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TERMINALANCE
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:30:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:There is absolutely no down side to fitting one.
You get:
-visual concealment
-a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner
-1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak
Where is the downside to it?
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
360
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design.
THIS,End thread/
Damn right we did. We now have a way to actually hide from people that previously could just chase us and shoot us in the back while we are trying our hardest just to get out of the line of fire. Running did nothing. We were given a tool to go on the offensive, and I for one use it well.
Personally with proto level gallente scout my fits are a complex dampener and complex kincats swapping in either a second dampener or reactives on the 3rd slot (I run valor to keep cost down. I play solo alot so my overhead is around 150k a match +/-) and a basic cloak plus my weapon. Ewar scout, no brick tank and i still get hate mail. Nothing is really wrong with the cloak, people need to learn to see all over again
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
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Onesimus Tarsus
1816
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:08:00 -
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Either the cloak does what is advertised, that is, it makes you almost impossible to see, which then in a VIDEO game makes it ruinously uneven.
OR
The cloak users are "so ez 2 see lolz, ppl need 2 get eyes", rendering the cloak a scurrilous lie on the outset and a detriment on the field, to the point only the blatantly suicidal would equip one, and then only to die.
Considering the sketchy graphics in this game, I'd say the former.
If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking.
I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
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Vesperz
D3ATH CARD
75
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 -
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Its ridiculous to say clacks are op when all the tools to counter them are there, use them. I don't have a problem seeing cloaked scouts/logis, welcome fodder for my m209 smg & nova knives adv min scout. Precision modules and range amplifiers are your friends. 
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:44:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Is it because people hate change why really....
Why?
They like to stroke their k/d |
Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:51:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:There is absolutely no down side to fitting one.
You get:
-visual concealment
-a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner
-1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak
Where is the downside to it?
-very visible shimmer
-weapon swap
-scout low hp or high CPU for other
-not free shot you have to work for it
-scrub who QQ when they get owned |
Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:54:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:It isn't hard to counter cloaks. It is an excuse people are using to invalidate their deaths. You can watch this video from forever ago that shows scouts doing the same thing they are today. Cloaks became an excuse for people to write off a lack of situational awareness. There are a lot of egos laying crushed and broken after the heavy and scout became capable of dealing with the slayer logis. CCP did right by cloaking. They should stand by their design.
+1
This^ |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4941
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:02:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:To work out the final value, you can EITHER:
1. Multiply by 0.75
2. Subtract result from original value.
OR:
1. Multiply by 0.25
So as was so eloquently stated by Lorhack, "l2maths". And I multiplied .75 subtract total.
Well you appear to have done it very wrong, because as stated, even the prototype version doesn't cost 128 CPU after the 75% reduction.
330 x 0.25 = 82.5
Lets work it out how you CLAIM to have done so.
330 x 0.75 = 247.5
330 - 247.5 = 82.5
If the prototype cloak only requires 82.5 CPU, what magical version are you calculating from to get 128?
Again (or still), l2maths. |
Patrick57
6705
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:06:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Unwillingness to adapt.
Truly though, cloaks need to not give a dampening bonus and have their up[time and cooldowns flipped, and they'll be in a good place.
Why should the dampening bonus be taken away?
I always assumed that the point of a 'cloak' was to get you off the radar. A dampening bonus works just like that.
My personal best ADS match
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
269
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:13:00 -
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There should be a delay when you're decloaking so you cant shoot your weapon as soon as your visible.
About 1 second.
The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one!
1.8 is fun. Cant wait for the new build!
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Onesimus Tarsus
1819
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:14:00 -
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thesupertman wrote:There should be a delay when you're decloaking so you cant shoot your weapon as soon as your visible.
About 1 second.
You know...
He's onto something there.
If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking.
I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
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PEW JACKSON
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
255
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:19:00 -
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Basic cloak 5% dampening bonus
Advanced cloak 15% dampening bonus
Prototype cloak 25% dampening bonus.
Basic cloak
Up time 30 seconds
Cool down 15 seconds.
Advanced cloak
Up time 60 seconds
cool down 30 seconds.
Prototype cloak
Up time 90 seconds
cool down 45 seconds.
Nearly perfect cloak.
Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
593
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cloak is OP because it gives all the benefits a complex damped scout with none of the drawbacks.
This, in combination with recent buffs to the suits themselves, allow them to brick tank almost as good as an assault while moving much faster, also giving them access to better battlefield intelligence from radar and better hack speed.
The suit is as much to blame as the cloak. If they were going to give cloaks a dampening bonus, they had no business giving scouts an additional equipment slot and module slot.
If they were NOT going to give them a dampening bonus, it would have been much easier to swallow the upgrades to the suit.
And once you realize your still getting snuck up on and shot in the back by a scout with 87 shields and 160 armor what then?
What most people don't realize is that with the ttk changes, a scout can now get that 2nd or 3rd shot off because your rail rifle spin isn't killing them in a micro second now.
They snuck up on people before the cloak and died due to poor game mechanics, the shotgun actually hits now, so it's not the cloak and it's not scouts, it's that everyone got used to old ttk and victims of shot gunners didn't die then when they should have, but now with improved frame rate they do.
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2014.04.06 09:05:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:There is absolutely no down side to fitting one.
You get:
-visual concealment: not so much - if you are ret4rded
-a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner: necessary for two of four scouts-not at all.
-1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak: bug that should be fixed soon-yeah right.
Where is the downside to it?
FTFY
Lets put it this way. If there was no visual concealment, no one would use them. Stop being stupid.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2014.04.06 09:07:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Basic cloak 25% dampening penalty
Advanced cloak 15% dampening penalty
Prototype cloak 10% dampening penalty
Basic cloak
Up time 30 seconds
Cool down 15 seconds.
Advanced cloak
Up time 60 seconds
cool down 30 seconds.
Prototype cloak
Up time 90 seconds
cool down 45 seconds.
Nearly perfect cloak.
FTFY. Cloaks should have penalties for dampening, not bonuses.
Sinboto Simmons wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:There is absolutely no down side to fitting one.
You get:
-visual concealment: not so much - if you are ret4rded
-a free stacking penalty free complex profile dampner: necessary for two of four scouts-not at all.
-1 free undodgable shot from the weapon of choice as you decloak: bug that should be fixed soon-yeah right.
Where is the downside to it?
FTFY
Lets put it this way. If there was no visual concealment, no one would use them. Stop being stupid.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Thurak1
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
533
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Posted - 2014.04.06 09:22:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Few reasons why people are upset:
1. It is new and therefore popular. Seeing it all the time gets something a lot of ire.
2. It is annoying as hell. Getting jumped and killed is frustrating. If you lose in a 'fair' 1v1 due to poor aiming, you are annoyed at yourself. If you lose due to them out DPS'ing you because of prototype weapons, you are annoyed at the prototype weapon ("I would have won if that try-hard wasn't use a proto suit!"). Getting jumped to where you couldn't even fight back gives you no easy outlet for that annoyance. When Cloaks make it easier, you blame them.
3. A 6k suit kills prototype gear fairly easily when you can get the jump. Cloaks make sure you get the jump.
4. Cloaks require no different style of play in order to use and give a large bump in power.
I think most of it can be explained by the above. I am not discrediting any possible balance issues but that is generally why people complain about anything,
I think this is a great summary.
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