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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:46:00 -
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What did you do?
I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? |
Doc Browner
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
226
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:55:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:What did you do?
I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do?
you will need more than one LOGI suit to be effective and Gallente doesn't seem to be one of them. To be honest it's the worst of he group. CCP nerfed the scanners for you but not the vehicles so there is really no point skilling into Gallente.
Minmatar is perfect for WP's but running with a squad you might consider Amarr If you want to go AV or support an AV Squad then the Caldari would be my choice Never the less save your SP for More suits. As if the logi role wasn't expensive enough now it's a SP drain also
I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:59:00 -
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I already put them in Gallente (got it back to 5) I have so much ISK tied up in fittings it just seemed like a waste. And I got Minmatar Logi to 4. Yeah you need 4 suits to do the job 1 use to. It's frustrating that an entire playstyle has been eliminated from the game. |
Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
254
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:02:00 -
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Doc Browner wrote:Fraceska wrote:What did you do?
I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? you will need more than one LOGI suit to be effective and Gallente doesn't seem to be one of them. To be honest it's the worst of he group. CCP nerfed the scanners for you but not the vehicles so there is really no point skilling into Gallente. Minmatar is perfect for WP's but running with a squad you might consider Amarr If you want to go AV or support an AV Squad then the Caldari would be my choice Never the less save your SP for More suits. As if the logi role wasn't expensive enough now it's a SP drain also
yeah ummm... about that
Scanners are now a squad based equipment, and since no one runs them anymore because everyone thinks they suck, scans are now even more valuable. What is better than seeing you enemy through walls . I have gallente logi 5, and ill tell you what I do I throw a TAC AR on that bad boy put a pro flux scanner on it
sit 100m away and scan for days, dropping uplinks at the rear guard of the squad in case we get pushed back I top leaderboards almost every match now, and I dont even die because i'm so far back. 360 scans were op, now it takes investment and SP to use effectively. Scanners are still the most powerful piece of equipment imo. |
Tupni
Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad.
81
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:03:00 -
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To deserve this or in response to this? I'm not sure which way you mean.
To deserve this I don't know, kicking it around as an Amarr logi with a laser rifle for all those patches where nobody would touch either of those things was pretty much punishment enough for anything. I did try to make up for lost time with 1.7-1.8 but that's hardly a crime.
In response to this? I'm trying to capitalize on the popular opinion that the game needs a full respec given that next to nothing was left unaffected by the changes CCP has made to the game and playstyles have been fundamentally altered and I'm trying to help push for such a respec by stirring things up on the forums by posting in topics like these huehue.
Otherwise I'm doing the same old thing enjoying how I now have less armor rep, less shield, more armor but then more things that kill armor. It's nice that the laser rifle works in close quarters, though you're still better off with a rail rifle... The return of mass drivers is a little rough, but it hasn't really caught on yet thankfully. |
BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
231
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:05:00 -
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I was thinking Mini Logi b4 the update and I'm a mini Logi after the update and will forever be a Mini Logi. Proto rep tool, STD nanohives and needles on my pub ADV suit. I rep great and can revive and have crap nanos for those rainy days. The other logi suits do a fine job dropping uplinks and hives down for every one.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:06:00 -
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Virtual Riot - 100 meters is not an effective logi for support. Who is repping? Reviving? There is more to being a logi than just slaying others. We are a support role. Now to be an effective support role requires at least 4 different fittings for the suits. |
Patrick57
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
6284
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:08:00 -
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I used all my fits before 1.8. |
Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
255
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:10:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Virtual Riot - 100 meters is not an effective logi for support. Who is repping? Reviving? There is more to being a logi than just slaying others. We are a support role. Now to be an effective support role requires at least 4 different fittings for the suits.
My role on the battlefield is not being a "traditional" close quarters healer support. Leave that to the caldari and min logis.
