DUST Search - The next weapons we'll get

Villanor Aquarius wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

I'm not talking about a blaster lol.
Mortars are artillery that's a minmatar weapon.

Gallente use more than just blasters. We need rails and drones still.
Where are the gallente rail bonuses and where are our long range weapons?

Gallente and Long Range Weaponry is an oxymoron.

Their Combat Philosophy is short-range, high alpha.

First of all Atiim you are so far from accurate. Nothing about gallente is alpha at all.
They get damage bonuses and hybrid bonuses. Hybrids are the DPS platform with reasonable range bands and medium dropoffs.
Tracking and DPS is the gallente forte while engagement envelope with hybrids and missiles is caldari's forte.
Both of them get Hybrids of each type equally, the caldari just get range bonuses and gallente get damage bonuses thus they are shorter range.

To everyone else CCP most likely means Scrambler Lance as in Lance weaponry as a laser beam or "lance."
The idea being an energy beam is used to "lance" the enemy. I would picture it as a charge up straight laser shot AV. Basically just a big scrambler rifle that likely needs to charge before shooting.

The mass driver is almost certainly not the launcher for the minmatar instead it is likely their second light weapon option like the laser rifle is to amarr.
We'll likely see gallente rail rifle skins and caldari ARs at some point with amarr having laser and scram, and minmatar having CR and mass driver.

Those turrets sound awesome though the pulse laser sounds like a lot of fun.

Last thing, think the plasma mortar is a true mortar or more of a cross between the PLC and mass driver but heavier?

