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Youknowutimsayin
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:33:00 -
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Scout QQ
Cloak QQ
Shotgun QQ
Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them? You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:36:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:37:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Yup, annoying, too bad I 2 shot them though.
Closed beta vet
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Warbot Titan X
Badge of Blood
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:37:00 -
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I agree. I kinda enjoy running around with my scout without cloak. With 2 complex precision enhancers and a complex range amp on my cal scout... Love it.
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Youknowutimsayin
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:38:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya.
Why would anyone worry about slow scouts?
I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. |
Jack Kittinger
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:42:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote: You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet.
I kno wuut you sayin!!
It's annoying at first but that was because I didn't expect it, after the third scout materialized next to me only to miss me by jumping too early and shooting the air with that ADV shottie it was obvious:
ewar has changed
just roll with the punches
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault
invisible
cloaked
2 equipment slots
faster
need I go on?
Anime > EVERYTHING
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:47:00 -
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Jack Kittinger wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote: You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet. I kno wuut you sayin!! It's annoying at first but that was because I didn't expect it, after the third scout materialized next to me only to miss me by jumping too early and shooting the air with that ADV shottie it was obvious: ewar has changed just roll with the punches I usually sneak up on them, cloak and go away, wait til they're busy and kill them again then kill the kast guy at an objective and hack it...
Closed beta vet
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:25:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote: Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them?
Not to mention I did that perfectly fine last build without needing a cloak.
People never check corners.
I am your scan error.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1390
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:26:00 -
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the scouts make the game more fun |
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:00:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on?
So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:15:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on? So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad. it's not about who's good or bad. i'm not telling anyone how to build any suit, i'm stating ACTUAL FACTS.
i personally don't brick tank my scout suits, but the fact is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FACT scouts are basically invisible. FACT scouts are faster than assaults. FACT
you should understand how that feels, to have your role outdone by another suit in every way possible. that was the scout life pre 1.8. i f*cking hate brick tanked fotm scouts, but i understand why they are doing it. the assault suit is the new scout suit now, and that is NOT RIGHT, and this is coming from scout.
i'm happy we got our much needed buffs, but in the process, it negatively affected another role. that's why there are so many assault scouts now. not that it's right, because again, i f*cking hate them, but because they are almost at a disadvantage by running assault instead of brick tanked scout.
never thought i'd be defending medium frames.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:27:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them. scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!
Fixed.
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Aria Gomes
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:33:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:15:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on?
2 and 3 are redundant, the fourth is false if the 2 and 3 are true, and the fifth is only accurate in 50% of the possible brick fits.
Biscuit I'm going to say that you need to go on simply because that post was so awful that you need to redeem yourself.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:33:00 -
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there's nothing but infantry clashes it looks like TF2. by the second night good players are already pre spraying/bombing areas scouts like to hide in.
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them. scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!
Fixed. 1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:06:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on? 2 and 3 are redundant, the fourth is false if the 2 and 3 are true, and the fifth is only accurate in 50% of the possible brick fits. Biscuit I'm going to say that you need to go on simply because that post was so awful that you need to redeem yourself. the fourth is true in 100% of the cases. a 1000 ehp scout will always be faster than a 1000 ehp assault.
the post is pretty accurate. it is for the reason I said in the post you quoted that people are running assault scouts. it does everything an assault does plus more, and that's pretty obvious problem. I know how it feels to have my role outdone by another in every way possible, so I don't want any other role to experience it any more than it has to.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
690
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:15:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:24:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:
2 equipment slots
faster
need I go on?
So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad.[/quote] it's not about who's good or bad. i'm not telling anyone how to build any suit, i'm stating ACTUAL FACTS.
i personally don't brick tank my scout suits, but the fact is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FACT scouts are basically invisible. FACT scouts are faster than assaults. FACT
you should understand how that feels, to have your role outdone by another suit in every way possible. that was the scout life pre 1.8. i f*cking hate brick tanked fotm scouts, but i understand why they are doing it. the assault suit is the new scout suit now, and that is NOT RIGHT, and this is coming from scout.
i'm happy we got our much needed buffs, but in the process, it negatively affected another role. that's why there are so many assault scouts now. not that it's right, because again, i f*cking hate them, but because they are almost at a disadvantage by running assault instead of brick tanked scout.
never thought i'd be defending medium frames. [/quote]
+1
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Drop it like its hat.
I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
405
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:37:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:is that YOU CAN.
scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them. scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!
