DUST Search - Remove the extra slot scouts received in 1.8

Cotsy8 wrote:

There is 0 wrong with a scout brick tanking.

They are either sacrificing stealth, speed, and armor complex mods have high PG costs so they are only fitting on a Proto suit.

The problem is the cloak, scouts got a nice boost with new module slots.. They for sure don't require a crutch like a cloak. It takes away so many of their gameplay mistakes and it ruins the class.

Scouts can be stealth without a cloak, they can excel without a cloak, they can hack and kill foes without a cloak. They can move about the map without a cloak, they can dominate a match without a cloak.

Modules aren't the issue, the cloaks are. There's no reason to have them, except a bunch of bitches who want scouts to be the new slayer class and want to be able to kill any suit 1v1.

Capes need to go, use the two equipment slots and provide scouts with a chance to use scanners, DL, compact hives, RE etc... It will add so much to the class if cloaks were removed and scouts kept their current boosts. There would be no complaints, just balance.

Capes aren't an answer to anything except how to make a new Logi type slayer.

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Tectonic Fusion 1331	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:34:00 - [1] - Quote We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:36:00 - [2] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? Just the opposite, keep the slots and lose the cape.
Tectonic Fusion 1331	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:38:00 - [3] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? Just the opposite, keep the slots and lose the cape. You gotta admit, brick tanking wouldn't be as powerful as it is now if they would just remove the one slot they added... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
CRYPT3C W0LF Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 497	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:38:00 - [4] - Quote keep both? Cloak Engaged~ Can I Haz A Cheezburger? SlayerScout, I feast on you're Proto Remains!:)
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 323	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:39:00 - [5] - Quote remove their weapon slots and make them rely on grenades and RE u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 241	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:39:00 - [6] - Quote I still use assault suits and still kill scouts just as easily people justt like to exaggerate... Alot. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
Tectonic Fusion 1331	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:41:00 - [7] - Quote Echoist wrote: I still use assault suits and still kill scouts just as easily people justt like to exaggerate... Alot. I know. But it's so damn annoying to look at all the posts being annoying about proto scouts brick tanking yadayadayada. Plus it wouldn't hurt scouts at all. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Piercing Serenity Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 579	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:43:00 - [8] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? While viable, that solution would not make assault suits any more viable. As you said in your OP, the cloak is a "bonus". In the context of your post, the cloak was an extra (And to some, unneeded) utility to the scout suit and class. In the context of the "Scout vs. Assault" issue, the cloak is also superfluous. Scouts are not better than assaults because they can cloak, or because they have one extra slot. Scouts are better than assaults because they can brick tank to reach similar if not greater EHPs than most assaults, while maintaining: A small hitbox High base movement, sprint, and stamina stats Fast shield regen (Caldari) Slight hacking bonus Low tacnet visibility In light of all of these impressive qualities, removing a slot from scouts and force them to chose between cloaks and uplinks will not make assaults any more appealing when compared to scouts (or to any other class really, but that's a different story). However, it may be better for retaining the skill and grace of scout suits as a class. On that, I'll let more knowledgeable people chime in DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Fatal
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:53:00 - [9] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? Just the opposite, keep the slots and lose the cape. You gotta admit, brick tanking wouldn't be as powerful as it is now if they would just remove the one slot they added... There needs to be some serious changes to scouts. People don't seem to view scouts as a problem at all, probably because all these former Logi slayers want to be some super sonic cloaked slayer now. I hate what cloaks do to remove skill required, but if i were to fix something why not make cloaks 2 slots instead of one. Solves the problem as you see it no? I would just remove cloaks from game, they are terrible for so so many reason. But they are too good not to use. 1. Min Scout: - boost to adv suit PG - release the racial NK, provide a PG reduction skill to NK - sprint while NK is charged only makes sense - prefer 2-3 hi-low slot lay out at advanced, but 3-3 at Proto works. 2. Cal Scout: - seems to be nothing wrong so far, but I would rather see 3-3 slot layout at Proto adds more flexibility to the class, while keeping the 3 enhancer highs available. 3. Amarr Scout - make their bonus equal a complex cardiac, every other class gets a complex but Amarr (there are many complaints about the racial bonus, to solve this i would make cloaks scouts only equipment. Adjust their CPU/PG values to where they are for level 5 scouts and make Amarr bonus a scout bonus. Then give Amarr another bonu, a reasonable one). 4. Gal Scout - seems to be nothing wrong.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:59:00 - [10] - Quote There is 0 wrong with a scout brick tanking. They are either sacrificing stealth, speed, and armor complex mods have high PG costs so they are only fitting on a Proto suit. The problem is the cloak, scouts got a nice boost with new module slots.. They for sure don't require a crutch like a cloak. It takes away so many of their gameplay mistakes and it ruins the class. Scouts can be stealth without a cloak, they can excel without a cloak, they can hack and kill foes without a cloak. They can move about the map without a cloak, they can dominate a match without a cloak. Modules aren't the issue, the cloaks are. There's no reason to have them, except a bunch of bitches who want scouts to be the new slayer class and want to be able to kill any suit 1v1. Capes need to go, use the two equipment slots and provide scouts with a chance to use scanners, DL, compact hives, RE etc... It will add so much to the class if cloaks were removed and scouts kept their current boosts. There would be no complaints, just balance. Capes aren't an answer to anything except how to make a new Logi type slayer.

