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Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 22	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote Competition between Heavies and Scouts is great right now and a 20% hit to heavy eHP could make that go away. A sub 10K ISK Scout can obliterate a very expensive PRO heavy before the big guy gets turned around, but if the heavy sees the scout first in close quarters its over for the skinny. Why mess with that? I already feel bad (not really) when I take an expensive suit down. Not to mention the heavys that are on our team. They're great for standing behind.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 893	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:33:00 - [2] - Quote Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2387	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:34:00 - [3] - Quote +-+ Don't nerf them that much. Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
jerrmy12 kahoalii 704	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:35:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: +-+ Don't nerf them that much. Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be. An hmg rof nerf is a bit needed though... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1187	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:36:00 - [5] - Quote I don't really care either way. Except if heavies DO get a 20% HP nerf, then I might be inclined to get NK Prof 4 and use an enhanced sidearm damage mod since I'll be able to OHK them with a single charged swipe. So I suppose it'd be better if they weren't nerfed as I wouldn't be tempted to spend the SP.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 458	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:37:00 - [6] - Quote Well before playing 1.8 I thought heavies deserved an ehp nerf, now.... Let them only use heavy weapons and slow their rotation speed and they are fine.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 893	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:37:00 - [7] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 25	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:39:00 - [8] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent.
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 627	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:40:00 - [9] - Quote If CCP makes the Minmatar Sentinel have even less HP I don't know what I'm going to do. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 105	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:47:00 - [10] - Quote heavies need a ehp nerf but, yet scouts are going 20/30+ kills with less deaths than heavies ...interesting

RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 40	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:51:00 - [11] - Quote Signed. TechMechMeds filthy scrubby heathen heavy will definitely feel that hit because he runs it speedy style with quick regen like a typical minmatar scumbag. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 460	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:55:00 - [12] - Quote Naviticus wrote: heavies need a ehp nerf but, yet scouts are going 20/30+ kills with less deaths than heavies ...interesting give my heavy active hardners then well talk about ehp nerf Because every heavy, every logi, every assault in every match still plays like a rambo Lone Wolf, and it is really easy for scouts to kill Lone wolves. Start playing as you re supposed to do, in a team, and a lot of scouts will die
Regnier Feros Immortal Guides 52	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:09:00 - [13] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. my amarr sentinel has 1100 armor I serve Queen Dabomb Original Royal Guard Weapon Of Choice: MH-82 HMG *Current Goal:Destroy Adonis's Tank
BrutorDestructor Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:13:00 - [14] - Quote The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour.[/quote] Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent.[/quote] that is impossible with max armour skill the std gal sent can only tank 953 armour with two complex plates
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 60	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:25:00 - [15] - Quote I think they could do with a buff, a single charge from my ishikone knives is usually enough to down all but the most tanked heavy suits. Usually because I am cloaked and wait for them to pass me first . I do see how the assault or logi class would have trouble killing anything now anyways (considering that balac's gar-21 does as much as the old basic ar now). Over all, I like 1.8. It got me to actually think about skilling into a gun that isn't a rifle. (Shotty for the win!) If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:31:00 - [16] - Quote The heavy does not need a ehp nerf. I use a scout, a heavy, and a logi. What needs to be looked at is the pg/cpu. I love my gall heavy. Though I am rather confused by something. I can fit all ADVANCED gear on a standard. I can fit ANYTHING on the proto. Both of these still have room to spare on both cpu and pg. The turn speeds may need a look at also. I don't notice a change when running all complex plates. Which I only do to guard tight area objectives. Normally I run All reps. That extra movement is killer! But my rotation is ,or ar least, feels the same. Perhaps on heavies stacking all plates could have more of an effect. This would only effect rotation. Every 3% movement penalty adds 1% extra movement penalty to rotation. So its 3% to run/walk and 4% to rotation. There an ehp nerf without an ehp nerf. I am nobody.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1077	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:32:00 - [17] - Quote Heavies aren't OP, although i die super fast by HMGs i don't think a nerf is required. *Assassination is my thing.*
Kage Roth Wolf-Monkey Bastards 106	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:45:00 - [18] - Quote I agree, as they stand now heavies are well balanced. Scouts are a little OP, but that is another matter. Just buff the mediums by a touch and bring them up with everyone else.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6203	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote Signed. Not from a Scout, but from an Omni-Soldier. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 1163	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:07:00 - [20] - Quote If you really cant kill a heavy from behind your doing something wrong. 30 Mil SP VET , TANK / DS PILOT CLICK HERE FOR ACTIVE DUST 514 YOUTUBE VIDEOS

