Caldari Assault is far better than Minmatar Assault, as they have the ability to reach a higher eHP ceiling while still being faster than Gallente & Amarr frames, and they have a 4/3 layout, allowing for far better dual tanking, and even the ability to armor tank if they are going against LR or SCR spam.

All of the Logistics got the shaft, though I will admit that the Matari's 5% Repair Rate & Tool Range is nice.

How is it hung? You can have similar speed on the Caldari Sentinel, while having far greater eHP. Being the fastest Sentinel is like being the smartest kid on the Short Bus.

The only thing the Minmatar commando has going for it is AV. The Speed of a Heavy Frame, yet the eHP of a Medium Frame. I could dispute your claim about the Amarr Commando, but I've already done so in another thread.

• Sprinting? Yeah by 0.03m/s.
• Jumping? All that's good for is fighting a vehicle.
• Strafing? That's negated by Aim Assist, and the fact that being hit reduces your speed significantly.
• Hacking? That's far too situational to make a difference
• Repping? I'll give you that one
• Assassination? The only time the Nova Knife bonus makes a difference is when your fighting a Sentinel.
• Alpha GëÑ DPS. Would you rather kill your enemy quickly or instantly?
• The Explosive profile is the inverse of the Laser profile, and we only have 3 Projectile weapons in the game.
• Stamina? Who needs that when you can use your eHP to pull a Leroy Jenkins on everyone?

25% less eHP for 0.03m/s? Yeah, that's not a problem.

At least the Minmatar actually acknowledge when they're OP (for reference, see the Flaylock Pistol and Locus Grenade). Now what about the massive amount of Amarr Loyalists who were defending their crutch (1.4 - 1.7 Scrambler Rifle) and were protesting the nerf for the TTK changes?

Weren't you the one crying about being worse than the Gallente by 0.01m/s and (at most) 100 eHP?

25% less eHP for 0.03m/s? Yeah, that's not a problem.

At least the Minmatar actually acknowledge when they're OP (for reference, see the Flaylock Pistol and Locus Grenade). Now what about the massive amount of Amarr Loyalists who were defending their crutch (1.4 - 1.7 Scrambler Rifle) and were protesting the nerf for the TTK changes?

Weren't you the one crying about being worse than the Gallente by 0.01m/s and (at most) 100 eHP?

LOL

So what minmatar suit is the weakest again?

Scout: No that is the amarr scout
Logi: No, they are all pretty balances
Assault: No, caldari is the worst
Sentinel: Maybe, the jury is still out on this one
Commando: Nope, it is the amarr sentinel and it is not even close.

Things that the matari are the bet at:
Sprinting
Jumping
Strafing
Hacking
Repping
Area Denial
assasination
DPS (HMG and CR >>>>>>>> everything)
Damage profiles
Stamina regen (double everyone else??? lol)

Things the matari at bad at:
HP (which doesn't matter because slots minimize any starting HP difference)

God I swear minmatards are the biggest whiners in new eden (yes they will always claim they are underpowered in eve too, even when they are obviously OP)

you mean i can buy or train things to increase my shield and armour? where does one find these items of magic and wonder?!?!

but your comment is kinda pointless. i said the base shield/armour is more, so skills or not the difference is still the same. matari suits in 1.8 are far too thin on HP. its only a small increase but with the skills trained it would build up and bring them more in line with other suits. personally i'm suprised the large difference in hipoints between the new heavy frames

Minmatar != Mimi

And no innate armor repair rate except for Gallente. The other balancing issues with armor/shield HP can be discussed, but only Gallente get the repair bonuses. That is their thing.

None of those weapons are a minmatar suit. Lmao "minmatards are the biggest whiners in new eden" coming from an Amarr, you guys will always have that title, you guys can't even get new stuff without crying its not the best weeks in advanced.

[...] your dumb.

Here are the HP difference from standard (standard = cal/gal HP):
scout : -30 HP (-15% HP)
assault: - 45 HP (-13.6%)
logi: -30 HP (-11.1%)
commando: -90 HP (-16% HP)
senitel: -90 HP (-10%)

there is no minmatar suit that doesn't have a 0.2 m/sec advantage over the standard speed.

There is no minmatar suit that doesn't have AT LEAST 2.5X the stamina regen of the standard.

There is no minmatar suit that doesn't have above standard stamina.

There is no minmatar suit that is slower at hacking than it's contemporaries.

There is no minmatar suit that has less slots than it's contemporaries.

Now please pull yourself off of that cross that minmitards like to hang on, and stop lying.

[...] the Minnie suits are disadvantaged compared to their counterparts as their tanking style is outcompeted by those of their rivals. Their slightly improved speed will never make up for their serious lack of EHP. It roughly shakes out like this:

Min vs. Cal/Gal: 5-6% better speed for 10-14% less EHP
Min vs. Amarr: 9-10% better speed for 15-20+% less EHP

To quote Johnnie Cochran and the Wookie Defense: GÇ£This does not make senseGÇ¥.

No buddy i do believe you said (( see above) that the speed of the minmatar was mitigated by adding armor and what i said is no it doesnt please tell me where you find matches where everyone is running no modules and continueing this conversation with you might be worthwhile now no offence not saying you dont know what your doing but if you would like to try out some different style fits for minmatar then mail me in game maybe i can hook you up with something that will more fit your playstyle thats where most people go wrong is just thinking the strongest suit isthe best suit i do not care how strong your suit is if you get shot in the back and just turn around blasting youll get messed up unless your a heavy sometimes lol

Um, you remember the fact that there is absolutely no reason to ever choose the amarrian scout over the gallente ever right? Yeah, totally crying there.

