PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level." So WTF does this mean in idiot-land? Out here in normal-land, it means a 75% reduction to the fitting cost of the cloak, it also means cloaks aren't very expensive to fit. I could give 2 ***** about 75% because I have lvl 3 wich means 88/248 cpu and 19/52 pg which is about 1/2-1/3 like I said Now good by farewell. I hope you dont keep grudges lol. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 246	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:42:00 - [41] - Quote and also 75% bonus on an advance suit is 128/248 cpu 8.75/52 pretty low on pg but still high on cpu and I was using basic as example. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2571	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:59:00 - [42] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: First off Clearly your one of the two 2nd off do you even run scouts or cloaks do you know how much cpu/pg after you get proto? IDK wtf this is even supposed to mean? Do you know how to compose a f-ing thought using words or are you just that incredibly dim-witted? LOOK AT THE SKILL "Scout Suit Bonus: +15% bonus to the PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level." So WTF does this mean in idiot-land? Out here in normal-land, it means a 75% reduction to the fitting cost of the cloak, it also means cloaks aren't very expensive to fit. I could give 2 ***** about 75% because I have lvl 3 wich means 88/248 cpu and 19/52 pg which is about 1/2-1/3 like I said Now good by farewell. I hope you dont keep grudges lol. Costs about as much as a proto hive to fit a proto clack. Clacks have a far greater personal tactical advantage, too; even on an undampened suit they add a lot of tactical potential. And nobody cares about your personal investment. We don't balance things around JARRELL's investment in scout suits, we balance around people who have actually skilled into the thing. 75% is the only important number. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2571	Posted - 2014.04.04 06:01:00 - [43] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: and also 75% bonus on an advance suit is 128/248 cpu 8.75/52 pretty low on pg but still high on cpu and I was using basic as example. 330 base CPU (at proto, which you don't even need to bother with tbh) multiplied by 0.25 is not 128 Please l2maths. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 246	Posted - 2014.04.04 11:28:00 - [44] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: and also 75% bonus on an advance suit is 128/248 cpu 8.75/52 pretty low on pg but still high on cpu and I was using basic as example. 330 base CPU (at proto, which you don't even need to bother with tbh) multiplied by 0.25 is not 128 Please l2maths. because I said 75% not 25% read first Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1260	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:01:00 - [45] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? you forgot to mention how you can fit this along with 600 EHP on a suits with small hitbox and good speed
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 57	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:05:00 - [46] - Quote I've gotten sniped from 200 meters+ while cloaked. Twice. How and why people aren't able to see people that are moving while cloaked is unknown to me. (Insert witty phrase here)
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 574	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:16:00 - [47] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Is it because people hate change why really.... Why? Because people relied on the scanner, damage mods and HP ! They never invested in electronic mods, they don't use electronic mods, they don't have AUR electronic mods, they don't have 4 mill sp to get electronic mods, and now their BLIND, they realize they have no situational awareness and in other words; THEIR TOO PROUD TO ADMIT THEY SUCK, AND THEYKNOW THAT IF THEY CRY LOUD ENOUGH THEY WILLGET THEIR OWN WAY! I say F them, because not spending sp correctly and fitting your suits wisely is what creates the imbalance in this game anD nerfing solves nothing! My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4867	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:22:00 - [48] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Well yes as a matter of fact there is. RR, less damage, more range, look it has a down side HMG more damage less range, look positive and negative again nanohive, you can only carry 2-3, it only has a range of 5-10 meters, it has limited usage Now stop being stupid. Compare equipment to equipment. Nanohive? Gives ammo. And the downside is that it... can't be deployed with your weapon out. Repair Tool? Fixes your teammates. Downside: Can't use it while holding a gun. REs? Let you plant traps and blow things up. Downside is once again the inability to use your gun at the same time. Scanners? Light up enemies not only for yourself, but other friendlies as well. Where's the downside? Oh yeah, guns. Cloak? Lets you turn "invisible". What's the downside? HEY LOOK! Same downside as EVERY OTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THE GAME. Oh yeah, and you're not really all that invisible after all. And the "not really invisible"-ness gets turned up to "lighting up like a blue christmas tree" whenever you move. Also, unless you're fitting it on a Scout suit with a lot of SP investment, it costs more PG and CPU than literally any other equipment item in the game. Even then it's at a comparable level to other equipment costs. As an added bonus, when you turn it off, it makes a noise telling everyone nearby that there's someone decloaking and it's time to start looking for them. Now stop being stupid. I support the volume being turned up on the decloak sound though, it's rather quiet for anyone who isn't the one decloaking right now. Fix that, and add some tutorial splash screens with "see this blue glowy thing? It's a cloaked player. Check it by lining up your sights on the target and seeing if your marker turns red. If it does, unload on their faces before they Shotgun yours off". Problem? No problem.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4867	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:25:00 - [49] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: and also 75% bonus on an advance suit is 128/248 cpu 8.75/52 pretty low on pg but still high on cpu and I was using basic as example. 330 base CPU (at proto, which you don't even need to bother with tbh) multiplied by 0.25 is not 128 Please l2maths. because I said 75% not 25% read first Removing 75% of something means 25% is left. To work out the final value, you can EITHER: 1. Multiply by 0.75 2. Subtract result from original value. OR: 1. Multiply by 0.25 So as was so eloquently stated by Lorhack, "l2maths".
