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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:39:00 -
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Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3122
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:49:00 -
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It can not be emphasized enough that as a community we should be aware of the line between the game and real life and always respect that line when it comes to topics such as harassment and real-life threats.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
194
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:23:00 -
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Harassment is not cool, thats all folks. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
2388
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:37:00 -
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I totally agree. In game is one thing, you don't screw with someone's personal life though
If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub
Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good.
Proud member of RND
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
260
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:21:00 -
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gg.
its good to havge fun. but every ones defeniton of fun is diffrent for some it is anoyying other players to the point of anoyyance or rage. to the victim that is not fun and to them is harrasment,
people must be aware of this fine line between fun and harasment.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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Solitar Stormwatch
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:22:00 -
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Does that mean that I cannot call the Gallente dirty, filthy frogs that are the skidmark on the underpants of New Eden :( In all reality don't harass players out of the game.
Proud Caldari Loyalist, I stare at those 4 eyes with a smirk as I get taken down. For The State and her allies o7
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1801
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:57:00 -
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It is greatly appreciated CCP has made a statement on this issue.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2014.03.29 05:06:00 -
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My corp has a policy of RESPECT. Trash-talking is fine, it's part of any game, but we don't take it too far. We play it to HAVE FUN. If we get bored or frustrated, we quit, and come back later.
I fight for Caldari, and will call my corpmates that fight for Gallente "Frogs", but in the end, we remember that we are just playing a game. I'm not insulting them, or their parents, or whatever, I'm insulting the in-game faction they fight for.
It's about time CCP has done something about this, though. However, I have one question: Trash-talking is allowed, as long as it's only insulting their in-game stuff, right? Because, if not, I'll have to revise my corps rules.
I don't need luck, I have a cloak.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.03.29 05:40:00 -
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 Salutations! I am daring to add my charcter's name to the front end of this thread, because I want to be counted as one of the members in the New Eden playground who openly applauds what CCP has announced here.
In the Dust forums alone, it's clear to see that there are always some numbers in the community (any community I guess) who disturb the party mood by deliberately trying to provoke real-world social harassment, or who just naturally carry socially-hurtful ideas inside them wherever they go, or who just have the compulsion to see a rule and want to break it. Many, MANY other gaming creators before Dust have set up clear "Rules" about harassing behavior too, and posted perfunctorily stern "warnings" against rule-breakers.
I'm among the players who argue that, against all but the most extreme harassers, those rules and warnings on those sites were pretty much impotent, and a continuing percentage of the sensitive-minded players would feel socially victimized and leave the game's community.
EVE Online/Dust 514 is SO bent on "SOCIAL" being the tool to accomplishing things between capsuleers (and the strategic planner for the team-driven combat between mercs) that this game stands to suffer arguably more damage than those other games, if CCP allows its social forum interaction to be interferred with by any amount of real-world (noob, jihad, homosexual, any etc) harassment. I was hoping that the creators might decide to make a new Mission Statement or declaration, to let players know that Dust's game developers plan to protect their investment.
So I am groovy-glad to see CCP make this statement, and potentially start a quiet DED-style, direct-enforcement war on this subject. Dust 514 has been the most bold-positioning, controversially experimental, forward-aiming, debate-causing, gutsy, and evolution-minded "Shooter-game" I've ever encountered in my social gaming life. I have my fingers crossed that CCP can be the one who starts the evolution in online game forums, where the forum is STRONGLY PROTECTED by social guidelines that no longer permit the 3 options of "follow the rules", "skirt the rules", "screw the rules and log back on with a new character ID",... and instead will make players feel they're stuck with TWO real options: Be truly sociable, or Be wormholed out of the forum entirely.
The issue of forum harassment is THAT important. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1394
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Posted - 2014.03.29 05:57:00 -
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For those wondering, this blog, and the following debates that broke out all over the EVE forums, is what spurred CCP to make this announcement.
