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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:16:00 -
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My logi gk.0 suit put s it all together very well.
3x Complex Shield Extenders
BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle
Flux Grenade
4x Basic Plate
1 x Complex Armor Repairer
Ishukone Guaged Nanohive
Duvolle Focused Scanner
Wryikomi Nanite Injector
Core Focused Rep Tool
930 eHP
8.25 armor repair a second
Just as slow as the guys I am supporting.
I can even set up a link runner with over 600 stamina, a 9.20 m/s sprint speed and a couple of proto links.
What more could you ask for out of a suit?
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
931
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:28:00 -
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Fraceska wrote: We were required to heal, resupply and provide links in some fashion. That was our role on the field.
And the logi can still do all of that. Other than the Amarr, which really should be using all three slots for its preferred equipment, there is nothing stopping you from running other equipment on a logi suit.
Just because a core focused does not get the min logi bonus on a Gal suit does not mean that it is garbage, or not worth carrying. It is still a core focused rep tool.
The same goes for the rest of the equipment that is outside of your racial spec. Proto hives will still resupply a squad, and quick. A proto needle still provides 80% armor on a revive.
So the role was not taken away, or even really diminished. It allows each racial suit to excel at one thing, while still being able to perform all the other functions of the logi role.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
932
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:42:00 -
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So you cannot hide behide a crate repping someone from 12 m away unless you are a min logi.
So you cannot resupply and repair a squad with proto hives unless you are a caldari.
Those are the only two major changes to the logi efficiency calculations. The uplinks and scanner changes affected everyone, but only logis got skills to counter those changes.
So pick which one is most important to you and spec that one. Every other suit in the game has to make choices about what the want out of their role, and logis get that choice as well.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
932
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:01:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:The logistics role is the greatest of the SP sinks. To be able to use each piece of equipment will require to skill into all 4 racial suits.
What other suit requires such investment to get the most out of the equipment they are required to use?
Look, there are two very different points being made here.
In the first, you say that you need to spec four different suits to use equipment. That is completely false.
There is no loss in a Gallente logi running a rep tool, a needle, a drop uplink or a hive. They do not get the same bonus as a Caldari, but they can still use and benefit the team with the off race equipment.
The second point, that you need to spec into four suits to get the most out of equipment, is correct, but if you didn't have anything to save SP for than how would CCP sell you boosters?
You are crying over nothing, acting like you got screwed. In truth, CCP bumped up certain things, for certain races, while turning down low level gear to make it harder for people to run crap equipment and stack HP.
If you want to be a super effective logi and provide all the wonderful services a logi provides, go proto and do it all. Otherwise, stop complaining about not being able to do everything all at once, no body gets that luxury in this game, and logis are spoiled in how much fitting options they have.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
932
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:09:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:I don't buy boosters. They got enough money from me.
To get the most out of each piece of equipment to use it like once was? Yes you most certainly need all 4 suits otherwise your links and hives won't nearly be as good as they once were. You won't be able to resupply them at a crucial time unless your using the most expensive gear while they are still fulfilling their roles in std/adv. We need to use higher level meta to be able to actually matter now.
Hey, I bet you there are a bunch of people who want tanks like they used to be. Same with the old flaylock. The old Duvolle Tac.
It isn't happening, and crying about it makes you look like a whiny b*tch.
You have to make choices and compromises now, deal with it.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
933
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:16:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:"I went gallente I can scan like a boss"
"OMG OMG fire fight now we see them! Drop hives!"
"I did already!"
"I'm running out of ammo to soon!"
"My rep tools range is limited now! Fall back to me I can't survive in the open!"
"Need reps!"
*Dies trying to get reps in*
There are many scenarios on how this could play out now.
Ishukone Gauged hives provide a plentiful amount of ammo, provided you don't need grenades.
Can't survive in the open? With anywhere from 700 - 900 hp and active reps you certainly can survive to do your job as a logi. Otherwise learn to strafe bro, and use your heavies as meatshields.
I just think you might suck as a logi. You needed equipment to do the work for you instead of doing the work to use the equipment.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
933
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:22:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:
The fact is now to do what we once did requires us to operate at higher meta levels and subsequently higher ISK risk to a loss to be meaningful to our team outside our racial bonuses. While they can still use std/adv gear. I question the validity of damaging the logistics role so severely.
Logi G/1 series
2x Complex Shield Extenders
2x Basic Armor plate
1x Complex Armor repairer
BK 42 Assault Combat Rifle
Flux Grenade
Any three pieces of proto equipment you want.
Adv suit, 700 HP able to rep revive and resupply the team. You can alter that to drop proto links, or scan, or lay hives, etc.
All for 100k. It is a bargain.
If you can't be effective as a logi in ADV gear, then do something else. The limitations placed on the logi do not grossly impact their ability to perform the general role of support, and the buffs provided to racial types means that each suit has a new niche that now surpasses old performance.
So a marginal nerf with a specialist buff. Logis came out ahead, and you act like they got nerfed into uselessness.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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