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3397	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:31:00 - [50] - Quote Cloak is OP because it gives all the benefits a complex damped scout with none of the drawbacks. This, in combination with recent buffs to the suits themselves, allow them to brick tank almost as good as an assault while moving much faster, also giving them access to better battlefield intelligence from radar and better hack speed. The suit is as much to blame as the cloak. If they were going to give cloaks a dampening bonus, they had no business giving scouts an additional equipment slot and module slot. If they were NOT going to give them a dampening bonus, it would have been much easier to swallow the upgrades to the suit.

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 266	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:35:00 - [51] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? being seen by a tank while cloaked and being killed by it. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3397	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:37:00 - [52] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? being seen by a tank while cloaked and being killed by it. That's not a built-in downside, that's momentary incompetence.
RED-EYE -JEDI RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 163	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:43:00 - [53] - Quote Are people already crying out its OP ? its a new game mechanic, so everybody needs to adapt, and if you run precision enhancement modules you will see these cloaked scouts ! EVERYTHING has a counter in the game you just need to find the right fitting. complaining wont kill cloaked scouts but adapting to the game will DO YOU REALLY WANT A BORING AND PREDICTABLE GAME ? or innovation which refreshes the game to a new level ? May the force be with you Forge Gun = Mechanised Hadouken
Sam Booty Valor Coalition Red Whines. 67	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:51:00 - [54] - Quote I am just getting a cloak + REs and maybe a shotgun.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 68	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:34:00 - [55] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Is it because people hate change why really.... Why? If you don't know what we are talking about you might be a cloaked scout.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 453	Posted - 2014.04.04 15:24:00 - [56] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cloak is OP because it gives all the benefits a complex damped scout with none of the drawbacks. This, in combination with recent buffs to the suits themselves, allow them to brick tank almost as good as an assault while moving much faster, also giving them access to better battlefield intelligence from radar and better hack speed. The suit is as much to blame as the cloak. If they were going to give cloaks a dampening bonus, they had no business giving scouts an additional equipment slot and module slot. If they were NOT going to give them a dampening bonus, it would have been much easier to swallow the upgrades to the suit. you sound like someone who has not even a single skill point in any of the equipment u want nerfed, do you have a scout suit, do you have a cloak? Only one scout suit gets a damp bonus, and there is an other that gets a pasive scan bonus, exact oposites, one that gets a mele bonus, and another with a stamina bonus. they hack just as assault suits not a second faster. Not all scouts are unscan-able, only about 12% the total amount of suits in play are completely unscan-able "if" fitted with the right modules leaving it vulnurable to a quick death if they are spotted, not brick-tanked, u cant have both eletronic invisibility and high ehp. not to mention that a galente logi gets an active scanner bonus leaving everyone with acess to a decent scanner and a gal logi should be able to help you find the other 88% of the eletronicly visible "invisible" scouts how do you know the exact fit of every scout that kills you? are you a fn psycic? skill in to the **** u call for a nerf to then call for a nerf idiot
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 274	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:49:00 - [57] - Quote Is the cloak OP? I dunno. What I do know is that my favorite type of fights are when the 2 teams stall out with a bit of space between them and a long protracted gun battle ensues. This type of fight has not been common since 1.6 (1.7 tanks broke most defensive lines with ease), but with the rise of the cloaked scout it has basically ended completely. everytime the fight starts to settle into any kind of organization invisible scouts appear and rip holes in whatever defense was coalescing. While this is a good tactic, it sure doesn't add anything to my fun, even if they don't kill me. Tl;DR Inviso scouts lead to confused swirling battles that I enjoy less than more structured fights.