Uhh... I am not aware of any amarrians protesting the TTK changes. Oh, maybe you mean protesting the fact that now the scrambler rifle doesn't have enough damage to kill a heavy before overheat? Or that our overheat amount didn't get changed? Or maybe the fact that 2 out of 3 amarrian weapons are only competitive using one suit (that has a broken bonus right now?)

Please enlighten me. Maybe use some math, some proof, something other than bullsh-t?

Cal assault 1148 ehp vs minmatar assault at 1016 eHP if you brick tank both, with the minmatar assault being almost 0.5 m/sec faster, 0.7 m/sec faster sprinter, double the stamina regen, more stamina, faster hacking, more fitting left over, and a very useful bonus (the cal assault only has the EHP, thats it.) Minmatar assault >>> Caldari assault.



So, minmatar suits are all 0.2m/sec faster than cal/gal suits, and 0.4 m/sec faster than amarr suits. This translates into a 0.24 m/sec increase over those suits. In the case of sentinel and commandos, that is roughly a 6% difference, or the equivelent of a basic kinetic catalyzer.

Jumping is incredibly useful, ever try using an amarrian suit versus it's counterparts? Notice how terrain is much more difficult to navigate? Of course not, why would you want to have even the appearance of impartiality.

Strafing most definately is not negated by aim assists. This is a bullsh-t statement and you know it.

Hacking is incredibly useful in all game mods but ambush, and even then it might be (enemy vehicle, supply depot). To say otherwise is to lie.

Nova knife damage w/ and w/o minmitard bonus:
Std 360 vs 450
Adv 600 vs 750
Pro 800 vs 1000

I would say it makes a difference at ALL levels. Of course you wouldn't though, because no advantage is ever to great for minmatards.

Uhhh... no weapon kills as fastand consistently as HMG or CR. See PC. No rifle does more damage per trigger pull (not even close actually). Once again, just ignoring facts here aren't you?

Lol "We only have 3 projectile weapons in game" ORLY? How many amarrian weapons in total are in-game?

Stamina regen is incredibly more useful than stamina. IF you can't figure out why, just leave the conversation to the adults then.

Hmm... for some reason, I'm having trouble taking you seriously.


I started another thread on this cuz my post was hecka long, but it explains why your first three points don't really make up for the EHP disparity. The gist of it is:


As Atiim pointed out, hacking it too situational to be considered a "great" bonus, and though all suits have the same number of slots, the layout of the slots on the Minnie assault suit is ridiculous and should be swapped with the Caldari's.

The EHP difference you point out (ranging from between 30 and 90, depending on the suits) is equal to 1 - 2.5 rounds that the other suits can tank over the Minnie suits; taking into account AA and the fact that the relevant projectile travels significantly faster than standard speed + 0.2, the speed bonus isn't that impressive.

Minmatar suits need better shield recharge rates OR timers than caldari.

For ****'s sake, they need SOMETHING.

See this is something I can get behind.

Saying the minmatar suits should have -1 high +1 low compared to caldari makes sense.

Saying shield extenders need to be worth it below prototype, and that all shield extenders need to take more CPU and less PG makes sense.

Saying that stun-locking needs to be toned down makes sense.

Saying minmatar suits are the worst in-game is just insulting because it isn't true. There is no evidence to back this assertion up, and no one even attempts to provide any.

[quote=Magnus Amadeuss][quote=Lynn Beck]

For... .2 m/s speed and a bonus for 'stand and deliver' tactics?

The thing is though. They ARE worse.

Gallente scout is currently the best 'speed tanker'
Amarr sentinel is the best sentinel for doing sentinel things.
Caldari assault (bonuses aside) is the best at... Assaulting.

Minmatar gets... Rep tool bonus?
Hacking bonus?
A bonus that doesn't support the 'ht n run' playstyle for assault?

Seriously. We lose 100 Hp, AND shield rgen/timers... AND PG.

For... .2 m/s speed and a bonus for 'stand and deliver' tactics?

Nope, not the Minmatar thang.

Our Assaults need a better layout 4H 4L
Suit Bonuses need to include our explosive weapons.

Armour Rep is gallante we are hit and run, we should take eithercaldari rep speed OR shield delay and swap it with ours.
Its hardly fair they have a moderate tank, +plus lowest shield delay +highest shield rep rate.

so are minmataar suits udnerpowered when thier medium frames move as fast as scouts form other races????

Now since Mimi suits are by far the weakest of all , with the exception of heavy suits ... it has dawned to me that they should have the 1HP armor repair replaced back into the fold for Mimi's .

To give it to the race that armor tanks , has the greatest ability to armor rep and have max armor seems kind of like an overkill .
Series Gal suits in the five hundreds in armor while Mimi suits lack in every department with the exception of speed .

Weak shields in this game leaves that in want , only two low slots , for the most part leaves this race in a most unfortunate disposition . Only the heavy suits can truly compete .

Assaults , Logi's and of course basic suits find themselves on the lower end of the totem pole and this must be corrected .

The only thing that they truly had going for them was the HP repair and now that's gone , which makes these suits performance far below the rest .. when before it could have been argued that this was the case but at least they had the regenerative HP going for them .

Players can say that they are doing fine but for the most part , this race is in desperate need of some fine tuning .

Everyone doesn't have the skill points to compete and without having a full infantry refund , some who would have used the redistribution of their skill points to make their character better on the battlefield now are at a greater disadvantage because those who were fortunate to have two to three prototype suits replenished their campaign , while those who were in need of a boost remained on the outside looking in .

Please give them back their regenerative HP boost . Gal's are strong enough but their compatriots on the battlefield are lacking and lacking greatly .

Of course because they can't have more eHP while being faster and running longer and regen faster and hacking faster while having the most cpu...... while their weapons use the least fitting...... and do the most DPS and sustained DPS without overheating......

Okay, and what's a Mimi?