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Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 379	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:04:00 - [61] - Quote I hope the scrambler lance is like a giant light saber. Sort of a short-range (<20m) version of the laser rifle. I also hope that, unlike some have suggested, it's not a CQC anti-vehicle weapon. A heavy weapon at such a short range would need to do truly massive damage to be able to impact a vehicle before it rolls away. Can you imagine a 3000 damage close-range attack against infantry? Unless it comes with some way to attach yourself to the vehicle and tear it apart over time. Which would be awesome: a tanker would need help or would need to get out of his tank to kill the marauder. If you were in FW or PC, you would specifically need infantry help so they wouldn't destroy your tank in the process. Sorry, letting my imagination run away again. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 166	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:39:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: I'm not talking about a blaster lol. Mortars are artillery that's a minmatar weapon. Gallente use more than just blasters. We need rails and drones still. Where are the gallente rail bonuses and where are our long range weapons? Gallente and Long Range Weaponry is an oxymoron. Their Combat Philosophy is short-range, high alpha. First of all Atiim you are so far from accurate. Nothing about gallente is alpha at all. They get damage bonuses and hybrid bonuses. Hybrids are the DPS platform with reasonable range bands and medium dropoffs. Tracking and DPS is the gallente forte while engagement envelope with hybrids and missiles is caldari's forte. Both of them get Hybrids of each type equally, the caldari just get range bonuses and gallente get damage bonuses thus they are shorter range. To everyone else CCP most likely means Scrambler Lance as in Lance weaponry as a laser beam or "lance." The idea being an energy beam is used to "lance" the enemy. I would picture it as a charge up straight laser shot AV. Basically just a big scrambler rifle that likely needs to charge before shooting. The mass driver is almost certainly not the launcher for the minmatar instead it is likely their second light weapon option like the laser rifle is to amarr. We'll likely see gallente rail rifle skins and caldari ARs at some point with amarr having laser and scram, and minmatar having CR and mass driver. Those turrets sound awesome though the pulse laser sounds like a lot of fun. Last thing, think the plasma mortar is a true mortar or more of a cross between the PLC and mass driver but heavier?
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 729	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:02:00 - [63] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Why are gallente getting a mortar? Give that to minmatar and give us the rifle. Gallente use rails for long range and blasters at short or drones. We need bonuses to rails or our own kong range weapons. Not these underpowered launcher weapons. can we at least try to resemble eve with weapons? The Precision rifle is the Minmatar sniper rifle. Honestly, the rocket launcher is likely to be Caldari. Gallente are all about close range, high damage. So, any weapon that comes out along for Gallente will likely be this way. The "Eve connection" here is that Gallente use HYBRID weapons, and in Eve they're not broken into subgroups for "hybrid - rail" and "hybrid - plasma." So, in Eve, Gallente represent the "armor hybrid users," and Caldari are your "shield hybrid users." You can fly a Gallente ship with rails, and you can make some mean Caldari blaster boats. In Dust, missile systems (really, the "primary" weapon system for Caldari) need to be finely balanced, and Caldari need bonuses to "directed explosives" (a.k.a. missiles), while Minmatar would receive bonuses to splash amounts, etc. for grenade-style explosives. Then, Gallente (and Caldari) could receive bonuses that affect all hybrids, making armor hybrid suits or shield hybrid suits able to use both weapons effectively. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 582	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:08:00 - [64] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Why are gallente getting a mortar? Give that to minmatar and give us the rifle. Gallente use rails for long range and blasters at short or drones. We need bonuses to rails or our own kong range weapons. Not these underpowered launcher weapons. can we at least try to resemble eve with weapons? The Precision rifle is the Minmatar sniper rifle. Honestly, the rocket launcher is likely to be Caldari. Gallente are all about close range, high damage. So, any weapon that comes out along for Gallente will likely be this way. The "Eve connection" here is that Gallente use HYBRID weapons, and in Eve they're not broken into subgroups for "hybrid - rail" and "hybrid - plasma." So, in Eve, Gallente represent the "armor hybrid users," and Caldari are your "shield hybrid users." You can fly a Gallente ship with rails, and you can make some mean Caldari blaster boats. In Dust, missile systems (really, the "primary" weapon system for Caldari) need to be finely balanced, and Caldari need bonuses to "directed explosives" (a.k.a. missiles), while Minmatar would receive bonuses to splash amounts, etc. for grenade-style explosives. Then, Gallente (and Caldari) could receive bonuses that affect all hybrids, making armor hybrid suits or shield hybrid suits able to use both weapons effectively. That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative hor heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 167	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:14:00 - [65] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative for heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. They use artillery. Why does a precision rifle not make sense for minmatar? The CR is basically their autocannon turrets short range high rof low damage per shot. The precision rifle will be their artillery turret, long range, huge alpha, terrible ROF
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 731	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:20:00 - [66] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative for heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. They use artillery. Why does a precision rifle not make sense for minmatar? The CR is basically their autocannon turrets short range high rof low damage per shot. The precision rifle will be their artillery turret, long range, huge alpha, terrible ROF Yes, it totally makes sense for Minmatar. I agree, though, that it does cause problems in that both sniper-type weapons are going to be "more of the same"--namely, they'll both be long range, bonus-damage-to-armor rifles. I don't expect Gallente will get ANY long-range-flavored weapon, but the new sniper rifle ought to have been a laser weapon at least; give us some sniper-weapon that does bonus damage to shields. I'm sure once even more weapons are introduced and fleshed out we'll see hybrids merged into one category and Gal/Cal bonuses updated to reflect this. Caldari will likely receive bonuses to hybrids' range or something, bonus to missiles, shield bonuses, etc., while Gallente will likely get bonus to hybrid damage (holy crap RR damage!), rate of fire, or similar. Sort of the great thing, though, is that there's PLENTY left to add, iterate and introduce to the universe, and it's only just beginning. edit: The Plasma mortar sounds interesting, but only interesting. My fear is that it'll be more like the Plasma Cannon than a true heavy weapon, and that weapon is questionable (at best) when used in the most ideal conditions. The PC has terrible rate of fire, reload time, arc gimmick of the bullet, reticle that doesn't update or add to the aiming experience, etc. MANY problems remain with it, and I'd really rather it be fixed to be an effective weapon (with little gimmick qualities) over using the gimmick mechanics in a new Plasma Mortar. If the rocket launcher is a "true" rocket launcher, then the PC will be marginalized into NOBODY using it, much more so than HARDLY ANYONE using it currently. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 582	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:21:00 - [67] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative for heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. They use artillery. Why does a precision rifle not make sense for minmatar? The CR is basically their autocannon turrets short range high rof low damage per shot. The precision rifle will be their artillery turret, long range, huge alpha, terrible ROF Because a mortar is artillery. Herp derp That should be a minmatar weapon. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1677	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:22:00 - [68] - Quote The lance will remove hemorrhoids like spkr. Who wants some?