Fixed. 1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault. 2.) easier said than done 3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault. I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
I think some people are getting overly defensive against your posts and are afraid to ask the question 'why would you play 3/4 assaults over a brick tanked scout?'.
Assaults need a buff.
And maybe scouts need to trade EHP for something ewar related - I think the technical limit on speed has messed up a crucial aspect of differentiating/balancing lights against meds
Now I wait to get flamed by people who will assume I'm a med frame because I dared to suggest something is up with scout/assault balance.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:41:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Yup, annoying, too bad I 2 shot them though. Shotgun those "invisible" noobs and tea bag their "invisible" body after you kill them.
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Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:51:00 -
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Because the majority of the community can only pew pew.If they have to think about how to counter something then it's op and the QQ begins. It was supposed to be a sand box game but the community keeps kicking the sand out. |
byte modal
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:27:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff.
Yeah, I wanted to comment on this reply real fast before moving on through the thread. If I'm missing something as a follow-up, my bad.
Anyway, I wanted to agree with this. I've played scout more than most suits. Last build I relied HEAVILY on the scanner to find a path through or to flank. I dropped it this build though and find I'm doing as well, if not better, without it. Hell, without cloak too. Personally I think that's more to do with filling out my passive scan and damp skills, but that makes me question style. Why is that? I liked the placebo comment too earlier in the thread, regarding the cloak. For me, using the scanner has forced me to take a bird's eye view of the game and that has taught me to be more aware of my surroundings and possible encounters. In that, I guess I've learned to be more cautious. Having played scout, I then default to think like a scout. Even if I'm in a commando suit, I still run and try to predict what would be an opposing scout's tactic. I feel that because of this learned behavior, cloaks don't catch me off guard nearly as much as the guy next to me. I've seen them run in and out of cover and I've been able to track them well enough while cloaked. Hell, I've killed my fair share of them while running heavy before they get their alpha. With that said, I know the scouts I'm running into are probably all just playing with a new toy and are just as bad as I am in this game, but it's the concept that I'm trying to get at: perception.
I wonder how much of the complaints (for ALL suits/gear) is due to being so used to playing assault vs. assault tactics. I mean AR was the game for quite a while. Throwing that out now to deal with cloaked stealth and annoying ambushes is a whole different tactic than face to face "I shot you!" "NO! I shot YOU!" encounter. Cloaks are making obvious what was already a common tactic without it. People were still being shot in the back of the head while hacking, sniping, and rounding corners before cloaks. People never bothered turning around to look then, why would they now? Take cloaks back out, it's still going to happen, just now everyone is testing it like it's something new. Just spin and spray as suggested above as needed and done. Mostly though, think like a rabbit to catch a rabbit. While your game may not be hunting scouts, so to speak, you do have to be aware of them and consider their methods to avoid the potential ambush that they pose. That's pretty much with everything is this game.
Anyway, back on point. Carry on!
Edit: To be clear, I'm seeing cloaks in motion... While I did note skilling up my passive scan, I am not finding cloaks through my minimap as a commando. I am seeing the shimmer because I am passively looking for it as I turn corners and such.
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:28:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:Scout QQ
Cloak QQ
Shotgun QQ
Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them? You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet.
Cloaks fixed scouts, and its glorious.
Dont care that you can cloak, only care that you can fire while cloaked.
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byte modal
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:33:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:Because the majority of the community can only pew pew.If they have to think about how to counter something then it's op and the QQ begins. It was supposed to be a sand box game but the community keeps kicking the sand out.
You said it perfectly. I wish I had seen your post before rambling through my wall of text. lol. +1.
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Cinder Integ
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
146
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:37:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts
fixed that for ya. Why would anyone worry about slow scouts? I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be. same ehp as an assault invisible cloaked 2 equipment slots faster need I go on?
Cooked flux, Mass Driver... Need I go on?
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
693
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:38:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Dont care that you can cloak, only care that you can fire while cloaked. But you can't, so your argument is invalid.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:18:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.
2.) easier said than done
3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.
I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.
If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff. ok, let me get this straight. i don't have problem with scouts AT ALL. i'm not talking about me, as i've been a scout for a LONG time, way before 1.8. i'm talking about assault players who decided to go fotm brick tank scout.
everything you're saying, i already know and have stated plenty of times before, but that's not what this is about. it's about the fact that there is NOTHING an assault can do that a scout can't do the same, if not better. i'm not understanding what's so hard to understand about this. the assault is still a good suit, but like the scout suit pre 1.8, it is outdone by other suits in every way.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1099
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:21:00 -
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Lol about the invisible part. I'v been spending today laser rifling slow bricktanked invisible scouts.
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