The only thing OP about it is that you can switch weapons and shoot while the cloak is still wearing off. With a high alpha weapon, that sometimes means your target is dead before you are fully uncloaked.

All they need to do is make it so you can only decloak by pressing the fire button (and no other actions), or make it so that any other actions, i.e. melee, grenade throwing, or switching to weapons/equipment is preceded by the decloak animation (which is mandatory) before the action can be performed. That way you are fully visible before performing any offensive actions and hence if you decloak in front of someone, they can see you and shoot you before you can shoot them.

The only thing OP about it is that you can switch weapons and shoot while the cloak is still wearing off. With a high alpha weapon, that sometimes means your target is dead before you are fully uncloaked.

All they need to do is make it so you can only decloak by pressing the fire button (and no other actions), or make it so that any other actions, i.e. melee, grenade throwing, or switching to weapons/equipment is preceded by the decloak animation (which is mandatory) before the action can be performed. That way you are fully visible before performing any offensive actions and hence if you decloak in front of someone, they can see you and shoot you before you can shoot them.

This.

The SG was considered perfectly fine, maybe even UP considering all the hit-detection issues (which still exist, by the way) until the cloak was introduced.

There's no reason to touch the SG, which hasn't changed AT ALL, when people are really just mad about the cloak issues.

i'm undecided. ask me again in a month.

i'm shocked no one is qqing about the scout with a mass driver, though.

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what if they are behind you :)

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i'm undecided. ask me again in a month.

i'm shocked no one is qqing about the scout with a mass driver, though.

This.

The SG was considered perfectly fine, maybe even UP considering all the hit-detection issues (which still exist, by the way) until the cloak was introduced.

There's no reason to touch the SG, which hasn't changed AT ALL, when people are really just mad about the cloak issues.

After talking today with some scouts in my squad i learned that there is no big deference in damage between the militia and the prototype shotgun. You need 3 shots for a heavy with each one of them the only difference is they target has more health left between the shots. Smart scouts are running the basic one its the best balance between price/damage/CPU/PG.

Nerfing the shotgun is a must but on a smart way so its not useless.

Ideas

1. Reduce the ROF and increase it by tier.

2. Make the basic Magazine to have one shell and increase the shells by tier.

The basic idea behind that is that the tier of the shotgun has to play a role like an all the other weapons.

is it too powerful? with the new cloak feature, is it now the FOTM. if so, how should we address it?


try to take into consideration what effects any nerfs / buffs will have on not only the shotgun, but everything related to it. basically, try and resist those two words entirely :) "nerf" and "buff".

OPTION 2

Another way we can fix shotguns (Lesbereal this is about cloak scouts and qqing medium frames because no one in their right mind would rather shoot a full health heavy over a full health teir 1 medium frame.)

You can have a given range where every enemy instantly pops up on the minimap ( 10 m would be good ) A fast reacting player could kill the rushing scout.
Or the scout could, out of pure experience know how far 10 m is and gauge when he has to start sprinting so he could close that ground before someone reacts. The Kinetic Catalyzers help you run faster, or Profile Dampeners that reduce the range and accuracy, and taking more pings to spot someone.

This would also become an instant part of game strat' adding diversity to suits and allowing Spotters to become a distinct role on the battlefield, using Range Amplifier modules to increase the range to something like 50m or maybe even 100m in a certain radius, like in front of you
It'd have to be set in 5 second pings that can be offset by Precision Enhancers which would increase the ping count per minute ) Well anyways you should probably do both just to be safe

It is a fact every SG user knows that it is cheaper in ISK and CPU/PG to have the Basic SG.

You need 3 hits(not Shots) with any SG to kill any infantry target.

Before 1.8 a player had to have skill to get close with a shotgun.Thats why we didn't see any problem with the SG.

There is a big deference in all weapons between tier 1 and tier 4 except the SG.

Tell me if i am wrong anywhere (talking to pre1.8scouts who are still scouts and can tell the difference)

Well as a pretty adept scout, I'd say the cloaks are a well needed tool for the scouts, as it allows us to flank much easier. Thus making the scout viable in combat. I KNOW for a fact that many people who have never used the cloak HATE the fact that scouts can now kill them, but if you HAVE used the cloak you know that it is NOT an instant win button. It REQUIRES you to be smart and cautious to not give away your position etc. I believe that the cloaks are well needed and are near perfect, but the adv and proto shotgun need buffs ( more ammo, more dam, faster rof, etc). I personally the scouts are balanced, and that the old scanners need to come back, to give you heavies, log is, and assaults a way to detect scouts.

Reducing the rate of fire? Yea... any decrease in ROF will result in death for the scout, and the death of the shotgun. It's slow enough as it is. One shell is a terrible idea. The breach is good, but if you miss one shot, you'll have to switch to your sidearm, which alerts those with ears and a brain to know where it's coming from. People really need to develop an awareness... OP this, OP that, just learn to play the game people...