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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:18:00 -
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Im all for scouts having a decent role on the field but a scout should not be able to get more hp on a suit and still be faster than the assault suit. Its already really annoying and i dont think its fair. The scout should receive a slightly larger movement penalty On plates they have a smaller suit with fewer augmentations. The mass should affect it more. If you think this is wrong please say. Its open to discussion i just dont want my assault suit made totally redundant. |
Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:20:00 -
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No. I want to discuss it. You dont have to read it. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:24:00 -
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Its not about cloaks or shotgun scouts. Its about scouts doing a role better than a suit that is designed for it. You are just being a douche. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:34:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this. Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:46:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this. Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have. You won't have more ehp, you would have the ability to setup shop with rep hives if you deployed them but that kind of defeats the bonuses of the scout suit (speed etc...). So in this case you'd have less hp but better reps if you stayed still. I really don't think you'll see to many scouts doing this and if they do then my question is why aren't they in a logi suit which would do this better. I like variability and sure you can do some things not intended with a suit but then i would argue that a good scout would be more deadly not doing this and playing to the suits strengths. I feel your pain, i hated the logi suit being a better assault for 1+ year. The gallente scout can get as much hp as my assault at proto level. I know because i saw it. I just think that should change.
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:52:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:On PRO damp and lvl V skills on an assault means you can avoid a lot of scans. Combine that with base HP, and some tank, and you have one of the cheapest fastest suits you can get.
When you try to fit a scout suit with the best weapons and an assault tank - you will only move a bit faster than an assault, you will likely have lower health, you will have better shield regen, but the lower profile you get with a scout matters much less at that point. Again i have seen scouts with more hp than me. Sure if i swapped a repair module i'd have about 50 more hp but i would be slow as hell and would not be quick enough to get into cover. Scouts dont have that problem. Carry a rep hive or 2. Run and hide cost you are faster than everyone else and repair. |
Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:00:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this. Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have. You won't have more ehp, you would have the ability to setup shop with rep hives if you deployed them but that kind of defeats the bonuses of the scout suit (speed etc...). So in this case you'd have less hp but better reps if you stayed still. I really don't think you'll see to many scouts doing this and if they do then my question is why aren't they in a logi suit which would do this better. I like variability and sure you can do some things not intended with a suit but then i would argue that a good scout would be more deadly not doing this and playing to the suits strengths. I feel your pain, i hated the logi suit being a better assault for 1+ year. The gallente scout can get as much hp as my assault at proto level. I know because i saw it. I just think that should change. Are you running a shield based assault? I think your seeing the difference between shield extenders and armour plates, which is another discussion. Also are your core skills maxed? Do you maximize your hp first then fit other stuff? I'm just saying i'd be surprised if a gal scout could beat it's gal assault cousin (don't they get 2 high and 5 lows?) Gal assault is what i use. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:17:00 -
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It is difficult to brick tank and still be effective as an assault now. You can have similar hp in a scout and be faster and more effective. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:50:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:It is difficult to brick tank and still be effective as an assault now. You can have similar hp in a scout and be faster and more effective. You knew this before the patch, and you still chose an assault suit? Meh, come on. Why am i gonna be like you and skill into a role that i dont want to do just because its op? Im not gonna change from the suit i have used since it was released because its UP. Thats a scrubby move. I dont need a clutch to play the game i just want a balanced battlefield. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:03:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:So does an Amarr Scout get a pass because we're slower than assault suits. You are slower than 1 assault suit. But can still strafe as fast. |
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:03:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Might I ask what suit the OP runs (and the fitting specs if they wish to disclose such info) Sure. Atm i have: 2x complex shield extenders 1x enhanced precision enhancer. 3x enhanced plates 1x complex armour rep allotek nanohive Duvolle ar t-12 ion pistol |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:30:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Without cloaks scouts get smoked. Before 1.8 I ran my gal assault like a scout and rained hell. The real issue is that the big corp guys are all about ftom right now. Good players play well regardless the suit.
Plus scanner nerf didnt help. But in time we will all adapt.
My gal assault is a beast sir. Ill always take gal assault over any scout. I love that suit. |
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