DUST Search - Question to my fellow logis

Fraceska wrote:

BrownEye1129 wrote:

Sadly yes I read what you write. Wishing I would just skip past it though bc you are not understanding.

1. You are not the only logi on the damn map.
2. Other suits Assualt/Scout/Commando can help with equip drops if really need be
3. Since when has having the best equipment to spam ever been a "True Logi"
4. B4 the change 1 Logi Suit dropping the BEST equipment was OP period.

Please explain to me how there was really any difference between the logis pre 1.8. Get off your throne KING LOGI. We never should have been able to use another races tech better than said race. AGAIN just to get this point across we logis should have never been able to run the battle like we did! Equipment still needs a limit per clone so you can't grab a suit loaded with hives and drop them in one spot.

1. Maybe not, but the question now is when you're in a public match do you coordinate with all other logi suits to maximize benefits? One of each. Do you group all logi's into one squad? Or do you just stay in your squad chat and play with the other 5 members without worrying what the others are doing?

2. That is not really the point. Sure they can use equipment as well but it is not a factor of their role in many cases. The concept of logistics is to support those around you.

3. It is not about the best spam. It is about using each of your tools in an intelligent manner. Not dropping the links around the CRU or in high places. But in support of your squad. The ammo to be used strategically. In a heated fight unless I'm in a caldari suit the chances are my nanos will not be able to resupply them all fast enough. It comes down to efficiency of equipment. To support others.

4. And all 4 best equipment made each death cost 250k ISK for all that equipment. One bad match you could lose over a million ISK. With black and yellow being shot first there is a trade off. No other suit has to run as much pro gear as we do.

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J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 279	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:48:00 - [31] - Quote Fraceska wrote: What did you do? I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? I went on an alt and started playing scout. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 232	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:48:00 - [32] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: So you cannot hide behide a crate repping someone from 12 m away unless you are a min logi. So you cannot resupply and repair a squad with proto hives unless you are a caldari. Those are the only two major changes to the logi efficiency calculations. The uplinks and scanner changes affected everyone, but only logis got skills to counter those changes. So pick which one is most important to you and spec that one. Every other suit in the game has to make choices about what the want out of their role, and logis get that choice as well. He honestly can't man! He wants to be the best of the best with everything. CCP just needs to give this guy a "GOD SUIT" already so he can stfu with his, "My logi isn't the best with all the equipment anymore waaa waaa waaa" BS" LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:55:00 - [33] - Quote The logistics role is the greatest of the SP sinks. To be able to use each piece of equipment will require to skill into all 4 racial suits. I'm half way there. To take a logistics suit from 0 to 5 requires close to 2 mil SP. To get medium armor from 0 to 3 requires about 400k SP. The equipment is a one time investment as each suit can use them all, yet if I want to rep as good as I can in my gal suit I need to start using pro gear or be less efficient. Then there is the ISK considerations for each skill book and each fitting for those roles. What other suit requires such investment to get the most out of the equipment they are required to use?
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 932	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:01:00 - [34] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The logistics role is the greatest of the SP sinks. To be able to use each piece of equipment will require to skill into all 4 racial suits. What other suit requires such investment to get the most out of the equipment they are required to use? Look, there are two very different points being made here. In the first, you say that you need to spec four different suits to use equipment. That is completely false. There is no loss in a Gallente logi running a rep tool, a needle, a drop uplink or a hive. They do not get the same bonus as a Caldari, but they can still use and benefit the team with the off race equipment. The second point, that you need to spec into four suits to get the most out of equipment, is correct, but if you didn't have anything to save SP for than how would CCP sell you boosters? You are crying over nothing, acting like you got screwed. In truth, CCP bumped up certain things, for certain races, while turning down low level gear to make it harder for people to run crap equipment and stack HP. If you want to be a super effective logi and provide all the wonderful services a logi provides, go proto and do it all. Otherwise, stop complaining about not being able to do everything all at once, no body gets that luxury in this game, and logis are spoiled in how much fitting options they have. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3755	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:06:00 - [35] - Quote Fraceska wrote: What did you do? I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? I feel you. My playstyle has been affected as well. I would say you dump that scanner and dump it fast. The way scanners work now, its a waste. Throw a uplink or needle in that extra equipment slot. That's one of the two adjustments I made, I replaced the RR with the GEK (hey, old buddy) and replaced the scans with a repper. Unbelievably, the GEK still got it and is quite effective in the midst of the various changes on the battlefield. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:06:00 - [36] - Quote I don't buy boosters. They got enough money from me. To get the most out of each piece of equipment to use it like once was? Yes you most certainly need all 4 suits otherwise your links and hives won't nearly be as good as they once were. You won't be able to resupply them at a crucial time unless your using the most expensive gear while they are still fulfilling their roles in std/adv. We need to use higher level meta to be able to actually matter now.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 932	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:09:00 - [37] - Quote Fraceska wrote: I don't buy boosters. They got enough money from me. To get the most out of each piece of equipment to use it like once was? Yes you most certainly need all 4 suits otherwise your links and hives won't nearly be as good as they once were. You won't be able to resupply them at a crucial time unless your using the most expensive gear while they are still fulfilling their roles in std/adv. We need to use higher level meta to be able to actually matter now. Hey, I bet you there are a bunch of people who want tanks like they used to be. Same with the old flaylock. The old Duvolle Tac. It isn't happening, and crying about it makes you look like a whiny b*tch. You have to make choices and compromises now, deal with it. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:11:00 - [38] - Quote "I went gallente I can scan like a boss" "OMG OMG fire fight now we see them! Drop hives!" "I did already!" "I'm running out of ammo to soon!" "My rep tools range is limited now! Fall back to me I can't survive in the open!" "Need reps!" Dies trying to get reps in There are many scenarios on how this could play out now.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:15:00 - [39] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Hey, I bet you there are a bunch of people who want tanks like they used to be. Same with the old flaylock. The old Duvolle Tac. It isn't happening, and crying about it makes you look like a whiny b*tch. You have to make choices and compromises now, deal with it. No actually I do not. Discussing the change is not crying about it. The fact is now to do what we once did requires us to operate at higher meta levels and subsequently higher ISK risk to a loss to be meaningful to our team outside our racial bonuses. While they can still use std/adv gear. I question the validity of damaging the logistics role so severely.
Chimichanga66605 Vader's Taco Shack 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:16:00 - [40] - Quote I still got my Mk.0 Logi. Don't bust it out too much because Commando with a Core Rep Tool is EXTREMELY satisfying. "By the love of my skin, I $hit on your nose, so it runs down your chin." -Mozart

GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 933	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:16:00 - [41] - Quote Fraceska wrote: "I went gallente I can scan like a boss" "OMG OMG fire fight now we see them! Drop hives!" "I did already!" "I'm running out of ammo to soon!" "My rep tools range is limited now! Fall back to me I can't survive in the open!" "Need reps!" Dies trying to get reps in There are many scenarios on how this could play out now. Ishukone Gauged hives provide a plentiful amount of ammo, provided you don't need grenades. Can't survive in the open? With anywhere from 700 - 900 hp and active reps you certainly can survive to do your job as a logi. Otherwise learn to strafe bro, and use your heavies as meatshields. I just think you might suck as a logi. You needed equipment to do the work for you instead of doing the work to use the equipment. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 233	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:20:00 - [42] - Quote Fraceska wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Sadly yes I read what you write. Wishing I would just skip past it though bc you are not understanding. 1. You are not the only logi on the damn map. 2. Other suits Assualt/Scout/Commando can help with equip drops if really need be 3. Since when has having the best equipment to spam ever been a "True Logi" 4. B4 the change 1 Logi Suit dropping the BEST equipment was OP period. Please explain to me how there was really any difference between the logis pre 1.8. Get off your throne KING LOGI. We never should have been able to use another races tech better than said race. AGAIN just to get this point across we logis should have never been able to run the battle like we did! Equipment still needs a limit per clone so you can't grab a suit loaded with hives and drop them in one spot. 1. Maybe not, but the question now is when you're in a public match do you coordinate with all other logi suits to maximize benefits? One of each. Do you group all logi's into one squad? Or do you just stay in your squad chat and play with the other 5 members without worrying what the others are doing? 2. That is not really the point. Sure they can use equipment as well but it is not a factor of their role in many cases. The concept of logistics is to support those around you. 3. It is not about the best spam. It is about using each of your tools in an intelligent manner. Not dropping the links around the CRU or in high places. But in support of your squad. The ammo to be used strategically. In a heated fight unless I'm in a caldari suit the chances are my nanos will not be able to resupply them all fast enough. It comes down to efficiency of equipment. To support others. 4. And all 4 best equipment made each death cost 250k ISK for all that equipment. One bad match you could lose over a million ISK. With black and yellow being shot first there is a trade off. No other suit has to run as much pro gear as we do. I can't do this anymore. I will try one more time to get this through your thick head! 1. No bc it is "A PUB"! A PC or FW Q Sync sure. Having one suit be the best with ALL the equipment hurt PC more than PUBs. 2. Ok true but if you relied on you PUB squad a little more you wouldn't have to run all Proto equipment in a damn PUB. 3. If someone runs dry on ammo in the middle of a fire fight it is bc YOU didn't give them ammo until the last second. Horrible strategy. 4. No reason to run PROTO EQUIPMENT IN PUBS!!! Only proto piece of gear I run is a Rep Tool. Amazingly my squads have more than enough ammo. Bc you know what I do in between waves......run my happy ass to the nearest supply depo to restock. Honestly how many pubs have you been where you and your squad sit on a point and have to fight off a non stop stream of enemies? It is a damn PUB usually uncoordinated, hesitate, cowardly, spread out reds. You kill a few and they think twice. Not to mention IDK it's not 16vs6!!! No other suit has to run the amount of gear we do and they don't. There is also no reason for you to be QQ like they nerfed equipment to uselessness unless it's proto! They made logis better not only for PUBs but more so in PC. Where teamwork and coordination really do matter. Up give logis a bad name complaining about this change. OUR SUITS ARE STILL USABLE! What happened when they made changes to the heavy, broke it and now they are finally back where they need to be. CCP finally gets something right, with Logis and you want to complain about it, PLEASE! I guess you really won't like me when I say an 8 maybe, streching it maybe 10 equipment limit is needed per clone. Meaning 1 player can only drop a combined 10 nano/uplinks at one time. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 933	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:22:00 - [43] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The fact is now to do what we once did requires us to operate at higher meta levels and subsequently higher ISK risk to a loss to be meaningful to our team outside our racial bonuses. While they can still use std/adv gear. I question the validity of damaging the logistics role so severely. Logi G/1 series 2x Complex Shield Extenders 2x Basic Armor plate 1x Complex Armor repairer BK 42 Assault Combat Rifle Flux Grenade Any three pieces of proto equipment you want. Adv suit, 700 HP able to rep revive and resupply the team. You can alter that to drop proto links, or scan, or lay hives, etc. All for 100k. It is a bargain. If you can't be effective as a logi in ADV gear, then do something else. The limitations placed on the logi do not grossly impact their ability to perform the general role of support, and the buffs provided to racial types means that each suit has a new niche that now surpasses old performance. So a marginal nerf with a specialist buff. Logis came out ahead, and you act like they got nerfed into uselessness. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 233	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:27:00 - [44] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The logistics role is the greatest of the SP sinks. To be able to use each piece of equipment will require to skill into all 4 racial suits. I'm half way there. To take a logistics suit from 0 to 5 requires close to 2 mil SP. To get medium armor from 0 to 3 requires about 400k SP. The equipment is a one time investment as each suit can use them all, yet if I want to rep as good as I can in my gal suit I need to start using pro gear or be less efficient. Then there is the ISK considerations for each skill book and each fitting for those roles. What other suit requires such investment to get the most out of the equipment they are required to use? Man are you dumb or something! YOU DO NOT NEED AN AMARR SUIT TO RUN UPLINKS OR MINMATAR TO RUN REP OR GALLENTE TO RUN SCANS OR CALADARI TO RUN HIVES! This is only is your fucken head that you need to only drop the best Equip. Let me ask you this Gallente scan or Minmatar Reps bc you can be the best at both simultaneously !!! LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 102	Posted - 2014.03.29 01:30:00 - [45] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The fact is now to do what we once did requires US to operate at higher situational awareness and tactical efficiency levels ... Fixed. MinLogi before, MinLogi now. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 96	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:06:00 - [46] - Quote My minmatar logi fit does very well at providing everything it was meant to. Mk.0 RS-90 Flux armor plates (I don't really remember the plates off hand.) complex armor repairer Shields A45 Quantum K2 Nanohives KIN-90 Injector (adv one(sp?)) Lai Dai flux tool Running all but the uplinks, but the suit was not intended to have uplinks. I have a really cheap suit that can drop about 4 uplinks on the field. CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2532	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:19:00 - [47] - Quote Children, children. No point in turning on one another, the asshats in the other suits are doing enough to us as it is. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:39:00 - [48] - Quote It is not about having the best, it is about being efficient at what we use. To maintain our old levels of ability we need to run proto gear. Yes 100k for a suit is relatively cheap yet the other suits can still do their roles for less, we can't. It wasn't about always using the best gear, it is about needing to use the best gear to be able to be relevant in most situations that arise. The other option is all 4 suits specialized for each role they are to play which is an SP/ISK sink. Do any of you have reading comprehension skills at all? That is what I am questioning. That is what this is about. Not about being the best all the time. I ran adv gear in my logi in 1.7 now to get the same level of efficiency I need to use more proto gear or setup a Minmatar fit (which I've done already). Other suits have an advantage over us as they don't have to rely so much on equipment to fulfill their roles. We do. Much like hearing but not listening. You're reading but not comprehending.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 478	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:57:00 - [49] - Quote Fraceska wrote: What did you do? I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? I went with the exact same logi I had and proceeded to use the equipment that my suit doesn't give bonuses for. Just because I don't get a bonus for using something doesn't mean I'm going to stop using it. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )


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