VicBoss Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 407	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:09:00 - [21] - Quote Def dont nerf, they need every hp they get > "It aint no petting zoo out there! Peeps be getting deep sixed!" -Daxter
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2109	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:14:00 - [22] - Quote I like going up against current heavies. Notch down turn speed and they'll be perfect. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 34	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:03:00 - [23] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: If you really cant kill a heavy from behind your doing something wrong. Exactly
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 286	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote I would let them keep their high hp, if they had their turn speed reduced like it used to be. That's the best way to balance them. Hit them from behind or die. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1467	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:08:00 - [25] - Quote Reducing the health on a infantry tank based class... Before even talking about their DPS output... is short sighted and rash. Specially in increments as big as 20% DPS or turn speed caps should be talked about before we even think about touching their health.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 714	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:11:00 - [26] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Reducing the health on a infantry tank based class... Before even talking about their DPS output... is short sighted and rash. Specially in increments as big as 20% DPS or turn speed caps should be talked about before we even think about touching their health. Yes Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 40	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote I'm enjoying the fact that heavies are not just free kills now. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
XxWarlordxX97 4225	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:11:00 - [28] - Quote Scouts are the only guys who understand the heavy Oh and signed Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million I love the Caldari Sentinel
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 62	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:15:00 - [29] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. that suit might seem good but he is weak to other things. 1# he wont last long in any sustained shootout as he has jimped his armor regen. best thing to do is hit him from a distance and just pluck his health down. or if your a shotgun scout wait till he is distracted drop a re at his feet (that much armor means he is to slow to get away) run out of range of your re and detonate it. Also a sniper rifle on his flank will merc him hard if your at around 60m or more and if you are flanking or hitting him from behind he wont figure it out till its too late. and if the does and goes to hide, cloak and press him down with grenades (again he is too slow to avoid them) or MD Like i said he is the SLOWEST suit it the game! use stuff that nails that. MD GRENADES LR FLUX SNIPER RIFLE, SCR with charge shot RE, RR.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 277	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 - [30] - Quote nerf is a harsh word but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault) and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

XxWarlordxX97 4227	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:20:00 - [31] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: nerf is a harsh word but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault) and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million I love the Caldari Sentinel
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11766	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:23:00 - [32] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent. Impossible. The highest amount of armour a fully complex plated STD Gal Sentinel can get is 950. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 259	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:27:00 - [33] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: +-+ Don't nerf them that much. Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be. Decrease turn speed and strafing. Honestly, these guys shouldn't be able to dance.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 278	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:29:00 - [34] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: nerf is a harsh word but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault) and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks kick yourself in the nuts the way it is NOW is making the logi useless HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless but I dont want the logi to be useless either Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 278	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:30:00 - [35] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: +-+ Don't nerf them that much. Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be. Decrease turn speed and strafing. Honestly, these guys shouldn't be able to dance. please and thank you Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 544	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:30:00 - [36] - Quote I like being a heavy (but I have a scout alt and play scout logi) and I have to say that a nerf is out of order. This is definitely a case of HTFU. If you come at me head on in any form of CQC or open space, you will die. Sneak up on me and hit me from behind, you have me and congratulations are awarded to you. Engage me outside of my effective range with any rifle other than the Gallente AR (which really needs a buff for it's awful range). This time, no nerf for us. Please. (Nerf tanks, hint hint).
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 107	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:32:00 - [37] - Quote To be fair, I lay on the side to remove cloaks. I might be in the 5% if not less who think scouts don't need them. Nor do I feel right now sentinels need a 20% eHP nerf. It seems like its a whole bunch of slayer scouts running around who feel they should 1v1 kill everything, including a sent. This shouldn't be the case. Sents need tweaking, the removal of the light weapon in the heavy weapon slot should be #1 on that list. Let's see how Sents do without light weapons first, and make adjustments from there. Tweaking more than one issue is dangerous, nerf's should be done slowly and thoughtfully. Don't rush to nerf multiple things.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 544	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:35:00 - [38] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: To be fair, I lay on the side to remove cloaks. I might be in the 5% if not less who think scouts don't need them. Nor do I feel right now sentinels need a 20% eHP nerf. It seems like its a whole bunch of slayer scouts running around who feel they should 1v1 kill everything, including a sent. This shouldn't be the case. Sents need tweaking, the removal of the light weapon in the heavy weapon slot should be #1 on that list. Let's see how Sents do without light weapons first, and make adjustments from there. Tweaking more than one issue is dangerous, nerf's should be done slowly and thoughtfully. Don't rush to nerf multiple things. The only problem taking the heavies ability away to wield light weapons is that they will only have the HMG and forge gun as weapons. For me, that's not a problem because being a Gallente Sentinel with an HMG is literally my destiny. However, others may have issues with only having two weapons on hand.
XxWarlordxX97 4228	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:36:00 - [39] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: nerf is a harsh word but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault) and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks kick yourself in the nuts the way it is NOW is making the logi useless HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless but I dont want the logi to be useless either how about this every class needs a logi to follow them around or there useless now go tell the community that and tell me how that goes Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million I love the Caldari Sentinel
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2077	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:38:00 - [40] - Quote Attempting to stay out of this discussion, as I am too fat. Just wanted to say: I <3 you all, Skinnies. Even when we're killing each other. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]

Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4053	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:38:00 - [41] - Quote Don't nerf my freaking commando!!!!!!! Ps. Love the cal scout ck.0 Fare well my commando's fist of god o7 Patron saint of commandos Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8938	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:39:00 - [42] - Quote Scout suck....such a boring playstyle. Heavies however! COMMANDO ME UP! "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 545	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:39:00 - [43] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: nerf is a harsh word but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault) and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks kick yourself in the nuts the way it is NOW is making the logi useless HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless but I dont want the logi to be useless either Any good player will get those scores no matter what suit they use and whether they have logi support or not. How about logi's needing logi support, or are they the only class allowed to play solo?
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 293	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:40:00 - [44] - Quote Heavies don't need a nerf. The HMG could possibly use a small ROF nerf, but the fact that I've actually been seeing more heavies with HMG's makes it worth it. No nerf. Leave it, CCP. They're still cannon fodder out in the open. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
D4GG3R Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 68	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:42:00 - [45] - Quote #SaveTheFatties!-í!-í!-í! Shout out to all my Pre-1.8 scout brothers!
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 1031	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:44:00 - [46] - Quote The advantage scouts had against heavies was the overwhelm by rushing around the heavies. That's just gone now. CCP Saberwing "Vehicles have taken a step in the right direction"
xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 46	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:58:00 - [47] - Quote Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice. Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty. P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude.
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 42	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 - [48] - Quote xSivartx wrote: Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice. Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty. P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude. I run STD shotgun (prof 5) on all my fits and almost every heavy I run across is squishy enough to be done in 3-4 shots. The first two land before you can turn around, and the last one is right as the HMG spins up. A heavy nerf means I don't get to look you in the eyes as you die.
Oxskull Duncarino Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 - [49] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. my amarr sentinel has 1100 armor Don't listen to idiots like Luna that don't have an idea of what they're talking about. As has been stated already the basic with two plates only gets to 953. The advanced with three plate will hit 1100, still not the mythical 1200 So, if Luna saw a Gal Sentinel with 1200 armour then it was a PROTO with 4 plates, but hey, who am I to get in the way of folks believing in whatever delusions they want. At the OP, good stuff and I'm in full support of course
Oxskull Duncarino Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:33:00 - [50] - Quote xSivartx wrote: Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice. Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty. P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude. Plates already do penalize the turn speed. The more plates on the suit the less of a ballerina I feel like

Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 239	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:35:00 - [51] - Quote Signed but something has to be done for the poor medium. They see a heavy and run into my shot gun, splitroast any one. Hit me with your nerf bat.
Oxskull Duncarino Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:37:00 - [52] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Scouts are the only guys who understand the heavy Oh and signed Yeh, it's always good to see the support and respect that both classes give to each other.
Ceerix MKII Arrogance. 59	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:57:00 - [53] - Quote I would leave Light weapons on the Commando (obviously) and the Basic heavy suits. Then make the Sentinel suits unable to use any light weapons. This would make a basic heavy have more options in weapon types, at the cost of some HP in the form of resistances that the sentinel get.
Satori Particle Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:16:00 - [54] - Quote I wish we could play for a week or two without worrying about changes.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:19:00 - [55] - Quote There is a serious over reaction (mostly by former slayer Logi who went scouts) that they can no longer kill a sentinel. These players feel 1v1 their fragile scout should win vs a brick tank, which is untrue. They want a nerf to anything they can't kill with their inferior tactics and strategy (and cloak crutch). These new scouts don't know how to take on a heavy properly, don't know how to be selective in engagements nor do they care to learn how to scout properly. They grab a cloak, run to the frontline, turn cloak on, and try to be a slayer. Its a predictable result and a predictable call for nerf. Scouts are not being used properly, cloaks are stupid and useless. They don't punish scouts for mistakes or poor judgement. They are a stupid crutch and should be removed. But to call for a nerf (as high as 20%) is ridiculous and just an overreaction made by scouts and mostly by former slayers. Its a joke.
XxWarlordxX97 4235	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:21:00 - [56] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Scouts are the only guys who understand the heavy Oh and signed Yeh, it's always good to see the support and respect that both classes give to each other. but its the middle class that CCP wants to keep happy Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million I love the Caldari Sentinel
Calamity Jane II TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 228	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:23:00 - [57] - Quote I remember the heavy of old from closed beta... the ones with massive health that you feared to run in to.... With the current EHP it feels nice to have that panic attack again and remember what it is to truly fight for your life to the last bullet against a heavy whether you win or not. DO NOT NERF THE FAT MAN! As a reborn scout suit I love the heavies and feel they finally got some love only to have it taken away. TL;DR No nerfy the big man please.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1885	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:46:00 - [58] - Quote It's waaaay too early to nerf our fatbros. Don't worry about any imbalances, CCP, you already know we can live with mind-numbing imbalance for freakin' months/years. I support SP rollover.
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 82	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:59:00 - [59] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent. Except that is physically impossible. STD with two complex plates is 900ish armor.....
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2603	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:02:00 - [60] - Quote As a player who specced scout and heavys i approve this thread. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun

Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 355	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:02:00 - [61] - Quote I support keeping heavies as they are. The Minmatar Heavy is already pathetic enough. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 250	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:04:00 - [62] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Mine has 1250
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 250	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:08:00 - [63] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced. The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent. Also, thats impossible with max skills on a std gal sent, the max armor achieveable is 953, not 1200 -_-" on a proto yes on a std, no
Yan Darn Science For Death 425	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:08:00 - [64] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: There is a serious over reaction (mostly by former slayer Logi who went scouts) that they can no longer kill a sentinel. These players feel 1v1 their fragile scout should win vs a brick tank, which is untrue. They want a nerf to anything they can't kill with their inferior tactics and strategy (and cloak crutch). These new scouts don't know how to take on a heavy properly, don't know how to be selective in engagements nor do they care to learn how to scout properly. They grab a cloak, run to the frontline, turn cloak on, and try to be a slayer. Its a predictable result and a predictable call for nerf. Scouts are not being used properly, cloaks are stupid and useless. They don't punish scouts for mistakes or poor judgement. They are a stupid crutch and should be removed. But to call for a nerf (as high as 20%) is ridiculous and just an overreaction made by scouts and mostly by former slayers. Its a joke. I can go with most this. Make heavies weak from behind and you can increase EHP by 20% for all I care. The Ghost of Bravo
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 854	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:26:00 - [65] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: I agree, as they stand now heavies are well balanced. Scouts are a little OP, but that is another matter. Just buff the mediums by a touch and bring them up with everyone else. Scouts are rather balanced, in they are finally a wothy suit but back on the matter I think before we nerf the heavy suit we should try a HMG nerf. But I don't know what to do with Light weapon Heavies they give medium Frames a hard time...ok scouts as well but at least we can hide (no not through the cloak more to our low profile)
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:33:00 - [66] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: Competition between Heavies and Scouts is great right now and a 20% hit to heavy eHP could make that go away. A sub 10K ISK Scout can obliterate a very expensive PRO heavy before the big guy gets turned around, but if the heavy sees the scout first in close quarters its over for the skinny. Why mess with that? I already feel bad (not really) when I take an expensive suit down. Not to mention the heavys that are on our team. They're great for standing behind. Commandos would own Heavies this way. Heavies are not that hard to kill if they are stuck in a bad spot. I don't why CCP is reducing their HP
XxWarlordxX97 4249	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:40:00 - [67] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: As a player who specced scout and heavys i approve this thread. This is the fine time I agree with you Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million specing in to the gallente heavy now
XxWarlordxX97 4249	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:41:00 - [68] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: There is a serious over reaction (mostly by former slayer Logi who went scouts) that they can no longer kill a sentinel. These players feel 1v1 their fragile scout should win vs a brick tank, which is untrue. They want a nerf to anything they can't kill with their inferior tactics and strategy (and cloak crutch). These new scouts don't know how to take on a heavy properly, don't know how to be selective in engagements nor do they care to learn how to scout properly. They grab a cloak, run to the frontline, turn cloak on, and try to be a slayer. Its a predictable result and a predictable call for nerf. Scouts are not being used properly, cloaks are stupid and useless. They don't punish scouts for mistakes or poor judgement. They are a stupid crutch and should be removed. But to call for a nerf (as high as 20%) is ridiculous and just an overreaction made by scouts and mostly by former slayers. Its a joke. I can go with most this. Make heavies weak from behind and you can increase EHP by 20% for all I care. Please don't Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million specing in to the gallente heavy now


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