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1999	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:03:00 - [11] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: There is 0 wrong with a scout brick tanking. They are either sacrificing stealth, speed, and armor complex mods have high PG costs so they are only fitting on a Proto suit. The problem is the cloak, scouts got a nice boost with new module slots.. They for sure don't require a crutch like a cloak. It takes away so many of their gameplay mistakes and it ruins the class. Scouts can be stealth without a cloak, they can excel without a cloak, they can hack and kill foes without a cloak. They can move about the map without a cloak, they can dominate a match without a cloak. Modules aren't the issue, the cloaks are. There's no reason to have them, except a bunch of bitches who want scouts to be the new slayer class and want to be able to kill any suit 1v1. Capes need to go, use the two equipment slots and provide scouts with a chance to use scanners, DL, compact hives, RE etc... It will add so much to the class if cloaks were removed and scouts kept their current boosts. There would be no complaints, just balance. Capes aren't an answer to anything except how to make a new Logi type slayer. You could also argue that there's 0 wrong with cloaks. Cloaks should stay and that's final, mister!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1207	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:19:00 - [12] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: There is 0 wrong with a scout brick tanking. They are either sacrificing stealth, speed, and armor complex mods have high PG costs so they are only fitting on a Proto suit. The problem is the cloak, scouts got a nice boost with new module slots.. They for sure don't require a crutch like a cloak. It takes away so many of their gameplay mistakes and it ruins the class. Scouts can be stealth without a cloak, they can excel without a cloak, they can hack and kill foes without a cloak. They can move about the map without a cloak, they can dominate a match without a cloak. Modules aren't the issue, the cloaks are. There's no reason to have them, except a bunch of bitches who want scouts to be the new slayer class and want to be able to kill any suit 1v1. Capes need to go, use the two equipment slots and provide scouts with a chance to use scanners, DL, compact hives, RE etc... It will add so much to the class if cloaks were removed and scouts kept their current boosts. There would be no complaints, just balance. Capes aren't an answer to anything except how to make a new Logi type slayer. Cloaked people are rediculously easy to see Honestly i expected to see people saying they arnt that useful but i suppose people arnt used to having situational awarness The only changes needed are assults need a buff and logis need better equipment.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7680	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:24:00 - [13] - Quote Is this a serious request? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Tectonic Fusion 1333	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:23:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Is this a serious request? We already got 2 equipment slots (which is good) and more CPU/PG. What was the point of adding one more high/low slot? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
jerrmy12 kahoalii 728	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? LOL no. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Tectonic Fusion 1333	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:25:00 - [16] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? LOL no. It would be useful if we didn't have get the CPU buff so we could fit a CPU upgrade with the slot I admit. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3702	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:39:00 - [17] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? If this is an attempt to balance assault suits, why not just advocate giving them a buff instead of nerfing scouts when they're finally useful. No.
Tectonic Fusion 1333	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:45:00 - [18] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? If this is an attempt to balance assault suits, why not just advocate giving them a buff instead of nerfing scouts when they're finally useful. Because people will still QQ although it will be pointless? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Aszazel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 140	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:53:00 - [19] - Quote Make the second equipment slot only cloak fitting. In fact, change the stats of all scout suits to 5% profile dampening per level instead of cloak field, make the cloak field costs what it does now for lvl 5 scouts for all scouts. And make a scout suit the only suit that can fit it. We would have an option to NOT run it, but only have 1 equip slot. Also wouldn't have to bother with the logi or commando running cloak, which is honestly, what, fun? alright but why can't mediums and scouts equip HMGs then. Come on, everyone should have a niche. For that matter, make scanners only equip to mediums, give an assualt suit a reason worth playing. Scouts have cloaks and commandos don't need one. * the scanner that is