Suffice to say, I am absolutely disgusted by it, and I'm glad CCP is making a stance on it.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Mar. 22nd
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
3911
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:07:00 -
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I support this message.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1066
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:31:00 -
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So the DDoS attacks will cease?
Or will they increase?
And so it goes.
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Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
384
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Posted - 2014.03.29 07:29:00 -
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Has CCP made any previous announcement regarding real life and/or extraordinary harassment?
Pineapples on pizza.
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DAMIOS82
WarRavens Auxiliaries
League of Infamy
90
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:08:00 -
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Well it's one thing to play the pirate and it's another to be one. CCP has always encouraged criminal behaviour within their game or atleast not in the beginning to such an extend. Yes there has always been scams and such, but the minor punishments where there. However at one point i believe ccp just gave up the struggle and simply allowed it under the mum of piracy or the words welcome to EVE. For the last few years players have complained about the scams beeing out of controll and yet still ccp does nothing about it or atleast not much. Sure you say what you say, that you don't aprove of it effecting reall life, etc. Sure it might be true, but lets face reality your just covering your own ass, no offence.
If you encourage criminal behaviour within the game, it is logicall that reality will follow. It is an endless debate, but aslong as nothing really changes, don't expect people to change either. For there are no rules in EVE that can stop me from talking a guy into suicide or scamming him untill he become so frustrated that he kills his wife and children. hell i'm just bored and evil so why not. Sounds harsh doesn't it, but the reality is that yes you might monitor the chat's and forum's, but you cannot controll what happens beyond those means. Yes you might swing the banhammer, but those can be circumvented by creating new characters, etc. and there are no other means in eve that stop me from doing those things other then someone else complaining about it. But hey it's not possible for them to complain if there dead or in jail.
I agree it should not effect reall life, but it always does. If i where a new player in EVE and i see someone announce a great deal on the chat, i would think ow a trading game, maybe i can get a great deal. The most naturall way of thinking is that all humans want to improve there way of living thrue all means necessary. So it's logicall that that behaviour carries on into the game aswell. However if it then turns out to be a scam, who knows what happens in my reall life, who knows how many hours of crap i had to take just to buy that one plex, not to mention the monthly fee's. So that 1 drop in the bucket could be all that is needed to make me go haywire. The truth is simple, noboddy likes to be scammed or be victimized by it and where specially not paying ccp to experience such an experience. One could argue it's there own fault, but let's face fact's, not everybody can be as smart as you or see what's is infront of them.
In how far ccp can ennact controll over these type of things is yet to be seen. However allowing scamming to be constantly announced on chat's is just the beginning to something more worse in my oppinion.
Let's just hope CCP learns from EVE on how it's not suppose to be done and make's sure Dust 514 or World of Darkness does not end the same way. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
1169
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:23:00 -
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Enkidu Camuel
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
167
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:43:00 -
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Makes me wonder... how many IRL death threats The Mittani has recieved because of EVE.
Major DUST fact.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
2784
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:22:00 -
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im glad this has been address and a line drawn :), i for one know i should probably tone down my matagame on kain :P as in RL he is nice guy :P just man in eve dude your like a monster or somthing :P
its just a game fokes and im glad CCP has taken a few steps to reinforce that
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
1149
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:59:00 -
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its one thing i found really nice about eve. players can be the most aggressive in every way towards your character in game but when you meet them in RL at events like fanfest you will never meet a bunch of better men and woman.
players just have to understand the difference and know when in game abuse turns to RL abuse
"The Mittani" fell foul to ccp because he took ingame abuse out into RL
at the end of the day its just a game
I will logi the s* out of you
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
5383
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:29:00 -
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Still think we need a CPSA feature that forces people to pay ISK in order to mail you
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KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ
Lokun Listamenn
141
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:56:00 -
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I think this is a sad reflection about the state of society today that this statement needed to be made. At the end of the day we are playing a GAME and that is all we are here to do. People should be allowed to do whatever they please in the game to a certain extent as long as it does not involve anything on a personal level and does not spill over into people's lives outside the game.