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 402	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:12:00 - [69] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Via SDE Don't know when but these are likely the next weapons we'll get tag_weapon_plasmamortar tag_weapon_precisionrifle tag_weapon_rocketlauncher (actually has stats!) tag_weapon_scramblerlance Rocket launcher I guess will be like an RPG type thing? Cool. Mortar could be fun, I guess the precision rifle will probably be op Scrambler lance? who knows. Lets hope 'rocket launcher' is the amarr 'shotgun' based on khanid kingdoms tech.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3465	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:41:00 - [70] - Quote So here's my guess at what they look like http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b522/Draxus_Prime/CAWCAW_zps76a55cde.png pretty sure about the Scrambler Lance not the plasma mortar "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 2068	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:43:00 - [71] - Quote Scrambler Lance :Q___ >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9002	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:02:00 - [72] - Quote I'ma be a Valkyria Chronicles Lancer..... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3476	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:08:00 - [73] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: So here's my guess at what they look like http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b522/Draxus_Prime/CAWCAW_zps76a55cde.png pretty sure about the Scrambler Lance not the plasma mortar "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 494	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:57:00 - [74] - Quote And there i hoped the Scrambler Lance was going to be a pile driver. Note to CCP: We need a melee weapon into heavy slot ASAP. TOLD514
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:58:00 - [75] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Also in the SDE are assault plasma cannons and homing flaylocks. Brace yourselves, there will be more QQ yet. ASSAULT Plasma Cannons?!???? YEEEEEEEEEEEHEHHHHHH BUDDDDDAAAY LEGGO! I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:59:00 - [76] - Quote Beeeees wrote: And there i hoped the Scrambler Lance was going to be a pile driver. Note to CCP: We need a melee weapon into heavy slot ASAP. Energy Sword 2.0 I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4937	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:04:00 - [77] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Via SDE Don't know when but these are likely the next weapons we'll get tag_weapon_plasmamortar tag_weapon_precisionrifle tag_weapon_rocketlauncher (actually has stats!) tag_weapon_scramblerlance (btw Crystal Balling!) EDIT: After reviewing SDE Data the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar were added with the 1.8 SDE so yes these aren't old news, the names are basically prepared Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Magic Crystal Ball Not at all. The SDE is a REALLY bad crystal ball, many of the items in there are placeholders, authored items that were there to save labor in case future variants were to be introduced (but haven't actually been seriously tested), or failed items in testing that were far too broken to every make it into the actual game. If you're trying to figure out what's coming in the future from the SDE, you're seriously doing it wrong. ....like, looking into the wrong end of the telescope wrong. Sorry if I've ruined people's hopes and dreams, but I'd rather be honest than let all the speculation run rampant when that's not what the SDE is there for. And yes, there are some obvious errors in it too, which basically means its like looking in the wrong end of a scratched lens telescope. CCP is currently looking into how to better manage the SDE and turn it into a more useful tool for players. The fact that its made available now should really just be seen as the first step in the right direction, not an authoritative look at what's transpiring in development (which is how it COULD be used down the road if groomed properly). Probably the best use for it right now isn't even for accessing the data itself....but more for learning to build TOOLS that will allow non-coders to interpret its contents so that one day players can use it as a lens to view the changes in progress. I hope that helps clarify matters. o7 Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3531	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:44:00 - [78] - Quote bump "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4576	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:54:00 - [79] - Quote Old news I am your scan error.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1324	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:10:00 - [80] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Atiim wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: I'm not talking about a blaster lol. Mortars are artillery that's a minmatar weapon. Gallente use more than just blasters. We need rails and drones still. Where are the gallente rail bonuses and where are our long range weapons? Gallente and Long Range Weaponry is an oxymoron. Their Combat Philosophy is short-range, high alpha. First of all Atiim you are so far from accurate. Nothing about gallente is alpha at all. They get damage bonuses and hybrid bonuses. Hybrids are the DPS platform with reasonable range bands and medium dropoffs. Tracking and DPS is the gallente forte while engagement envelope with hybrids and missiles is caldari's forte. Both of them get Hybrids of each type equally, the caldari just get range bonuses and gallente get damage bonuses thus they are shorter range. To everyone else CCP most likely means Scrambler Lance as in Lance weaponry as a laser beam or "lance." The idea being an energy beam is used to "lance" the enemy. I would picture it as a charge up straight laser shot AV. Basically just a big scrambler rifle that likely needs to charge before shooting. The mass driver is almost certainly not the launcher for the minmatar instead it is likely their second light weapon option like the laser rifle is to amarr. We'll likely see gallente rail rifle skins and caldari ARs at some point with amarr having laser and scram, and minmatar having CR and mass driver. Those turrets sound awesome though the pulse laser sounds like a lot of fun. Last thing, think the plasma mortar is a true mortar or more of a cross between the PLC and mass driver but heavier? That isnt exactly true... you can fit up a pretty high alpha Talos sniper. But yes, Gal is more known for brawlers or drone boats. Canari Elphus for CPM1