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5319	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote I'm a minmatar scout: Hell no. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Havaru Fox Golden Empire of EvE 94	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:03:00 - [21] - Quote lets see it from a logi side. why use a logi suit for 3 slots if a scout has 2 and he can rep just as good as you
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3653	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:06:00 - [22] - Quote Let's remove their suit slot
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7681	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [23] - Quote OP, what you're request may seem reasonable to you, but that's not reasonable to everyone else. This is not going to change at this point. Its silly to see people want to nerf scouts just when they are finally becoming useful. That says a lot about the person requesting the nerf. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5319	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote Havaru Fox wrote: lets see it from a logi side. why use a logi suit for 3 slots if a scout has 2 and he can rep just as good as you because they need to get closer and thus will be shot. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:09:00 - [25] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: remove their weapon slots and make them rely on grenades and RE Are you insane? nemesis problem Call Me Maybe :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7681	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:10:00 - [26] - Quote Havaru Fox wrote: lets see it from a logi side. why use a logi suit for 3 slots if a scout has 2 and he can rep just as good as you True scouts have to get closer to you. You have ranged weapons as a logi while a true scout usually carries cqc weapons and are squishy compared to a logi. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7681	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:13:00 - [27] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: remove their weapon slots and make them rely on grenades and RE A part of me wants to believe you're just being sarcastic, but my trolldar has suspiciously not gone off. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1097	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 - [28] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: There is 0 wrong with a scout brick tanking. They are either sacrificing stealth, speed, and armor complex mods have high PG costs so they are only fitting on a Proto suit. The problem is the cloak, scouts got a nice boost with new module slots.. They for sure don't require a crutch like a cloak. It takes away so many of their gameplay mistakes and it ruins the class. Scouts can be stealth without a cloak, they can excel without a cloak, they can hack and kill foes without a cloak. They can move about the map without a cloak, they can dominate a match without a cloak. Modules aren't the issue, the cloaks are. There's no reason to have them, except a bunch of bitches who want scouts to be the new slayer class and want to be able to kill any suit 1v1. Capes need to go, use the two equipment slots and provide scouts with a chance to use scanners, DL, compact hives, RE etc... It will add so much to the class if cloaks were removed and scouts kept their current boosts. There would be no complaints, just balance. Capes aren't an answer to anything except how to make a new Logi type slayer. Play PC then say scouts are fine without cloaks. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Yan Darn Science For Death 412	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 - [29] - Quote Or just buff assaults and do something to balance brick tanking across all roles. Your balancing logic seems very CCP. I wouldn't cry if they removed cloaks and gave us a different bonus though... The Ghost of Bravo
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:16:00 - [30] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We didn't need it in 1.7, so why the unnecessary buff? We only needed 2 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. The cloak was just a bonus, but not OP. Hopefully if they do remove the extra slot, the Assault Suit might be favored for assaulting. Thoughts? Keep it how it is right now.... Just fix the bugs and glitches



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