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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:28:00 -
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Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:41:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this. Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have.
You won't have more ehp, you would have the ability to setup shop with rep hives if you deployed them but that kind of defeats the bonuses of the scout suit (speed etc...). So in this case you'd have less hp but better reps if you stayed still. I really don't think you'll see to many scouts doing this and if they do then my question is why aren't they in a logi suit which would do this better. I like variability and sure you can do some things not intended with a suit but then i would argue that a good scout would be more deadly not doing this and playing to the suits strengths.
I feel your pain, i hated the logi suit being a better assault for 1+ year.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:56:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Okay, ignoring the fact that stacking hp is not usually the best setup for a scout, your base argument is wrong.
An Assault has higher base hp, combined with maxed skills this increases it further. Then scouts have 6 slots at proto while assault have 7 slots. So when comparing similar layouts (suits with more lows or more highs) the assault should always have more hp if they both fully tank.
Not to say they didn't mess over the assault role bonus IMO, but argue the real issue not this. Ok. Scouts have 2 equip slots. Allowing for increased survivabilty. You can carry two rep hives and tank out your suit and have more ehp than an assault without compromising much speed. That is the problem i have. You won't have more ehp, you would have the ability to setup shop with rep hives if you deployed them but that kind of defeats the bonuses of the scout suit (speed etc...). So in this case you'd have less hp but better reps if you stayed still. I really don't think you'll see to many scouts doing this and if they do then my question is why aren't they in a logi suit which would do this better. I like variability and sure you can do some things not intended with a suit but then i would argue that a good scout would be more deadly not doing this and playing to the suits strengths. I feel your pain, i hated the logi suit being a better assault for 1+ year. The gallente scout can get as much hp as my assault at proto level. I know because i saw it. I just think that should change.
Are you running a shield based assault? I think your seeing the difference between shield extenders and armour plates, which is another discussion. Also are your core skills maxed? Do you maximize your hp first then fit other stuff? I'm just saying i'd be surprised if a gal scout could beat it's gal assault cousin (don't they get 2 high and 5 lows?)
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:06:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:[quote=Ares 514][quote=Echo 1991]
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The gallente scout can get as much hp as my assault at proto level. I know because i saw it. I just think that should change.
Are you running a shield based assault? I think your seeing the difference between shield extenders and armour plates, which is another discussion. Also are your core skills maxed? Do you maximize your hp first then fit other stuff? I'm just saying i'd be surprised if a gal scout could beat it's gal assault cousin (don't they get 2 high and 5 lows?) Gal assault is what i use.
So if you did nothing but tank your suit are you saying you couldn't beat the scout on hp? I agree the assaults are not in a good place at the moment but if you really wanted to you should be able to win the total hp war with a gal scout since you have more base hp and more slots. Not really arguing about assaults being in a good place, just saying you could out hp the scout.
FYI, those tanked scouts your worried about would be pretty easy pray for a real scout setup.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:15:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:No sh-ít hombre
Plz tell me more about the fitting mechanics of the game!
I can fit ANYTHING on my scout. I just don't believe it's working at the moment since the light suits are better at assaulting than the medium suits.
You sir may disagree on that this is flawed but I stay with my saying that's it's OP and not intended to be that way in the game.
That's why we have different suits and maybe just maybe the cloak bonus that scouts gets is a indication on what CCP wants with the game?
But it's okey to have a different opinion my good sir
Regards
Really? Where were you when the logis where the gods among assaults? STFU.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:17:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Truth is, Assault is not bad either.
I run basic cloak with an exile + a couple mods (Complex PG Upgrade and Complex CPU upgrade)
on a BASIC/STD Gallente/Caldari Assault Suit
I've been getting a good number of kills, especially on cloaked people who don't have a clue how to use them.
In fact, running cloaks on assaults is slightly more cost-effective imho than running it on scouts, except that scouts can equip two cloak fields -- meaning unlimited cloaking time.
I just think its fun, though, with CPU fitting customization for Plasma Cannons, you can sit in a corner in the city (in some maps) and wait for someone to pass by, then melt their face off with a plasma cannon. Best part? They have no idea you're there. That is, until you fire...
But thats why you have a cloak ))
You can't fit more then one cloak.
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