The Attorney General 2514	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:52:00 - [58] - Quote I can pretty much deal with the cloak porivded two conditions are met. 1. BEFORE you can fire or place an RE, you must be full uncloaked. None of this glimmering shotgunning or RE tossing BS. 2. Fluxes should deactivate the cloak. Beyond that, have at it. Speed up the cloak and uncloak animation if needed. Those two conditions are a must to enjoyable gameplay for BOTH sides of the engagement. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 406	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:56:00 - [59] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? Lol, is there a down side to fitting a RR or an HMG? Is there a down side to carrying a nanohive? Is there a downside to having kincat? Wtf you smoking? Downside to using a kincat, less armour. Downside to fitting a rail rifle? You blind yourself (lol, the rail weapons flash is great). Downside to carrying a nanohive? Um, you got me there. Downside to fitting an HMG? You have to be in a heavy suit, which means you are scannable by all. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 247	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:26:00 - [60] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: and also 75% bonus on an advance suit is 128/248 cpu 8.75/52 pretty low on pg but still high on cpu and I was using basic as example. 330 base CPU (at proto, which you don't even need to bother with tbh) multiplied by 0.25 is not 128 Please l2maths. because I said 75% not 25% read first Removing 75% of something means 25% is left. To work out the final value, you can EITHER: 1. Multiply by 0.75 2. Subtract result from original value. OR: 1. Multiply by 0.25 So as was so eloquently stated by Lorhack, "l2maths". And I multiplied .75 subtract total. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:30:00 - [61] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it?
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 360	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:52:00 - [62] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. THIS, End thread/ Damn right we did. We now have a way to actually hide from people that previously could just chase us and shoot us in the back while we are trying our hardest just to get out of the line of fire. Running did nothing. We were given a tool to go on the offensive, and I for one use it well. Personally with proto level gallente scout my fits are a complex dampener and complex kincats swapping in either a second dampener or reactives on the 3rd slot (I run valor to keep cost down. I play solo alot so my overhead is around 150k a match +/-) and a basic cloak plus my weapon. Ewar scout, no brick tank and i still get hate mail. Nothing is really wrong with the cloak, people need to learn to see all over again Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
Onesimus Tarsus 1816	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:08:00 - [63] - Quote Either the cloak does what is advertised, that is, it makes you almost impossible to see, which then in a VIDEO game makes it ruinously uneven. OR The cloak users are "so ez 2 see lolz, ppl need 2 get eyes", rendering the cloak a scurrilous lie on the outset and a detriment on the field, to the point only the blatantly suicidal would equip one, and then only to die. Considering the sketchy graphics in this game, I'd say the former. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
Vesperz D3ATH CARD 75	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 - [64] - Quote Its ridiculous to say clacks are op when all the tools to counter them are there, use them. I don't have a problem seeing cloaked scouts/logis, welcome fodder for my m209 smg & nova knives adv min scout. Precision modules and range amplifiers are your friends. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:44:00 - [65] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Is it because people hate change why really.... Why? They like to stroke their k/d
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:51:00 - [66] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak Where is the downside to it? -very visible shimmer -weapon swap -scout low hp or high CPU for other -not free shot you have to work for it -scrub who QQ when they get owned
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:54:00 - [67] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design. +1 This^
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4941	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:02:00 - [68] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: To work out the final value, you can EITHER: 1. Multiply by 0.75 2. Subtract result from original value. OR: 1. Multiply by 0.25 So as was so eloquently stated by Lorhack, "l2maths". And I multiplied .75 subtract total. Well you appear to have done it very wrong, because as stated, even the prototype version doesn't cost 128 CPU after the 75% reduction. 330 x 0.25 = 82.5 Lets work it out how you CLAIM to have done so. 330 x 0.75 = 247.5 330 - 247.5 = 82.5 If the prototype cloak only requires 82.5 CPU, what magical version are you calculating from to get 128? Again (or still), l2maths.