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3535	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:39:00 - [81] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Old news added tags for them in1.8 SDE... "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Sardonk Eternia RisingSuns 199	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:21:00 - [82] - Quote Bitches call my **** the scrambler lance
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 152	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:52:00 - [83] - Quote Nice, thanx for this, So Amarr contact nades were the sticky nades talk from a while backGÇª Scrambler lance and plasma mortar wasnGÇÖt teasetrolling, HavenGÇÖt heard the rocket launcher before, so that would be an Amarr Light AV weapon? And rounding out the racial turrets bodes well for new vehicles coming. If this stuff is all prepping for fanfestGÇÖs GÇPhands on with the new evolution of DUSTGÇ¥ then, Nice! GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 729	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:27:00 - [84] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Villanor Aquarius wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative for heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. They use artillery. Why does a precision rifle not make sense for minmatar? The CR is basically their autocannon turrets short range high rof low damage per shot. The precision rifle will be their artillery turret, long range, huge alpha, terrible ROF Because a mortar is artillery. Herp derp That should be a minmatar weapon. And the precision rifle is...? I don't even know why you're trying to compare the plasma mortar and the precision rifle. One's a heavy weapon, the other is light. They don't even cover the same role. The only thing they have in common is our lack of knowledge about either one. You're the one herp a' derping, my friend. Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 128	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:32:00 - [85] - Quote Man... the plasma cannon still needs fixed and now they want to basically add a postentially equally bad plasma mortar?
Hecarim Van Hohen 842	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:46:00 - [86] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Man... the plasma cannon still needs fixed and now they want to basically add a postentially equally bad plasma mortar? I'd rather have bad racail heavy weapons over not having racial heavy weapons at all ps. seriously CCP, give us more heavy weapons If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 629	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:00:00 - [87] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Villanor Aquarius wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: That's nothing new. I've been asking about the lack of long range gal weapos for weeks. We use rails too. And mortars aren't short range weapons. Precision rifle should be a sniper alternative for heavy gallente and caldari users. Doesn't make sense for it to be minmatar. They use artillery. Why does a precision rifle not make sense for minmatar? The CR is basically their autocannon turrets short range high rof low damage per shot. The precision rifle will be their artillery turret, long range, huge alpha, terrible ROF Because a mortar is artillery. Herp derp That should be a minmatar weapon. And the precision rifle is...? I don't even know why you're trying to compare the plasma mortar and the precision rifle. One's a heavy weapon, the other is light. They don't even cover the same role. The only thing they have in common is our lack of knowledge about either one. You're the one herp a' derping, my friend. This is a thread about heavy weapons where are you getting the idea it's a light weapon. Hasn't been said once in this thread. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3628	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:16:00 - [88] - Quote bump "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 777	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:24:00 - [89] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Logi Bro wrote: I think Plasma Mortar and Scrambler Lance were already confirmed to be heavy weapons. Precision Rifle is Minmatar Sniper Rifle. And would you please post those stats for the rocket launcher? sure accelRate395.0 damageRadius800.0 directHitDamage550.0 explodeByTouchyes initSpeed3250.0 maxRange100000.0 (100 or 1000m) maxSpeed4750.0 projectileLifeSpan6.0 splashDamage120.0 max range would be 285m, (speed*lifespan) nowhere near 1km. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms


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