My role is providing vision, picking off stray targets, and protecting the rear, so we have something to fall back too, which happens often.
hugging heavies is not my job, I dont even fit a rep tool. |
Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
255
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:11:00 -
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granted its pretty **** without a squad, but I am invaluable amongst my comrades. |
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:14:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:I already put them in Gallente (got it back to 5) I have so much ISK tied up in fittings it just seemed like a waste. And I got Minmatar Logi to 4. Yeah you need 4 suits to do the job 1 use to. It's frustrating that an entire playstyle has been eliminated from the game.
OR You have 15 other teammates to those other jobs GREAT. Not sure what there is to complain about, Scouts have 2 equip slots, assault/commando has one........HOW MUCH EQUIP DO YOU NEED ON THE FIELD BRO! Not seeing how an entire play style has been eliminated......oh Ic bc you can't LOGI BOMB the BEST EQUIPMENT without speccing into a another races suit. Called variety, might as well start QQ about the heavy/commando bonuses being different.
P.S. Quit acting like Proto equip is utter garbage, you sound like a spoiled brat.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:15:00 -
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I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role. |
GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
931
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:16:00 -
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My logi gk.0 suit put s it all together very well.
3x Complex Shield Extenders
BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle Flux Grenade
4x Basic Plate 1 x Complex Armor Repairer
Ishukone Guaged Nanohive Duvolle Focused Scanner Wryikomi Nanite Injector Core Focused Rep Tool
930 eHP 8.25 armor repair a second
Just as slow as the guys I am supporting.
I can even set up a link runner with over 600 stamina, a 9.20 m/s sprint speed and a couple of proto links.
What more could you ask for out of a suit?
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:17:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Virtual Riot - 100 meters is not an effective logi for support. Who is repping? Reviving? There is more to being a logi than just slaying others. We are a support role. Now to be an effective support role requires at least 4 different fittings for the suits.
MAYBE if you WAS the ONLY LOGI in the battle..........
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:19:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Fraceska wrote:I already put them in Gallente (got it back to 5) I have so much ISK tied up in fittings it just seemed like a waste. And I got Minmatar Logi to 4. Yeah you need 4 suits to do the job 1 use to. It's frustrating that an entire playstyle has been eliminated from the game. OR You have 15 other teammates to those other jobs GREAT. Not sure what there is to complain about, Scouts have 2 equip slots, assault/commando has one........HOW MUCH EQUIP DO YOU NEED ON THE FIELD BRO! Not seeing how an entire play style has been eliminated......oh Ic bc you can't LOGI BOMB the BEST EQUIPMENT without speccing into a another races suit. Called variety, might as well start QQ about the heavy/commando bonuses being different. P.S. Quit acting like Proto equip is utter garbage, you sound like a spoiled brat.
It is about efficiency. No other role required as much equipment as logistics. It defined the role. The other suits were relatively straight forward. It was about either killing the opponent or taking objectives which the other suits could do as well. Yet no other suit could do the role of the logistics suit. We were required to heal, resupply and provide links in some fashion. That was our role on the field.
In the middle of fire fights the differences now in the suits makes our role that much harder. We need to always use the best equipment to be close to what we once could do. 4 suits to fill that role. The whole dynamic of the logistics playstyle has been changed. I've played logistics since chromosome and I am rather good at it so I know the role very well. |
Virtual Riot
Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
256
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:19:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role.
If anything it adds real variety to the game
whats the point of skilling into something when everyone can do anything (1.7)
Now when a logi joins the squad its "oh you're an Amarr logi? Cool I wonder how faster uplinks will work out". Not "eh thats cool, I can do what you do on my logi suit too". |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
622
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:20:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:What did you do?
I had a gallente suit and pro gear. With the rep tool at 5, nano at 5, and scanner only to 3. The ISK I have tied up into my current fittings if I chose to go Minmatar for the Rep bonus I no longer can use those suits. The entirety of my playstyle is now gone. So I ask again what did each of you do? I went Minmatar logi.
But the thing i find is really strange is....i can survive 2-3x as long in my MLT fits then i can in my Pro logi fits. It's as if logis got secretly nerfed or something.
I game over like a boss.
