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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1937	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:40:00 - [1] - Quote it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. Anime > EVERYTHING
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1103	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:42:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed I need my cloak when I don't run any tanking mods. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3666	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:44:00 - [3] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. But it's the scout's own fault for being detected, they must pay the ultimate price for getting caught.
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 194	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:45:00 - [4] - Quote The force is strong in this one.... Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO "Now you see me, now you don't......but next time you see me, shotgun to the face!"
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2091	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:52:00 - [5] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. to borrow the scout mantra: are your eye UP. Use situational awareness. pooh pooh. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1938	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:58:00 - [6] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. to borrow the scout mantra: are your eye UP. Use situational awareness. pooh pooh. please word this better, because i have no idea what you're talking about. Anime > EVERYTHING
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3667	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:09:00 - [7] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: to borrow the scout mantra: are your eye UP. Use situational awareness. pooh pooh. please word this better, because i have no idea what you're talking about. I think he's saying that the scout's using cloaks should follow the situational awareness code and know how to not get caught.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:24:00 - [8] - Quote I think fluxes knocking out cloaks is pretty reasonable. Cloaks need viable counters, more than straight nerfs. To me that is the more interesting type of gameplay: strong tactics with strong counter-tactics. Best PvE idea ever!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7818	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:33:00 - [9] - Quote /me points at 50hp/s regen /me points at lowest delays in the game lolno Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4635	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:36:00 - [10] - Quote And what if disabling the cloak would leave your shields intact? If you're NOT cloaked, shields go down, and you can activate a cloak to try and escape if you have one. If you ARE cloaked, then you become visible, but you don't lose shields. I'm sure there's some lore-based explanation for why something which distorts visible light (a form of electromagnetic radiation) around you would affect a grenade which also produces the same kind of energy.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2679	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:37:00 - [11] - Quote some scouts are meant to brick tank though....gallente scouts. And if a scout gets hit with a flux grenade and is vulnerable, then that's really the way it is. I am left with less than 100 and something armor when my caldari assault gets fluxed...should CCP implement another way for me to stay alive? When choosing a low hp suit, we must be aware that dying is a result of it. Scouts aren't really supposed to be in cqc situations....barely anyone is using a scout for what the role is designed for. Getting behind enemy lines, placing links, recon, hacking objectives, etc. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4155	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:37:00 - [12] - Quote Fluxes should decloak you. It should do a percentage of your remaining field rather than a full deplete though. Otherwise people will just run a basic because it has the fastest regen and will use the extra resources for tanking. Maybe even just like 3 seconds before you can recloak if you get hit by a flux. It should open a window because you screwed up. It also will means less locus grenades being tossed around. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Cosgar ParagonX 9160	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:37:00 - [13] - Quote Personally, I don't care either way with the whole cloaking/scout thing. The only thing I would suggest is that whatever changes to get made, nobody should feel that their death was cheap. Scouts were meant to be high risk, high reward, right? Are they following that archetype? If you die to a cloaked scout, do you feel that you can avoid that death under a near identical situation and feel that you learned something? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2682	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:42:00 - [14] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Fluxes should decloak you. It should do a percentage of your remaining field rather than a full deplete though. Otherwise people will just run a basic because it has the fastest regen and will use the extra resources for tanking. Maybe even just like 3 seconds before you can recloak if you get hit by a flux. It should open a window because you screwed up. It also will mean less locus grenades being tossed around. I think that's the issue....guys aren't respecting the fact that you should die when you get caught slipping. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
Rusty Shallows 1282	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:45:00 - [15] - Quote CPM and possibly CCP is already discussing what to do about cloaking Bricked Scouts. If that issue is resolved then letting cloaks stay active during contact becomes really important for the squishy fitted scouts. Besides I really don't foresee CCP tasking resources to code a single weapon for deactivating cloaks. They have limited resources. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
IRON PATRIOT 1 Proficiency Five 134	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:48:00 - [16] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. Sorry but you sound like a complete scrub. Cloak equipment is broken so if scouts brick tank let them that's not a problem we have other class who can tank more hp. The problem is the cloak. User should de-cloak when any damage is taken to shield except fall damage as well making to where you can't re-cloak until it is fully recharged.