Patrick57 6705	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:06:00 - [69] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Unwillingness to adapt. Truly though, cloaks need to not give a dampening bonus and have their up[time and cooldowns flipped, and they'll be in a good place. Why should the dampening bonus be taken away? I always assumed that the point of a 'cloak' was to get you off the radar. A dampening bonus works just like that. My personal best ADS match
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 269	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:13:00 - [70] - Quote There should be a delay when you're decloaking so you cant shoot your weapon as soon as your visible. About 1 second. The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one! 1.8 is fun. Cant wait for the new build!

Onesimus Tarsus 1819	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:14:00 - [71] - Quote thesupertman wrote: There should be a delay when you're decloaking so you cant shoot your weapon as soon as your visible. About 1 second. You know... He's onto something there. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 255	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:19:00 - [72] - Quote Basic cloak 5% dampening bonus Advanced cloak 15% dampening bonus Prototype cloak 25% dampening bonus. Basic cloak Up time 30 seconds Cool down 15 seconds. Advanced cloak Up time 60 seconds cool down 30 seconds. Prototype cloak Up time 90 seconds cool down 45 seconds. Nearly perfect cloak. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 593	Posted - 2014.04.06 06:48:00 - [73] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cloak is OP because it gives all the benefits a complex damped scout with none of the drawbacks. This, in combination with recent buffs to the suits themselves, allow them to brick tank almost as good as an assault while moving much faster, also giving them access to better battlefield intelligence from radar and better hack speed. The suit is as much to blame as the cloak. If they were going to give cloaks a dampening bonus, they had no business giving scouts an additional equipment slot and module slot. If they were NOT going to give them a dampening bonus, it would have been much easier to swallow the upgrades to the suit. And once you realize your still getting snuck up on and shot in the back by a scout with 87 shields and 160 armor what then? What most people don't realize is that with the ttk changes, a scout can now get that 2nd or 3rd shot off because your rail rifle spin isn't killing them in a micro second now. They snuck up on people before the cloak and died due to poor game mechanics, the shotgun actually hits now, so it's not the cloak and it's not scouts, it's that everyone got used to old ttk and victims of shot gunners didn't die then when they should have, but now with improved frame rate they do. My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:05:00 - [74] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment: not so much - if you are ret4rded -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner: necessary for two of four scouts-not at all. -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak: bug that should be fixed soon-yeah right. Where is the downside to it? FTFY Lets put it this way. If there was no visual concealment, no one would use them. Stop being stupid. Watch your back because I might be there.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:07:00 - [75] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Basic cloak 25% dampening penalty Advanced cloak 15% dampening penalty Prototype cloak 10% dampening penalty Basic cloak Up time 30 seconds Cool down 15 seconds. Advanced cloak Up time 60 seconds cool down 30 seconds. Prototype cloak Up time 90 seconds cool down 45 seconds. Nearly perfect cloak. FTFY. Cloaks should have penalties for dampening, not bonuses. Sinboto Simmons wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: There is absolutely no down side to fitting one. You get: -visual concealment: not so much - if you are ret4rded -a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner: necessary for two of four scouts-not at all. -1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak: bug that should be fixed soon-yeah right. Where is the downside to it? FTFY Lets put it this way. If there was no visual concealment, no one would use them. Stop being stupid. Watch your back because I might be there.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 533	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:22:00 - [76] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Few reasons why people are upset: 1. It is new and therefore popular. Seeing it all the time gets something a lot of ire. 2. It is annoying as hell. Getting jumped and killed is frustrating. If you lose in a 'fair' 1v1 due to poor aiming, you are annoyed at yourself. If you lose due to them out DPS'ing you because of prototype weapons, you are annoyed at the prototype weapon ("I would have won if that try-hard wasn't use a proto suit!"). Getting jumped to where you couldn't even fight back gives you no easy outlet for that annoyance. When Cloaks make it easier, you blame them. 3. A 6k suit kills prototype gear fairly easily when you can get the jump. Cloaks make sure you get the jump. 4. Cloaks require no different style of play in order to use and give a large bump in power. I think most of it can be explained by the above. I am not discrediting any possible balance issues but that is generally why people complain about anything, I think this is a great summary.


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