As stated in title. Why do scouts need a free complex dampener with their cloak?

This only encourages brick tanking.

It doesn't even make sense realistically. A cloak would bend visible light waves, not radar waves or other forms of scanning.

That way if a scout wants to dodge scans and eyes, he has to sacrifice a little bit more tank.

As stated in title. Why do scouts need a free complex dampener with their cloak?

This only encourages brick tanking.

It doesn't even make sense realistically. A cloak would bend visible light waves, not radar waves or other forms of scanning.

That way if a scout wants to dodge scans and eyes, he has to sacrifice a little bit more tank.

cloak
kl+Ö-èk
noun
noun: cloak; plural noun: cloaks
1.
something serving to hide or disguise something.
"preparations had taken place under a cloak of secrecy"
synonyms:cover, screen, mask, blind, front, camouflage, shield, veneer;

Well... from a physics point of view, radar is light so...

Well... from a physics point of view, radar is light so...

Cloaks don't bend any waves outside the visible light spectrum.

And only because I am a nerd and not because I think that the way our current tech works should affect my space man game thousands of years in the future; but do we use traditional 'radar' in New Eden/Dust ?

Provide a source from DUST which confirms this.

EVE doesn't count, its cloak mechanics are different. We aren't the same kind of immortal as a Capsuleer, and while much of our tech is based on the same principles, the details behind certain items are different enough that the cloak could easily have a similar change in functionality when used within atmosphere and a gravity well.

Dont bash the topic please. The cloaks are new and awesome and fun, I know mines proto on a Cal.. But we need to be honest about their strengths and weaknesses. This may also incorporate something like Enhancing Assault suit precision a bit eh? Currently they have very high suit scans and thus are blind, unless you have a scout in your squad, like a Caldari with triple precision mods......

Perhaps the dampening on cloaks should tier, for example base cloak 10% dampening, adv cloak 20% dampening, and complex complex 25% dampening. This would help in sacrificing your fit more for higher dampening percentages.

Well obviously I can't say one way or another for sure because this is based in a fictional, highly advanced universe. But if indeed scanning equipment uses some sort of electromagnetic wave to detect things, then the usual counter to this is to coat the target in a material which absorbs electromagnetic waves, instead of refracting them. Not really something you can activate and deactivate on will.

As stated in title. Why do scouts need a free complex dampener with their cloak?

This only encourages brick tanking.

It doesn't even make sense realistically. A cloak would bend visible light waves, not radar waves or other forms of scanning.

That way if a scout wants to dodge scans and eyes, he has to sacrifice a little bit more tank.

The usual MODERN technique for dealing with electromagnetic sensors is to use a coating which absorbs rather than reflecting (not refracting) MOST OF THE WAVES, not all of them. Another approach is to construct the stealth vehicle with angles that are designed to reflect the majority of the sensor's radiation in directions other than where a sensor is likely to be.

Even using BOTH of these approaches, stealth planes are frequently picked up on radar, because while this REDUCES their visibility, it doesn't completely hide them altogether.

Even modern stealth technology REDUCES THE PROFILE OF THE STEALTH ITEM. Why would a futuristic powered solution be so different?

So what, when a scout activates his cloak, he simultaneously coats himself is a more absorptive material, and his suit transforms to construct angles that disperse waves?

I'm not gonna argue semantics, my post was really more about balance than arguing how a cloaking device would work in a futuristic civilization.

Also re-+fract
ri-êfrakt/
verb
verb: refract; 3rd person present: refracts; past tense: refracted; past participle: refracted; gerund or present participle: refracting

1.
(of water, air, or glass) make (a ray of light) change direction when it enters at an angle.

I can use refract if I want to

Edited quote to remove offensive language. Thanks for that.

Refraction is where light ( or other electromagnetic wave) ENTERS an object and an angle. Reflection is where it REBOUNDS from the object rather than passing through it. Refract only applies when the light is passing through the object, NOT when it's bouncing off the object. The definition you provided is correct. Your use of the word is still incorrect. Before trying to use facts to prove someone wrong, make sure your facts don't prove them right instead.

As for your attempted argument, no that wasn't even remotely relevant to what I said at all. I said that modern stealth technology makes stealthed objects less visible to scanning devices, and asked why a significantly more advanced stealth technology should be expected NOT to do the same thing. I never suggested in any way that the cloak uses the same mechanism as modern stealth to achieve that result.

So pretty much my entire response to your post is "lrn2ingrish".

Yes modern technology does makes things less visible to scanning devices. But here we are talking about a device, which upon activation, both bends light waves around itself, and makes it less visible to scanning. But only upon activation. If you expect technology in the future to work in a similar fashion as it does today, this seems highly unlikely.

Well obviously I can't say one way or another for sure because this is based in a fictional, highly advanced universe. But if indeed scanning equipment uses some sort of electromagnetic wave to detect things, then the usual counter to this is to coat the target in a material which absorbs electromagnetic waves, instead of refracting them. Not really something you can activate and deactivate on will.

If you expect technolog in the future to work in a similar fashion to how it does today, then you expect scanners to rely primarily on electromagnetic radiation.

Light is a form of electromagnetic radiation.

A device designed to primarily distort light around an object to conceal it should reasonably be expected to have a similar (though lesser) effect on other forms of electromagnetic radiation.

Hence why it reduces your scan profile by such a small amount while reducing your visibility significantly more (but still not rendering you properly invisible)

I see your point, and it is a valid one.

But only if it is indeed based off bending the waves, and not some form of invisibility. Like a million tiny screens that project whatever is behind them from a million tiny cameras.

The usual MODERN technique for dealing with electromagnetic sensors is to use a coating which absorbs rather than reflecting (not refracting) MOST OF THE WAVES, not all of them. Another approach is to construct the stealth vehicle with angles that are designed to reflect the majority of the sensor's radiation in directions other than where a sensor is likely to be.

Even using BOTH of these approaches, stealth planes are frequently picked up on radar, because while this REDUCES their visibility, it doesn't completely hide them altogether.

Even modern stealth technology REDUCES THE PROFILE OF THE STEALTH ITEM. Why would a futuristic powered solution be so different?

As stated in title. Why do scouts need a free complex dampener with their cloak?

This only encourages brick tanking.

It doesn't even make sense realistically. A cloak would bend visible light waves, not radar waves or other forms of scanning.

That way if a scout wants to dodge scans and eyes, he has to sacrifice a little bit more tank.