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 261	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:48:00 - [17] - Quote To be honest if your getting fluxed as a scout then your in a situation that you shouldn't be in. I support fluxes taking out the cloak. - A Caldari scout Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 939	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:50:00 - [18] - Quote You guys must be much better than me, but good luck hitting a scout moving 9+mps with a flux nade -- and if you're able to do that, chances are you could have wasted him with your gun (or a core) anyway. Fluxing a cloaked scout to bring down his shields doesn't seem like a good way to balance the cloak to me.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1942	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:53:00 - [19] - Quote many of you are missing the point. i understand that you should be screwed if you get caught cloaked, but the same argument doesn't apply to BRICK TANKED scouts. of course it applies to me, since i decided to fit my scout like a scout, but what about the many people who have just brick tanked it with 600+ armor and a cloak? i know the gallente scout is meant to armor tank, as i used to be one pre 1.8, but it's not supposed to have 750 armor and a cloak. that's what i'm getting at. it only punishes those who fit their scout suit like a scout, not the people who abuse it and run it like an assault. Anime > EVERYTHING
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1942	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:57:00 - [20] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. Sorry but you sound like a complete scrub. Cloak equipment is broken so if scouts brick tank let them that's not a problem we have other class who can tank more hp. The problem is the cloak. User should de-cloak when any damage is taken to shield except fall damage as well making to where you can't re-cloak until it is fully recharged. i don't even know where to start with this comment, so i'm not even gonna bother. please think before you post. or at least try to be somewhat knowledgable about what you're talking about before calling other people scrubs. Anime > EVERYTHING

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2684	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:04:00 - [21] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: many of you are missing the point. i understand that you should be screwed if you get caught cloaked, but the same argument doesn't apply to BRICK TANKED scouts. of course it applies to me, since i decided to fit my scout like a scout, but what about the many people who have just brick tanked it with 600+ armor and a cloak? i know the gallente scout is meant to armor tank, as i used to be one pre 1.8, but it's not supposed to have 750 armor and a cloak. that's what i'm getting at. it only punishes those who fit their scout suit like a scout, not the people who abuse it and run it like an assault. True...I don't believe that scouts were meant for this sort of hp. But at the same time, I don't believe that most players are using the scout for its designed purposes. I know it's fun for a scout to run fast and 2-shot people in the back but they weren't meant to be slayers. So, we are all at fault for misuse of the scout's role. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2684	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:05:00 - [22] - Quote Callidus Vanus wrote: To be honest if your getting fluxed as a scout then your in a situation that you shouldn't be in. I support fluxes taking out the cloak. - A Caldari scout Quoted for truth man weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2684	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:06:00 - [23] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: You guys must be much better than me, but good luck hitting a scout moving 9+mps with a flux nade -- and if you're able to do that, chances are you could have wasted him with your gun (or a core) anyway. Fluxing a cloaked scout to bring down his shields doesn't seem like a good way to balance the cloak to me. It isn't...that's why all damage needs to apply in regards to cloaking. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
IRON PATRIOT 1 Proficiency Five 136	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:14:00 - [24] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. Sorry but you sound like a complete scrub. Cloak equipment is broken so if scouts brick tank let them that's not a problem we have other class who can tank more hp. The problem is the cloak. User should de-cloak when any damage is taken to shield except fall damage as well making to where you can't re-cloak until it is fully recharged. i don't even know where to start with this comment, so i'm not even gonna bother. please think before you post. or at least try to be somewhat knowledgable about what you're talking about before calling other people scrubs. I didn't say you were a scub I said you sound like a scrub sorry if I hurt your feelings wasn't intended. But you should take your own advice about thinking before you post. Ever since they added aim assist and fixed hit detection how has having high ehp been a problem with ttk being so low. So like I said these brick tanked scouts are not a problem.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3847	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:36:00 - [25] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. to borrow the scout mantra: are your eye UP. Use situational awareness. pooh pooh. I have to agree with Paran here. I haven't been fluxed yet this build. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1293	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:53:00 - [26] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: True...I don't believe that scouts were meant for this sort of hp. But at the same time, I don't believe that most players are using the scout for its designed purposes. I know it's fun for a scout to run fast and 2-shot people in the back but they weren't meant to be slayers. So, we are all at fault for misuse of the scout's role. Just out of curiosity, which class do you think CCP had in mind when they designed the shotgun and the nova knife? Best PvE idea ever!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1946	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:22:00 - [27] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: it's pretty simple, really, so this won't be a very long thread. and i really need to get to bed, so i'll make this quick. the problem is that they already take out all of your shields, so if they deactivated the cloak too, then that would leave the scout completely vulnerable. "that's how it should be." some of you may think, but think a bit harder. that would only reward brick tanking scouts, and punish all the scouts who decide not to brick tank. do you really want even more brick tanked scouts than we have now? because i don't. i personally have 77 armor on my scout, because all of my health comes from my shields. i generally run half ewar, half shields mods, and a biotics mod. fluxes are already painful enough when i get hit because all they have to do is hit me like twice from just blind spraying and if i try to run away, i'll be an easy target, so please think about this. fluxes deactivating cloaks will only result in more brick tank fotm scouts, and even less diversity in this game. Sorry but you sound like a complete scrub. Cloak equipment is broken so if scouts brick tank let them that's not a problem we have other class who can tank more hp. The problem is the cloak. User should de-cloak when any damage is taken to shield except fall damage as well making to where you can't re-cloak until it is fully recharged. i don't even know where to start with this comment, so i'm not even gonna bother. please think before you post. or at least try to be somewhat knowledgable about what you're talking about before calling other people scrubs. I didn't say you were a scub I said you sound like a scrub sorry if I hurt your feelings wasn't intended. But you should take your own advice about thinking before you post. Ever since they added aim assist and fixed hit detection how has having high ehp been a problem with ttk being so low. So like I said these brick tanked scouts are not a problem. i actually did put quite some thought in this post, taking my own experience and also considering the experiences of others. hence why i wrote this post in the first place. it's not for me, as i can deal with fluxes just fine, it's to try to prevent more fotm brick tank scouts. obviously it's not going to be the end of the world if fluxes disable cloaks, but what many of you don't seem to understand is that if they automatically disable the cloak AND disable your shields, you're only going to see more brick tanked scouts. isn't the goal to minimize fotm and maximize diversity? when people realize that fluxes disable cloaks and shields, they'll start brick tanking as a counter to it. Anime > EVERYTHING
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 471	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:24:00 - [28] - Quote It should probably just drain the cloak instead of the shields, and perhaps make his cloak malfunction for a second B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 698	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:28:00 - [29] - Quote i remeber the time when players would ask that the flux should turn everything offline on a tank for 20 sec.s so let not bring up flux = no cloak Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 372	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:31:00 - [30] - Quote I would rather see a shield recharge delay debuff with fluxes. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."



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