With the cloak and the new ttk the scouts took the role of the assaults. the medium dropsuits with this patch are almost useless. Changing the way the cloak works is important to bring the scouts to their real position and to make them better assaults than the assaults.

the game needs all the roles to blayed best with its class.
with 1.8 logis are not assaults anymore like before but now are the scouts.

With the cloak and the new ttk the scouts took the role of the assaults. the medium dropsuits with this patch are almost useless. Changing the way the cloak works is important to bring the scouts to their real position and to make them better assaults than the assaults.

the game needs all the roles to blayed best with its class.
with 1.8 logis are not assaults anymore like before but now are the scouts.

Cloak is a must and should not be removed. It need to be repaired, not Nerf.

What is cloak for? What is scout for?
Scout is to sneak behind enemy lines and to: drop uplinks, scan the enemies, hack objectives fast.

Cloak need charge up time to start and at least 2 sec delay before changing to weapon, means cloke down and stuck for two sec before using the weapon. Means no cloaked scouts shoot unseen.
Cloak must be used with other equipment without drop down the cloak field. Like that cloaked scouts will drop uplinks, will hack objectives, will drop proxies and so on unseen and behind enemies lines. But will not be able to shoot. They to be stuck for 2 sec uncooked after switch to weapon from cloaked. This will stop invisible killers and will bring scouts to their role.

Also need some

Cloaks are fine. Only thing that would make it better is that if getting hurt from weapon damage would make you decloak.

If you get hurt from fall damage, you would shimmer violently for like a second and then go back to normal.

Other than that, they're fine in my opinion (other than the fact that slight movement results in a full shimmer but whatever).

Decloaking from damage is bad. Decloaking from fluxes is good.

Decloaking from damage is bad. Decloaking from fluxes is good.

what's the difference?

Cloaks are fine. Only thing that would make it better is that if getting hurt from weapon damage would make you decloak.

If you get hurt from fall damage, you would shimmer violently for like a second and then go back to normal.

Other than that, they're fine in my opinion (other than the fact that slight movement results in a full shimmer but whatever).

Decloaking from damage is bad. Decloaking from fluxes is good.

The fact that you think cloaks are "fine" despite the fireing a OHK weapon like a shotgun while still being cloaked is BROKEN.

And the fact that YOU think its ok tells me the "type" of player that you are.

What do you call a player that defends a broken weapon or mechanic?
Yeah.

Firing a Shotgun while cloaked requires you to get into Shotgun range without the other person seeing you. When cloaked players are so clearly visible while moving, this means you only used the cloak as a dampener, or "your" victim was actually only a victim of their own lack of attention.

Yes because nobody ever got a kill with shotgun before cloaks

Although cloak to shotgun makes it a lot less easier, the fact somebody can camp a console completely invisible and 1 shot a person who runs down to hack is completely insane. Requires no skill, is completely undefeatable and is just clearly broken.

Cloak is a must and should not be removed. It need to be repaired, not Nerf.

What is cloak for? What is scout for?
Scout is to sneak behind enemy lines and to: drop uplinks, scan the enemies, hack objectives fast.

Cloak need charge up time to start and at least 2 sec delay before changing to weapon, means cloke down and stuck for two sec before using the weapon. Means no cloaked scouts shoot unseen.
Cloak must be used with other equipment without drop down the cloak field. Like that cloaked scouts will drop uplinks, will hack objectives, will drop proxies and so on unseen and behind enemies lines. But will not be able to shoot. They to be stuck for 2 sec uncooked after switch to weapon from cloaked. This will stop invisible killers and will bring scouts to their role.

Also need some

The only thing you said that I would agree with is some kind of time duration you'd not be able to fire your weapon after uncloaking. As in Eve there is a 10-15 second delay from when you uncloak to when you can use your weapon. In a game like Dust 10-15 seconds would be far too long, but you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Scout suit + cloak + shotgun is far too easy mode at the moment. Its the new FOTM. We all know it, most of us anticipated it.

Honestly giving people a few more weeks to adapt before changing things would be a better idea though.

1. Rebalance medium suits. At the moment, Logis are both the equipment users AND the adaptable combat suits. Logis should be the equipment users and Assaults should be the adaptable combat suits. Reduce slots on Logis and add them to Assaults, but give Logis a buff to HP to help offset the loss of adaptability. Add PG and CPU so that Assaults can be fitted effectively, because right now, they struggle with that more often than they should.

2. Teach the people complaining about cloaks to actually use their eyes. You can see cloaked enemies if you know what to look for. If you're alert and competent, you're only likely to miss them in situations where you wouldn't see a good Scout anyway.

There was never any problem with Scouts, but there is a problem with Medium suits, and that problem is primarily that Assaults are underpowered.

I, a true logi player, think this is how it should have been from the beginning, making the logi a support that is able to take some hits and assault the true versatile main combat suit. I have suggested this a few times but it seems no one cares about assaults at all.

this is not that easy as you make it sound.

first on some areas the ambient color and light level makes it very hard to notice.
and second you can get off ~3 shotgun shots off during the "decloak".

but there is a problem now. before scouts were not able to touch the domain of the assault because the assault could simply get more ehp. I dont think that scouts were supposed to have that much health.