I think CCP need to do more than they currently do in terms of curbing any real-life harassment that is connected to either Dust or Eve. The act of harassing a person in real-life is not only morally reprehensible, it is illegal. I think CCP should be consulting with the authorities with regard to such things. If someone is harassing someone else in real-life is it punishment enough to just suspend or delete their game account? I don't believe it is!
Where I come from, harassment is a serious crime and if found guilty of any form of harassment then you would face several years in prison, a very costly legal bill and an extremely costly compensation payment to the victim.
I think if there is proof of real-life harassment of any kind then it is the duty of CCP to go to the relevant authorities in whatever country to put a stop to it once and for all.
Most of society today has sunk to level of being "keyboard warriors" and IMO there are way too many of those kind of people out there today. They say and do things on the internet as if it will have no effect on anyone's wellbeing or peace of mind. These keyboard warriors are the same people who would not open their mouths to someone in person for fear of the repercussions. Bullying or harassing someone via the Internet is the same as the school bully who plays up in front of his/her friends but when they are alone they are a very different person indeed just like the keyboard warrior who is all talk from behind his/her keyboard but wouldn't dare to say the same things to someone's face.
I have no time for such people and I think their practice of harassing people from behind a monitor needs to be stamped out. It starts with each and every one of us. These people need to be shown that their ways will not be tolerated on any level. They need to be shown that their actions have real consequences and I think this is where CCP need to step it up.
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Criteria Shipment
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
750
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:57:00 -
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It's been 2 years and you finally come up with this?
GG
Goodbye, world!
(püú-ÿ+í-ÿ-é)
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2065
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:28:00 -
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Haven't seen much harassment in this game (serious and based on real life), but I loved this post.
Harassment is wrong. |
Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
478
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Posted - 2014.03.29 17:32:00 -
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Props to CCP for the addressing the topic.
I'll give my positive support to my fellow Mercs any day and I will not tolerate abuse of my mates. :)
Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
The Space Hippie
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highimgay 123456
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:01:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Harassment is not cool, thats all folks.
How much can you really be harrassed by an eve nerd? Pffft get real, such sissys today, seriously? |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
960
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:45:00 -
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highimgay 123456 wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Harassment is not cool, thats all folks. How much can you really be harrassed by an eve nerd? Pffft get real, such sissys today, seriously?
people have been driven to suicide over internet harassment and bullying, you bosh'tet.
I don't need luck, I have a cloak.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
5384
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:35:00 -
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highimgay 123456 wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Harassment is not cool, thats all folks. How much can you really be harrassed by an eve nerd? Pffft get real, such sissys today, seriously?
A lot, actually.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:37:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:For those wondering, this blog, and the debates that broke out all over the EVE forums regarding the subject, is what spurred CCP to make this announcement. Suffice to say, I am absolutely disgusted by it, and I'm glad CCP is making a stance on it.
Not to say that this kind of thing is justified or not cruel...
But how the hell do you get into that situation, in the first place?
If you have to go to work but consider your ingame assets more important, you might want to reconsider your priorities in life.
And even then, why would you give a random dude your assets. Especially once those people ask for more and more? |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Proficiency V.
845
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:54:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:For those wondering, this blog, and the debates that broke out all over the EVE forums regarding the subject, is what spurred CCP to make this announcement. Suffice to say, I am absolutely disgusted by it, and I'm glad CCP is making a stance on it.
Torture man... I'm really sorry for that guy.
Wow ... hope CCP bans this guy. Probably a douche IRL aswell...
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
848
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:05:00 -
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As much as I, and many of us, would like a lot more "EVE" in Dust I am occasionally glad there is a governor on it in the current state of the game.
Hopefully we can police ourselves enough to deter most of the asshats that might be in our ranks that would do something as described in Jesters blog.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
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rayakalj9
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:18:00 -
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