My Scout after all the editing and fixing has about 300 Total EHP now and cost about 140k-180k depending on the weapon. Most of the time i get popped by either a Commando or Heavy with still enough HP left to kill me again.. lol

Cloak activates, shields go to zero.

Cloak de-activates, shields recover at normal rate after normal delay.

I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination.

I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react.

Give scouts a 400% damage modifier when attacking someone from behind, and we have a deal.

Cloak activates, shields go to zero.

Cloak de-activates, shields recover at normal rate after normal delay.

A cloaky scout should not be your go to guy for attacking other players..

I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination.

I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react.

You may not understand it, but

When a scout with more EHP than me who still has a cloak can shoot while still being cloaked. Its rather game-breaking, why do you think.
1) Half the Community had an Uprising about the original cloak implementation
2) CCP changed the implementation and removedmthe orginal negative of firimg under cloaking
3) the cloak now allows the original implementation that CCP promised to get rid of, WITHOUT THE PENALTY

Cloak activates, shields go to zero.

Cloak de-activates, shields recover at normal rate after normal delay.

Give scouts a 400% damage modifier when attacking someone from behind, and we have a deal.

The good scouts never needed a cloak in the first place to be effective, regardless of the eHP deficit.

Just sayin'.

And you aren't reading the full post. Scouts shouldn't be able to tank and get 900eHP. At least not scout s with a cloak equipped. That's why in the past I've proposed a 50% reduction in armor and shield mod efficacy while cloaks are equipped. The problem is brick tanking scouts, not cloaked paper thin scouts.

True. But only the very best scouts in the past could deal with medium and heavy players of less skills. The argument that since djinn marauder, for example, were good-great, excuse me-that the scout suit was okay holds no water. And the irony is that many of those scouts pre 1.8 were heavily tanked to compete. The cloak is so that scouts can compete without sacrificing speed and stealth without the need for brick tanking. People who brick tank AND cloak are the ones breaking the game

My concern is that cloaks should be used to get into a favorable position and begin fighting the enemy or to escape. It shouldn't be used as an instant assassination tool or to instantly get a lead in the fight. It is exactly why there is a delay between cloak and stab in TF2.

That delay would allow you to have a couple different builds as well. Go damps and precision so you can uncloak directly on top of someone and they will not know you are there. Go tank and decloak farther away and charge them. They will see you on radar if they have good scanning but the extra HP will that fact.

I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination.

I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react.

In that case the cloak should grant complete invisibilty at least while walking. The cloak currently is pretty balanced you gain some camouflage while not being able to hold a weapon. And the 1 sec it takes to switch to weapon is enough to get most scouts killed with most weapons...

After all it is not difficult to see cloaked scouts its just the majority of players are mindlessly rushing from a to be without paying attention whats happening left or right of them...

Oh well guess people will just have to



















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Cloak activates, shields go to zero.

Cloak de-activates, shields recover at normal rate after normal delay.

I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination.

I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react.

No its both the statement is just as game breaking without him having more EHP.
You can tank whatever you feel like +cloak +equipmemt +weaponry

The implementation of cloaks is not what we were promised that fact that guy has 900EHP incase he mucks up is just icing on the cake.
You seem to miss my point though.

CCP orginally designed with cloak allowing you to fire a weapon while cloaked, the shot would drain the rest of the shields energy meaning you couldn't recloak for at least 10secs afterwards. The community said this was a bad idea.

CCP then changed the cloak, so the only thing you could do without deactivating your cloak was hack. They also removed the penalty of firing while under the effects of the cloak. If the current version was on purpose do you not think CCP would have left that penalty in?

At the moment you can fire, cloak, fire again, cloak again. We want that fixed. Most people want a slight delay so you at least have a chance to react, even if your almost guaranteed to die, kts better than just suddenly falling to the floor dead.