The fact that you think cloaks are "fine" despite the fireing a OHK weapon like a shotgun while still being cloaked is BROKEN.

And the fact that YOU think its ok tells me the "type" of player that you are.

What do you call a player that defends a broken weapon or mechanic?
Yeah.

Agreed , also the fact that since flux grenades are suppose to disrupt electrical devices a flux should do the same to the cloak .

If not cause a person to de-cloak , it should at least cause a rapid use of cloaking power ... which in case , causes the timer to speed up and cause the user to de-cloak sooner than normal ... not an immediate de-cloak but causing the circle timer to move faster than normal which causes the user to have to de-cloak sooner .

Either that or an immediate de-cloak and they should take on damage without resistance while taking fire . The cloak should not act as to make the user impervious to weapons fire , since it doesn't make them invulnerable and neither should it .

It's not a shield hardener .

It's time that when new content is introduced that these issues are discussed before time so as not to have some in the community to misuse or corrupt these newly developed tools . This might also cut down on possible bugs and hot-fix times where that energy could be used to solve existing issues . It's nice to have DEV's make post before patch releases but more time is needed to discuss matters that plague the game once the patch is released . I believe more feedback is needed , along with more time to discuss new material and content ... so that these issues can be put to rest instead of being re-occurring problems . This might lead to much more smoother releases with less issues .

Some of these matters should be no brainers and go along with existing content like Flux grenades and their effect on cloaked adversaries , Remote Explosives being used like grenades ... sometimes sliding on surfaces and sometime sticking and leaving no clear user defining implementation of this tool . Does it stick and if so how is it able to slide on certain surfaces ???

We as the members of the community need to speak about these things and not just have our thoughts placed as numerous ideals on a forum page , to not even be considered or even thought about . It's clear in some cases that the powers that be already have an ideal of what they are going to do but let the community voice their views , only to do what they have planned to begin with .. taking no cue's from the suggestions and questions put in place by the community , only to re-visit what the community said and to implement some of the said suggestions because of unseen issues by them but seen by the community .

When you switch to a weapon, you decloak and emit a loud noise. I'm not sure how fast the enemy is able to see you in the decloak animation, but the sound is still there.

To be fair, while I'm told it's quite a loud noise for the user, it's actually fairly subtle for people witnessing the cloaked players. It's not a loud noise to the person getting shot. That's one thing I think needs a slight (ONLY SLIGHT) tweak.

And the decloak animation takes long enough for someone fast to get 2 Shotgun rounds onto a target, but as you said, if you got that close without them seeing you, either you wouldn't have been seen without the cloak, or they weren't paying attention.

I'm a bit of a newberry at the whole Dust experience...... 3mil SP and on the whole still running Militia gear so EVERYTHING seems OP to me! I'm kind of enjoying myself and at the moment want to keep grinding away. I'm therefore not well versed in the ongoing back and forth issues with balance and can therefore only comment on how the game is playing for me at this moment in time.

I don't think scouts, cloaks or shotguns are OP or unbalanced at the moment but I do think the scout, shotgun, cloak as a combination is. High Speed, Wide Scanner Radius, OHK ability and zero visibility on most scanners seems to me to be too much of a win, win, win, win combo. I know that they are lower on HP etc but armour modules appear, on the whole, to make that almost a non problem.

I'd like to see the need to specialise fits more become the way around these problems. Rather than nerfing, boosting, anything make it down to choice and play style by pushing people towards certain fits.

For example.
If someone is running a cloaked, heavily damped scout, then great, but loose them their shotgun. Sidearms and knives only giving you a silent stealth assassin type character. They have speed/ electronic and optical stealth/ good situational awareness but less firepower, although still a OHK with knives.

If they want the shotgun then they loose the cloak but can still run full dampeners and precision mods meaning that they are still unscannable by 90% of other players have great situational awareness and speed but need to think more about sneaking around. They have speed, electronic stealth and the ability to OHK but have to pick and choose their sneak attacks more carefully / out manoeuvre their targets. These guys make active scanners more important again.

If you want to run a shotgun wielding armour tanked scout then fine for that too but you loose the cloak and dampening meaning that you are visible and more scannable but can take and dish out a lot of damage.

Maybe high SP well built Proto players can run the shotgun cloak combo?

This would then also make other classes more relevant again. Need to attack a defended objective? Tweak the assault suit slightly so that it can, for example, run a Mass Driver and a Shotgun/SMG combo (maybe too much I admit....) but then they are ideal for area denial and clearing up stragglers without overlapping a scout or being able to engage at long range. Commando's could then sit in the middle of the two with the ability to operate a bit more stealthily behind enemy lines, dropping uplinks etc but with less firepower than an assault but more stealth and less stealth than a scout but more, and more varied firepower.