Im all for scouts having a decent role on the field but a scout should not be able to get more hp on a suit and still be faster than the assault suit. Its already really annoying and i dont think its fair. The scout should receive a slightly larger movement penalty On plates they have a smaller suit with fewer augmentations. The mass should affect it more. If you think this is wrong please say. Its open to discussion i just dont want my assault suit made totally redundant.

Please stop these threads already.

Scout scrub in denial.

Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.

An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.

Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this.

Yep. As much a scout scrub as any scout. I just adapt better.

Fraid to say it but scouts are FOTM, been a scout for a while and i don't mean 2 days, but soon all these FOTMers will realise a assault is better to tank with higher speed than a scout.

Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have.

You won't have more ehp, you would have the ability to setup shop with rep hives if you deployed them but that kind of defeats the bonuses of the scout suit (speed etc...). So in this case you'd have less hp but better reps if you stayed still. I really don't think you'll see to many scouts doing this and if they do then my question is why aren't they in a logi suit which would do this better. I like variability and sure you can do some things not intended with a suit but then i would argue that a good scout would be more deadly not doing this and playing to the suits strengths.

I feel your pain, i hated the logi suit being a better assault for 1+ year.

On PRO damp and lvl V skills on an assault means you can avoid a lot of scans. Combine that with base HP, and some tank, and you have one of the cheapest fastest suits you can get.

When you try to fit a scout suit with the best weapons and an assault tank - you will only move a bit faster than an assault, you will likely have lower health, you will have better shield regen, but the lower profile you get with a scout matters much less at that point.

The gallente scout can get as much hp as my assault at proto level. I know because i saw it. I just think that should change.

Guys I am a scout and have been for some time now.

I fitted 1000hp (989hp) proto guns proto sidearm, cloaks, RE, nades

On top I have passive scaners/passive rep/dampening/high shield recharge

This is OP in every way there is. Saying anything else is just trolling.

It's not the way the scout is supposed to work in my mind, it should be fast,agile,stealthy but squishy as a balance.

Suggestion:

Make the speed penalty if staking armor ( more 4 scouts )
Make dampening penalty if staking shield and a massive shield recharge rate nerf if staking on a scout
Make one of the equipment slots dedicated to cloak

Its not about cloaks or shotgun scouts. Its about scouts doing a role better than a suit that is designed for it. You are just being a douche.

Are you running a shield based assault? I think your seeing the difference between shield extenders and armour plates, which is another discussion. Also are your core skills maxed? Do you maximize your hp first then fit other stuff? I'm just saying i'd be surprised if a gal scout could beat it's gal assault cousin (don't they get 2 high and 5 lows?)

Scouts are so scared of a nerf they will lie lie lie... Kinda like tankers.

Cloaks are a crutch which fixes terrible gameplay and provides the worst scouts a huge advantage. It needs to go.

You have to admit there are some problems with the cloak currently..

Scouts are so scared of a nerf they will lie lie lie... Kinda like tankers.

Cloaks are a crutch which fixes terrible gameplay and provides the worst scouts a huge advantage. It needs to go.

Gal assault is what i use.

No sh-ít hombre
Plz tell me more about the fitting mechanics of the game!

I can fit ANYTHING on my scout. I just don't believe it's working at the moment since the light suits are better at assaulting than the medium suits.

You sir may disagree on that this is flawed but I stay with my saying that's it's OP and not intended to be that way in the game.
That's why we have different suits and maybe just maybe the cloak bonus that scouts gets is a indication on what CCP wants with the game?

But it's okey to have a different opinion my good sir

Regards

Truth is, Assault is not bad either.

I run basic cloak with an exile + a couple mods (Complex PG Upgrade and Complex CPU upgrade)

on a BASIC/STD Gallente/Caldari Assault Suit

I've been getting a good number of kills, especially on cloaked people who don't have a clue how to use them.

In fact, running cloaks on assaults is slightly more cost-effective imho than running it on scouts, except that scouts can equip two cloak fields -- meaning unlimited cloaking time.

I just think its fun, though, with CPU fitting customization for Plasma Cannons, you can sit in a corner in the city (in some maps) and wait for someone to pass by, then melt their face off with a plasma cannon. Best part? They have no idea you're there. That is, until you fire...

But thats why you have a cloak ))

It is difficult to brick tank and still be effective as an assault now. You can have similar hp in a scout and be faster and more effective.

Assault suits are broken.
This has been know for a few months.

Guys I am a scout and have been for some time now.

I fitted 1000hp (989hp) proto guns proto sidearm, cloaks, RE, nades

On top I have passive scaners/passive rep/dampening/high shield recharge

This is OP in every way there is. Saying anything else is just trolling.

It's not the way the scout is supposed to work in my mind, it should be fast,agile,stealthy but squishy as a balance.

Suggestion:

Make the speed penalty if staking armor ( more 4 scouts )
Make dampening penalty if staking shield and a massive shield recharge rate nerf if staking on a scout
Make one of the equipment slots dedicated to cloak

You knew this before the patch, and you still chose an assault suit? Meh, come on.

So does an Amarr Scout get a pass because we're slower than assault suits.

Really? Where were you when the logis where the gods among assaults? STFU.

Called it
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149208

Scouts with a lot of hp die quick, also i agree with a bit added speed penalty for those stacking them armors

Might I ask what suit the OP runs (and the fitting specs if they wish to disclose such info)

Scouts with a lot of hp die quick, also i agree with a bit added speed penalty for those stacking them armors

Lets look at this problem by comparing proto suits of the same race. Look at these two fits for the gallente assault and the gallente scout. Both assume that the user has maxed out their skill trees.

Maxed Assault gk.0
Assault gk.0
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Enhanced Shield Extender
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Federation Duvolle Specialist Assault Rifle

base movement speed of 4.07 m/s
total HP: 1188

Maxed Scout gk.0
Scout gk.0
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Complex Armor Plates
Federation Duvolle Specialist Assault Rifle
Kaalakiota Magsec SMG
Flux Grenade
Cloak Field
Compact Nanohive

base movement speed of 4.44 m/s
total HP: 989

Now, clearly the assault has almost a 200 hp edge but it is slower than the scout, can't hold a side arm, can't hold a grenade, are easier to spot on radar, and can't turn invisible at will. At this point there is no point in running an assault when a scout will clearly make the more effective and versatile killing suit.

Assaults need to have something that makes them preferable to scouts. Currently CCP is trying to provide that incentive through the assault bonuses but those bonuses are too limited in their scope to have much of an impact on game play. A simple way to buff the assault would be to increase either the base HP or the damage but that would make the suit compete with the heavy frames for max HP which is not the point of the suit and might invalidate another class.

Nerfing the scouts ability to stack plates would be another way to make assaults have more of a place on the battle field, doing so by reducing base hp would lead to more people brick tanking (as shown above) which is not desireable. Reducing the CPU and PG of the scout would also necessitate buffing the scout bonus to using cloaks (or they would become unusable).

Honestly I don't know what changes could be made to deal with the lack of a place for assaults on the battle field. I think that changing the assault bonuses would be a start but the changes would need to be pretty radical to make an actual difference. What do you all think. Come on DUST community, there are plenty of smart people out there. How can we make a place for assaults on the battlefiled that isn't simply one of being meat for the meat grinder.

Without cloaks scouts get smoked. Before 1.8 I ran my gal assault like a scout and rained hell. The real issue is that the big corp guys are all about ftom right now. Good players play well regardless the suit.

Plus scanner nerf didnt help. But in time we will all adapt.

My gal assault is a beast sir. Ill always take gal assault over any scout.