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XxWarlordxX97
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:20:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:nerf is a harsh word
but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit
my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp
anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault)
and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path
this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this
So you are saying I need to be useless now
thanks
Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million
I love the Caldari Sentinel
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11766
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:23:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced.
The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent.
Impossible.
The highest amount of armour a fully complex plated STD Gal Sentinel can get is 950.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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AfroSunshineY Consequence
R 0 N 1 N
259
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:27:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:+-+
Don't nerf them that much.
Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be.
Decrease turn speed and strafing. Honestly, these guys shouldn't be able to dance. |
DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
278
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:29:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:nerf is a harsh word
but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit
my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp
anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault)
and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path
this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks
kick yourself in the nuts
the way it is NOW is making the logi useless
HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m
take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills
I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless
but I dont want the logi to be useless either
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
278
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:30:00 -
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AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:+-+
Don't nerf them that much.
Just decrease their turn speed like it used to be. Decrease turn speed and strafing. Honestly, these guys shouldn't be able to dance.
please and thank you
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
544
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:30:00 -
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I like being a heavy (but I have a scout alt and play scout logi) and I have to say that a nerf is out of order. This is definitely a case of HTFU. If you come at me head on in any form of CQC or open space, you will die.
Sneak up on me and hit me from behind, you have me and congratulations are awarded to you.
Engage me outside of my effective range with any rifle other than the Gallente AR (which really needs a buff for it's awful range).
This time, no nerf for us. Please. (Nerf tanks, hint hint). |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
107
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:32:00 -
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To be fair, I lay on the side to remove cloaks. I might be in the 5% if not less who think scouts don't need them. Nor do I feel right now sentinels need a 20% eHP nerf.
It seems like its a whole bunch of slayer scouts running around who feel they should 1v1 kill everything, including a sent. This shouldn't be the case.
Sents need tweaking, the removal of the light weapon in the heavy weapon slot should be #1 on that list. Let's see how Sents do without light weapons first, and make adjustments from there. Tweaking more than one issue is dangerous, nerf's should be done slowly and thoughtfully. Don't rush to nerf multiple things. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
544
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:35:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:To be fair, I lay on the side to remove cloaks. I might be in the 5% if not less who think scouts don't need them. Nor do I feel right now sentinels need a 20% eHP nerf.
It seems like its a whole bunch of slayer scouts running around who feel they should 1v1 kill everything, including a sent. This shouldn't be the case.
Sents need tweaking, the removal of the light weapon in the heavy weapon slot should be #1 on that list. Let's see how Sents do without light weapons first, and make adjustments from there. Tweaking more than one issue is dangerous, nerf's should be done slowly and thoughtfully. Don't rush to nerf multiple things.
The only problem taking the heavies ability away to wield light weapons is that they will only have the HMG and forge gun as weapons. For me, that's not a problem because being a Gallente Sentinel with an HMG is literally my destiny. However, others may have issues with only having two weapons on hand. |
XxWarlordxX97
4228
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:36:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:nerf is a harsh word
but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit
my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp
anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault)
and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path
this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks kick yourself in the nuts the way it is NOW is making the logi useless HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless but I dont want the logi to be useless either
how about this every class needs a logi to follow them around or there useless
now go tell the community that and tell me how that goes
Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million
I love the Caldari Sentinel
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Disturbingly Bored
Forum Warfare
2077
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:38:00 -
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Attempting to stay out of this discussion, as I am too fat.
Just wanted to say: I <3 you all, Skinnies.
Even when we're killing each other.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4053
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:38:00 -
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Don't nerf my freaking commando!!!!!!!
Ps. Love the cal scout ck.0
Fare well my commando's fist of god o7
Patron saint of commandos
Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8938
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:39:00 -
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Scout suck....such a boring playstyle.
Heavies however!
COMMANDO ME UP!
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
545
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:39:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:nerf is a harsh word
but IMHO heavy's need to be tweaked a bit
my problem with them may be the hmg or the ehp
anyways the hmg is killing at 40+ meters (std not assault)
and yesteday I seen heavy after heavy running around with zero logi support and wrecking everything in their path
this IMO is not right, the heavy should need logi support to do this So you are saying I need to be useless now thanks kick yourself in the nuts the way it is NOW is making the logi useless HMG is doing optimal damage at 40m take a look around, heavy's are running around with ZERO support and getting 20+ kills I for one dont want the heavy to be useless or the hmg to be useless but I dont want the logi to be useless either
Any good player will get those scores no matter what suit they use and whether they have logi support or not.
How about logi's needing logi support, or are they the only class allowed to play solo? |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
293
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Heavies don't need a nerf. The HMG could possibly use a small ROF nerf, but the fact that I've actually been seeing more heavies with HMG's makes it worth it. No nerf. Leave it, CCP. They're still cannon fodder out in the open.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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D4GG3R
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
68
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:42:00 -
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#SaveTheFatties!-í!-í!-í!