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
577
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:21:00 -
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Do you think with all these changes to how logistics operates that it is actually going to attract new players to the role? To fill in the loss of efficiency those of us who know it have lost? It has become a harder role to play now. |
Skullmiser Vulcansu
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
75
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:21:00 -
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I am still using my Amarr logistics suit in exactly the same way was before. I have uplinks, and dual purpose nanohives, and a repair tool. I have my laser rifle for far away things, and a sidearm for close things. The most painful thing for me has been the change for scrambler pistols. It's the only weapon that I got to prototype level, or even advanced level. I'm trying to use the Ion Pistol now with mixed results. Indeed I have no consolation for the loss of my Scrambler pistol.
I don't mind so much the decrease in range for the repair tools, but the nanite capacity in the hives is pretty terrible if it isn't prototype level or deployed by a Caldari.
If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:23:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role.
You know what GOOD RIDDENS gtfuh already! No suit should be the best at everything assclown. The change to the logi is for the best. You have proved in this thread you are nothing more than a spoiled kid. Acting like they took away all your equipment slots but 1! There is this idea about dust that it is about "TEAMWORK" believe it or not.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:26:00 -
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Virtual Riot wrote:Fraceska wrote:I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role. If anything it adds real variety to the game whats the point of skilling into something when everyone can do anything (1.7) Now when a logi joins the squad its "oh you're an Amarr logi? Cool I wonder how faster uplinks will work out". Not "eh thats cool, I can do what you do on my logi suit too".
At least someone else gets it.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2056
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:26:00 -
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You can still do all those things WITHOUT the bonus.
I still place hives, needles, and reps on mines. That's on my bro fit. On my initial one, I have uplinks, scanners, and hives, I think?
Still do well. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
577
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:27:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Fraceska wrote:I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role. You know what GOOD RIDDENS gtfuh already! No suit should be the best at everything assclown. The change to the logi is for the best. You have proved in this thread you are nothing more than a spoiled kid. Acting like they took away all your equipment slots but 1! There is this idea about dust that it is about "TEAMWORK" believe it or not.
Do you even read what I type?
It is about the efficiency in which I support my team. My ability to keep them all alive and armed. The hives, the repper and the other tools now require 4 suits and (4x as much SP) as the other roles. Sure a combat role could skill into other suits but for what reason if they like the weapon it is with? You could use a cloak on other suits beyond scout if you want. But the logistics role requires skill as to what to use and when to use it. 4 suits now to fulfill our original role to get the most out of the equipment we skilled into.
Everything we do is now reduced unless we are using pro gear to make up for the difference in efficiency which makes running a true logistics suit all the more risky as we are targeted first. Black and yellow is like the red/white of the medical corps. Generally shot first. |
GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
931
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:28:00 -
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Fraceska wrote: We were required to heal, resupply and provide links in some fashion. That was our role on the field.
And the logi can still do all of that. Other than the Amarr, which really should be using all three slots for its preferred equipment, there is nothing stopping you from running other equipment on a logi suit.
Just because a core focused does not get the min logi bonus on a Gal suit does not mean that it is garbage, or not worth carrying. It is still a core focused rep tool.
The same goes for the rest of the equipment that is outside of your racial spec. Proto hives will still resupply a squad, and quick. A proto needle still provides 80% armor on a revive.
So the role was not taken away, or even really diminished. It allows each racial suit to excel at one thing, while still being able to perform all the other functions of the logi role.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
580
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:30:00 -
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@General - Proto gear to replace the efficiency we lost. And those equipment pieces are not cheap in ISK. Black and Yellow is shot first. So we need to run with our best even in public matches to replace what was lost. |
BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:40:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:Fraceska wrote:I have a similar fitting but at 250k ISK it's not worth using in terms of the best of the Gallente fitting. I have an adv fitting for the Minmatar that I am using now as well. I was never much for uplinks (don't think I even have the skill trained) so probably won't do Amarr. May go into Caldari because I did use Hives as needed.
