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Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 573	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:46:00 - [1] - Quote What did you do? I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do?
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 576	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:59:00 - [2] - Quote I already put them in Gallente (got it back to 5) I have so much ISK tied up in fittings it just seemed like a waste. And I got Minmatar Logi to 4. Yeah you need 4 suits to do the job 1 use to. It's frustrating that an entire playstyle has been eliminated from the game.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 576	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote Virtual Riot - 100 meters is not an effective logi for support. Who is repping? Reviving? There is more to being a logi than just slaying others. We are a support role. Now to be an effective support role requires at least 4 different fittings for the suits.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 576	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed. But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 576	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:19:00 - [5] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Fraceska wrote: I already put them in Gallente (got it back to 5) I have so much ISK tied up in fittings it just seemed like a waste. And I got Minmatar Logi to 4. Yeah you need 4 suits to do the job 1 use to. It's frustrating that an entire playstyle has been eliminated from the game. OR You have 15 other teammates to those other jobs GREAT. Not sure what there is to complain about, Scouts have 2 equip slots, assault/commando has one........HOW MUCH EQUIP DO YOU NEED ON THE FIELD BRO! Not seeing how an entire play style has been eliminated......oh Ic bc you can't LOGI BOMB the BEST EQUIPMENT without speccing into a another races suit. Called variety, might as well start QQ about the heavy/commando bonuses being different. P.S. Quit acting like Proto equip is utter garbage, you sound like a spoiled brat. It is about efficiency. No other role required as much equipment as logistics. It defined the role. The other suits were relatively straight forward. It was about either killing the opponent or taking objectives which the other suits could do as well. Yet no other suit could do the role of the logistics suit. We were required to heal, resupply and provide links in some fashion. That was our role on the field. In the middle of fire fights the differences now in the suits makes our role that much harder. We need to always use the best equipment to be close to what we once could do. 4 suits to fill that role. The whole dynamic of the logistics playstyle has been changed. I've played logistics since chromosome and I am rather good at it so I know the role very well.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Do you think with all these changes to how logistics operates that it is actually going to attract new players to the role? To fill in the loss of efficiency those of us who know it have lost? It has become a harder role to play now.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:27:00 - [7] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Fraceska wrote: I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed. But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role. You know what GOOD RIDDENS gtfuh already! No suit should be the best at everything assclown. The change to the logi is for the best. You have proved in this thread you are nothing more than a spoiled kid. Acting like they took away all your equipment slots but 1! There is this idea about dust that it is about "TEAMWORK" believe it or not. Do you even read what I type? It is about the efficiency in which I support my team. My ability to keep them all alive and armed. The hives, the repper and the other tools now require 4 suits and (4x as much SP) as the other roles. Sure a combat role could skill into other suits but for what reason if they like the weapon it is with? You could use a cloak on other suits beyond scout if you want. But the logistics role requires skill as to what to use and when to use it. 4 suits now to fulfill our original role to get the most out of the equipment we skilled into. Everything we do is now reduced unless we are using pro gear to make up for the difference in efficiency which makes running a true logistics suit all the more risky as we are targeted first. Black and yellow is like the red/white of the medical corps. Generally shot first.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:30:00 - [8] - Quote @General - Proto gear to replace the efficiency we lost. And those equipment pieces are not cheap in ISK. Black and Yellow is shot first. So we need to run with our best even in public matches to replace what was lost.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:46:00 - [9] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Sadly yes I read what you write. Wishing I would just skip past it though bc you are not understanding. 1. You are not the only logi on the damn map. 2. Other suits Assualt/Scout/Commando can help with equip drops if really need be 3. Since when has having the best equipment to spam ever been a "True Logi" 4. B4 the change 1 Logi Suit dropping the BEST equipment was OP period. Please explain to me how there was really any difference between the logis pre 1.8. Get off your throne KING LOGI. We never should have been able to use another races tech better than said race. AGAIN just to get this point across we logis should have never been able to run the battle like we did! Equipment still needs a limit per clone so you can't grab a suit loaded with hives and drop them in one spot. 1. Maybe not, but the question now is when you're in a public match do you coordinate with all other logi suits to maximize benefits? One of each. Do you group all logi's into one squad? Or do you just stay in your squad chat and play with the other 5 members without worrying what the others are doing? 2. That is not really the point. Sure they can use equipment as well but it is not a factor of their role in many cases. The concept of logistics is to support those around you. 3. It is not about the best spam. It is about using each of your tools in an intelligent manner. Not dropping the links around the CRU or in high places. But in support of your squad. The ammo to be used strategically. In a heated fight unless I'm in a caldari suit the chances are my nanos will not be able to resupply them all fast enough. It comes down to efficiency of equipment. To support others. 4. And all 4 best equipment made each death cost 250k ISK for all that equipment. One bad match you could lose over a million ISK. With black and yellow being shot first there is a trade off. No other suit has to run as much pro gear as we do.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:55:00 - [10] - Quote The logistics role is the greatest of the SP sinks. To be able to use each piece of equipment will require to skill into all 4 racial suits. I'm half way there. To take a logistics suit from 0 to 5 requires close to 2 mil SP. To get medium armor from 0 to 3 requires about 400k SP. The equipment is a one time investment as each suit can use them all, yet if I want to rep as good as I can in my gal suit I need to start using pro gear or be less efficient. Then there is the ISK considerations for each skill book and each fitting for those roles. What other suit requires such investment to get the most out of the equipment they are required to use?

Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:06:00 - [11] - Quote I don't buy boosters. They got enough money from me. To get the most out of each piece of equipment to use it like once was? Yes you most certainly need all 4 suits otherwise your links and hives won't nearly be as good as they once were. You won't be able to resupply them at a crucial time unless your using the most expensive gear while they are still fulfilling their roles in std/adv. We need to use higher level meta to be able to actually matter now.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:11:00 - [12] - Quote "I went gallente I can scan like a boss" "OMG OMG fire fight now we see them! Drop hives!" "I did already!" "I'm running out of ammo to soon!" "My rep tools range is limited now! Fall back to me I can't survive in the open!" "Need reps!" Dies trying to get reps in There are many scenarios on how this could play out now.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:15:00 - [13] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Hey, I bet you there are a bunch of people who want tanks like they used to be. Same with the old flaylock. The old Duvolle Tac. It isn't happening, and crying about it makes you look like a whiny b*tch. You have to make choices and compromises now, deal with it. No actually I do not. Discussing the change is not crying about it. The fact is now to do what we once did requires us to operate at higher meta levels and subsequently higher ISK risk to a loss to be meaningful to our team outside our racial bonuses. While they can still use std/adv gear. I question the validity of damaging the logistics role so severely.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 580	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:39:00 - [14] - Quote It is not about having the best, it is about being efficient at what we use. To maintain our old levels of ability we need to run proto gear. Yes 100k for a suit is relatively cheap yet the other suits can still do their roles for less, we can't. It wasn't about always using the best gear, it is about needing to use the best gear to be able to be relevant in most situations that arise. The other option is all 4 suits specialized for each role they are to play which is an SP/ISK sink. Do any of you have reading comprehension skills at all? That is what I am questioning. That is what this is about. Not about being the best all the time. I ran adv gear in my logi in 1.7 now to get the same level of efficiency I need to use more proto gear or setup a Minmatar fit (which I've done already). Other suits have an advantage over us as they don't have to rely so much on equipment to fulfill their roles. We do. Much like hearing but not listening. You're reading but not comprehending.

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