Shout out to all my Pre-1.8 scout brothers!
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
1031
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:44:00 -
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The advantage scouts had against heavies was the overwhelm by rushing around the heavies. That's just gone now.
CCP Saberwing "Vehicles have taken a step in the right direction"
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xSivartx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:58:00 -
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Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice.
Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty.
P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude. |
Youknowutimsayin
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
42
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 -
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xSivartx wrote:Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice.
Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty.
P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude.
I run STD shotgun (prof 5) on all my fits and almost every heavy I run across is squishy enough to be done in 3-4 shots. The first two land before you can turn around, and the last one is right as the HMG spins up. A heavy nerf means I don't get to look you in the eyes as you die.  |
Oxskull Duncarino
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
508
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced.
The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. my amarr sentinel has 1100 armor 
Don't listen to idiots like Luna that don't have an idea of what they're talking about. As has been stated already the basic with two plates only gets to 953. The advanced with three plate will hit 1100, still not the mythical 1200  So, if Luna saw a Gal Sentinel with 1200 armour then it was a PROTO with 4 plates, but hey, who am I to get in the way of folks believing in whatever delusions they want.
At the OP, good stuff and I'm in full support of course |
Oxskull Duncarino
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
508
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:33:00 -
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xSivartx wrote:Just a heavy reading and absorbing everyone's thoughts. Just remember, those that are nice to enemy heavies will be killed quickly. Those that are needlessly mean will be killed even quicker. Twice.
Opinion: I support a slight turn speed increase and that additional plates should increase that penalty.
P.S. You sneaky little buggers startle me quite frequently as of late. Coming out of nowhere. How rude.
Plates already do penalize the turn speed. The more plates on the suit the less of a ballerina I feel like |
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Horizen Kenpachi
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:35:00 -
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Signed but something has to be done for the poor medium. They see a heavy and run into my shot gun, splitroast any one.
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Oxskull Duncarino
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
508
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:37:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Scouts are the only guys who understand the heavy
Oh and signed
Yeh, it's always good to see the support and respect that both classes give to each other. |
Ceerix MKII
Arrogance.
59
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:57:00 -
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I would leave Light weapons on the Commando (obviously) and the Basic heavy suits. Then make the Sentinel suits unable to use any light weapons. This would make a basic heavy have more options in weapon types, at the cost of some HP in the form of resistances that the sentinel get. |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
36
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:16:00 -
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I wish we could play for a week or two without worrying about changes. |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
108
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:19:00 -
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There is a serious over reaction (mostly by former slayer Logi who went scouts) that they can no longer kill a sentinel.
These players feel 1v1 their fragile scout should win vs a brick tank, which is untrue. They want a nerf to anything they can't kill with their inferior tactics and strategy (and cloak crutch).
These new scouts don't know how to take on a heavy properly, don't know how to be selective in engagements nor do they care to learn how to scout properly. They grab a cloak, run to the frontline, turn cloak on, and try to be a slayer. Its a predictable result and a predictable call for nerf.
Scouts are not being used properly, cloaks are stupid and useless. They don't punish scouts for mistakes or poor judgement. They are a stupid crutch and should be removed. But to call for a nerf (as high as 20%) is ridiculous and just an overreaction made by scouts and mostly by former slayers. Its a joke. |
XxWarlordxX97
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:21:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Scouts are the only guys who understand the heavy
Oh and signed Yeh, it's always good to see the support and respect that both classes give to each other.
but its the middle class that CCP wants to keep happy
Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million
I love the Caldari Sentinel
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Calamity Jane II
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
228
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:23:00 -
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I remember the heavy of old from closed beta... the ones with massive health that you feared to run in to.... With the current EHP it feels nice to have that panic attack again and remember what it is to truly fight for your life to the last bullet against a heavy whether you win or not. DO NOT NERF THE FAT MAN! As a reborn scout suit I love the heavies and feel they finally got some love only to have it taken away.
TL;DR No nerfy the big man please. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1885
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:46:00 -
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It's waaaay too early to nerf our fatbros.
Don't worry about any imbalances, CCP, you already know we can live with mind-numbing imbalance for freakin' months/years.
I support SP rollover.
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Kara Anschel
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
82
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:59:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Heavies are, well, heavy. I don't think they are broken (exception Gal Sent. I'll explain in a moment.) I think they are pretty well-balanced.
The exception is Gal Sent. Saw one yesterday with 1200 armour. Nearly forgot the best part. It was a STD Gal Sent.
Except that is physically impossible. STD with two complex plates is 900ish armor..... |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2603
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:02:00 -
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As a player who specced scout and heavys i approve this thread.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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