But that's my point. The playstyle I once had is now gone. I need 4 suits to do what I use to do. I was tempted to quit and walk away from Dust with what they did to the role. You know what GOOD RIDDENS gtfuh already! No suit should be the best at everything assclown. The change to the logi is for the best. You have proved in this thread you are nothing more than a spoiled kid. Acting like they took away all your equipment slots but 1! There is this idea about dust that it is about "TEAMWORK" believe it or not. Do you even read what I type? It is about the efficiency in which I support my team. My ability to keep them all alive and armed. The hives, the repper and the other tools now require 4 suits and (4x as much SP) as the other roles. Sure a combat role could skill into other suits but for what reason if they like the weapon it is with? You could use a cloak on other suits beyond scout if you want. But the logistics role requires skill as to what to use and when to use it. 4 suits now to fulfill our original role to get the most out of the equipment we skilled into. Everything we do is now reduced unless we are using pro gear to make up for the difference in efficiency which makes running a true logistics suit all the more risky as we are targeted first. Black and yellow is like the red/white of the medical corps. Generally shot first.
Sadly yes I read what you write. Wishing I would just skip past it though bc you are not understanding.
1. You are not the only logi on the damn map. 2. Other suits Assualt/Scout/Commando can help with equip drops if really need be 3. Since when has having the best equipment to spam ever been a "True Logi" 4. B4 the change 1 Logi Suit dropping the BEST equipment was OP period.
Please explain to me how there was really any difference between the logis pre 1.8. Get off your throne KING LOGI. We never should have been able to use another races tech better than said race. AGAIN just to get this point across we logis should have never been able to run the battle like we did! Equipment still needs a limit per clone so you can't grab a suit loaded with hives and drop them in one spot.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
932
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:42:00 -
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So you cannot hide behide a crate repping someone from 12 m away unless you are a min logi.
So you cannot resupply and repair a squad with proto hives unless you are a caldari.
Those are the only two major changes to the logi efficiency calculations. The uplinks and scanner changes affected everyone, but only logis got skills to counter those changes.
So pick which one is most important to you and spec that one. Every other suit in the game has to make choices about what the want out of their role, and logis get that choice as well.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2922
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:42:00 -
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I switched my Amarr logi for the min logi.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Dust on the ps4 asap please
I'll behave
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
232
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:45:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:@General - Proto gear to replace the efficiency we lost. And those equipment pieces are not cheap in ISK. Black and Yellow is shot first. So we need to run with our best even in public matches to replace what was lost.
If you feel you "NEED" to run all proto equipment in a pub bc you have never heard of "Teamwork" well that is your own problem.
LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
580
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:46:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Sadly yes I read what you write. Wishing I would just skip past it though bc you are not understanding.
1. You are not the only logi on the damn map. 2. Other suits Assualt/Scout/Commando can help with equip drops if really need be 3. Since when has having the best equipment to spam ever been a "True Logi" 4. B4 the change 1 Logi Suit dropping the BEST equipment was OP period.
Please explain to me how there was really any difference between the logis pre 1.8. Get off your throne KING LOGI. We never should have been able to use another races tech better than said race. AGAIN just to get this point across we logis should have never been able to run the battle like we did! Equipment still needs a limit per clone so you can't grab a suit loaded with hives and drop them in one spot.
1. Maybe not, but the question now is when you're in a public match do you coordinate with all other logi suits to maximize benefits? One of each. Do you group all logi's into one squad? Or do you just stay in your squad chat and play with the other 5 members without worrying what the others are doing?
2. That is not really the point. Sure they can use equipment as well but it is not a factor of their role in many cases. The concept of logistics is to support those around you.
3. It is not about the best spam. It is about using each of your tools in an intelligent manner. Not dropping the links around the CRU or in high places. But in support of your squad. The ammo to be used strategically. In a heated fight unless I'm in a caldari suit the chances are my nanos will not be able to resupply them all fast enough. It comes down to efficiency of equipment. To support others.
4. And all 4 best equipment made each death cost 250k ISK for all that equipment. One bad match you could lose over a million ISK. With black and yellow being shot first there is a trade off. No other suit has to run as much pro gear as we do. |
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