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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6272	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:09:00 - [1] - Quote I know people like mollerz, Draxus, Sinboto, and Moody are going to disagree, but with the Slot Layout changes, Lowered Scan Profile, Active Scanner 'nerf', and the addition of cloaks, their is no denying it. You have everything (and more) you requested before 1.8. Heck, the only things that threaten Scouts are Mass Drivers, HMGs, and people with great eyesight and reflexes. Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 966	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:11:00 - [2] - Quote Yup, Scouts are Dust 514's black people... Guess we better get back in our place! Damn uppity Scouts!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4866	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:12:00 - [3] - Quote No. Just no. I'am in the most UP suit in the game (Minmatar Assault), and if I can fight them then so can you. Scouts are not OP. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
mollerz 3099	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:13:00 - [4] - Quote The sarcasm just drips... Thumbs up You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6272	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:14:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No. Just no. I'am in the most UP suit in the game (Minmatar Assault), and if I can fight them then so can you. Scouts are not OP. Really dude?.... The joke is, that "op" actually means "on par". Not "overpowered". The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 18	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:15:00 - [6] - Quote I have terrible eyesight, and I can see cloaked scouts just fine when they move...so I don't see that as much of an issue...(especially since the targeting reticle still turns red when aiming at them) Although I do agree that brickfits, scan profile, and especially shotguns (did they get buffed while I wasn't looking?) make them extremely powerful...
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4966	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:15:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know people like mollerz, Draxus, Sinboto, and Moody are going to disagree, but with the Slot Layout changes, Lowered Scan Profile, Active Scanner 'nerf', and the addition of cloaks, their is no denying it. You have everything (and more) you requested before 1.8. Heck, the only things that threaten Scouts are Mass Drivers, HMGs, and people with great eyesight and reflexes. Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? Nope. Look, at most cloaks need a cooldown after you drop cloak before you can cloak up again. I also actually think Active Scanners should work similar to HRV in Blacklight, wherein you hold down the button for scans. This way you can tap it for snapshot scans, or hold it down for longer ones, but you still have to wait for a full charge to activated it. You can stop it from being abused by requiring the user to hold the scanner in one direction for enough time to actually get the scan return, so spinning around with it will get you nothing. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
mollerz 3101	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:19:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Atiim wrote: I know people like mollerz, Draxus, Sinboto, and Moody are going to disagree, but with the Slot Layout changes, Lowered Scan Profile, Active Scanner 'nerf', and the addition of cloaks, their is no denying it. You have everything (and more) you requested before 1.8. Heck, the only things that threaten Scouts are Mass Drivers, HMGs, and people with great eyesight and reflexes. Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? Nope. Look, at most cloaks need a cooldown after you drop cloak before you can cloak up again. no no no no. and no. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 263	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:19:00 - [9] - Quote On the internet almost no one can hear you're sarcasm. Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4868	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:19:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No. Just no. I'am in the most UP suit in the game (Minmatar Assault), and if I can fight them then so can you. Scouts are not OP. Really dude?.... The joke is, that "op" actually means "on par". Not "overpowered". What are you trying to say stranger? Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ

Llast 326 An Arkhos 2694	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:19:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? This is quality word smithing right here KRRROOOOOOM
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4868	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:20:00 - [12] - Quote Callidus Vanus wrote: On the internet almost no one can hear you're sarcasm. Unless you use italics like writers have used since at least the 19th century. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6279	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:20:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: What are you trying to say stranger? That Scouts are finally on par with the other frames, and anyone who says otherwise needs to uninstall DUST. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 11	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:22:00 - [14] - Quote Cloakers with shotguns are starting to **** me off,i cant be a logi without them constantly killing me I don't know how to run facepalm epic fail
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5560	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:22:00 - [15] - Quote It's true I can go toe to toe with mid frames! JUST like I could last patch, but better! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7872	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:23:00 - [16] - Quote I dunno man. My Gallente Ghost suit is dominating. I go top of the score board without breaking a sweat. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6279	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:24:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Callidus Vanus wrote: On the internet almost no one can hear you're sarcasm. Unless you use italics like writers have used since at least the 19th century. But that makes it obvious. The best troll threads, are the ones that require you to actually read the post to see if it's a troll or not. That, and you get to see a funny reaction from people who only read the title. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7872	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:24:00 - [18] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: It's true I can go toe to toe with mid frames! JUST like I could last patch, but better! I did it last patch, just that I had to be smarter with how I approach it in exchange for my stealthiness and speed. Now I exchange nothing really... My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4868	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:26:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: What are you trying to say stranger? That Scouts are finally on par with the other frames, and anyone who says otherwise needs to uninstall DUST. If you're going to say something At+»m just say it. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6279	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:27:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I dunno man. My Gallente Ghost suit is dominating. I go top of the score board without breaking a sweat. Didn't you also say that you can maintain a high K/D in a Shield suit? (Caldari?), and grab 20+ Kills with the Laser Rifle in 1.6? Perhaps it's the player that needs nerfing? The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7873	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:31:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I dunno man. My Gallente Ghost suit is dominating. I go top of the score board without breaking a sweat. Didn't you also say that you can maintain a high K/D in a Shield suit? (Caldari?), and grab 20+ Kills with the Laser Rifle in 1.6? Perhaps it's the player that needs nerfing? Well, the thing is that I'm doing a lot better than my assault suit can dream of ever doing. And I can build my scout to fill the assault role and still be objectively better. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 169	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:32:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know people like mollerz, Draxus, Sinboto, and Moody are going to disagree, but with the Slot Layout changes, Lowered Scan Profile, Active Scanner 'nerf', and the addition of cloaks, their is no denying it. You have everything (and more) you requested before 1.8. Heck, the only things that threaten Scouts are Mass Drivers, HMGs, and people with great eyesight and reflexes. Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? If tankers taught scouts anything it's to Deny deny deny. Scouts had it rough and now think they deserve easy mode, who will disagree when scouts are having so much fun. No one wants to go back to skill being a determining factor in winning gun battles. Scouts got a nice boost in 1.8 - they were a little down but still viable and with new slots and extra equipment slot and more race options, the scout was poised for a good showing before cloaks were added to the equation. Very few people will acknowledge scouts, only cloaks, are UP because there's a history of nerf hammer being to the extreme. It's simply a matter to remove cloaks, scouts will be just fine without them.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1052	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:35:00 - [23] - Quote That thinkng may be true of the other scouts OP. There is very little need to compromise their suits But look at the Min scout. Its not in the same boat as them. It has a fair slot layout but the suits systems mean its very hard to tank so you have to eWar. And in that regard it can't compete with the other 2 major contenders Amarr scout is supposed to tank. Thats kinda the whole point of it. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 252	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:35:00 - [24] - Quote Scouts are fine where they are at. The problem comes from pubs when you fight scouts that know what they are doing. They use tatics and teamwork and appear OP bc you and your squad refuse to find a way to counter them. You could make the claim that Heavies and logibros are OP when they sit on an objective, under cover, and you only shoot the heavy that is getting repaired. There are counters to scouts. Nobody is even attempting to run those suit builds atm bc they are more worried about total HP and , "OMG I can't 360 scan anymore!!! The scanner is junk bc I didn't want to specialize into scanners!!!!" People don't realize FOTM is FOTM bc very few people attempt to run the counter FOTM until it is too late. With that said small tweaks may be needed but for the most part the players' inability to adapt is to blame. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7873	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:40:00 - [25] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Scouts are fine where they are at. The problem comes from pubs when you fight scouts that know what they are doing. They use tatics and teamwork and appear OP bc you and your squad refuse to find a way to counter them. You could make the claim that Heavies and logibros are OP when they sit on an objective, under cover, and you only shoot the heavy that is getting repaired. There are counters to scouts. Nobody is even attempting to run those suit builds atm bc they are more worried about total HP and , "OMG I can't 360 scan anymore!!! The scanner is junk bc I didn't want to specialize into scanners!!!!" People don't realize FOTM is FOTM bc very few people attempt to run the counter FOTM until it is too late. With that said small tweaks may be needed but for the most part the players' inability to adapt is to blame. The counter to scouts is a Caldari scout. I don't think that helps things. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 249	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:44:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know people like mollerz, Draxus, Sinboto, and Moody are going to disagree, but with the Slot Layout changes, Lowered Scan Profile, Active Scanner 'nerf', and the addition of cloaks, their is no denying it. You have everything (and more) you requested before 1.8. Heck, the only things that threaten Scouts are Mass Drivers, HMGs, and people with great eyesight and reflexes. Your on par with other frames now. Can you cut the QQ and finally admit your OP? If they're on par with other frames then how are they OP? I sense a biased post... Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 253	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:49:00 - [27] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: That thinkng may be true of the other scouts OP. There is very little need to compromise their suits But look at the Min scout. Its not in the same boat as them. It has a fair slot layout but the suits systems mean its very hard to tank so you have to eWar. And in that regard it can't compete with the other 2 major contenders Amarr scout is supposed to tank. Thats kinda the whole point of it. Minmatar is built for speed. Speed tanking is another type of playstyle. One of my corpmates has recently started playing Dust again after 1.8 and has had the best time he's had on Dust. He didn't know what suit to run but wanted speed/survivability. So I mentioned the Minmatar Sentinel (which most people think is junk). I told him how I would personally build it with Kinetic Catalyzers and Damage Mods. He absolutely loves it and is scary fast. Nothing like flanking an enemy with a Sentinel wielding a HMG. No one expects it which has made for some "lol", how the **** did that heavy get here so quick, moments. Nothing quite like seeing the look on their face when they realize they were run down by a heavy. I only run 1 Enhanced Armor Plate on my Minmatar Logi and now I have to figure out a new loadout just to keep up with my Heavy Minmatar brother. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 253	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:51:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Scouts are fine where they are at. The problem comes from pubs when you fight scouts that know what they are doing. They use tatics and teamwork and appear OP bc you and your squad refuse to find a way to counter them. You could make the claim that Heavies and logibros are OP when they sit on an objective, under cover, and you only shoot the heavy that is getting repaired. There are counters to scouts. Nobody is even attempting to run those suit builds atm bc they are more worried about total HP and , "OMG I can't 360 scan anymore!!! The scanner is junk bc I didn't want to specialize into scanners!!!!" People don't realize FOTM is FOTM bc very few people attempt to run the counter FOTM until it is too late. With that said small tweaks may be needed but for the most part the players' inability to adapt is to blame. The counter to scouts is a Caldari scout. I don't think that helps things. One of the counters.....there are others if you get creative. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 673	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:14:00 - [29] - Quote Its not all scouts, just gallente and its not all guns, just shotguns "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 681	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:21:00 - [30] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Cloakers with shotguns are starting to ** me off,i cant be a logi without them constantly killing me I feel the same as a commando. There is a cloaked scout shotgunning me from behind 5-12 times a match. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole**



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