You should be more worried about the BRICK TANKED FOTM Scouts

fixed that for ya.

fixed that for ya.

You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet.

Why would anyone worry about slow scouts?

I guess I'll brick tank one and see what all the fuss is about, but all of my scout fits from Dragonfly to gK.0 are proper shild tanked scouts, as it should be.

I kno wuut you sayin!!

It's annoying at first but that was because I didn't expect it, after the third scout materialized next to me only to miss me by jumping too early and shooting the air with that ADV shottie it was obvious:

ewar has changed

just roll with the punches

Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them?

same ehp as an assault

invisible

cloaked

2 equipment slots

faster

need I go on?

So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be
Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad.

is that YOU CAN.

scouts can get the same ehp as assaults. FALSE
scouts are basically invisible. Meh. Use an SMG to find them.
scouts are faster than assaults. NO **** SHERLOCK!

fixed that for ya.

same ehp as an assault

invisible

cloaked

2 equipment slots

faster

need I go on?

Fixed.

2 and 3 are redundant, the fourth is false if the 2 and 3 are true, and the fifth is only accurate in 50% of the possible brick fits.

Biscuit I'm going to say that you need to go on simply because that post was so awful that you need to redeem yourself.

1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.

2.) easier said than done

3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.

I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.

2 equipment slots

faster

need I go on?

1.) pretty sure 1000 ehp is the same as assault.

2.) easier said than done

3.) yes, it is quite obvious. hence why people are using the scout instead of the assault.

I'm not afraid to admit that the scout buff has broken assaults and that is WRONG.

Yup, annoying, too bad I 2 shot them though.

If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff.

Scout QQ

Cloak QQ

Shotgun QQ

Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them? You should be more worried about the assault Scouts who are always on the move, flanking your strongholds and dropping REs at your feet.

Cloaks fixed scouts, and its glorious.

Because the majority of the community can only pew pew.If they have to think about how to counter something then it's op and the QQ begins. It was supposed to be a sand box game but the community keeps kicking the sand out.

same ehp as an assault

invisible

cloaked

2 equipment slots

faster

need I go on?

Dont care that you can cloak, only care that you can fire while cloaked.

If you can't see a scout running toward you, then you really need to use your eyes more than the scanner. I know, I know, it's going to be a tough transition from the "You have been scanned" tell-all days of yore, but seriously, unless a scout is just standing there, cloaked, not moving at all, they're incredibly easy to spot. The shimmer makes then stand out like crazy. Aim your weapon at the shimmer and fire. I know you'll have to use your eyeballs and brain more, but hey, it's a small tradeoff.

I think some people are getting overly defensive against your posts and are afraid to ask the question 'why would you play 3/4 assaults over a brick tanked scout?'.

Assaults need a buff.

And maybe scouts need to trade EHP for something ewar related - I think the technical limit on speed has messed up a crucial aspect of differentiating/balancing lights against meds

Now I wait to get flamed by people who will assume I'm a med frame because I dared to suggest something is up with scout/assault balance.

Scouts who cloak up and camp objectives earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them?

Redline snipers earn what? 550WP per game? They aren't effective and aren't a threat so why all the QQ about them?

So its faster and cloaked while having an extra equipment slot like a scout should be
Only bad players tank scout suits, if you cant kill them then your bad.

Not to mention I did that perfectly fine last build without needing a cloak.

People never check corners.


I completely called it. Cloaks added a sortof placebo effect to help people realize they can do what we always could.

ok, let me get this straight. i don't have problem with scouts AT ALL. i'm not talking about me, as i've been a scout for a LONG time, way before 1.8. i'm talking about assault players who decided to go fotm brick tank scout.

everything you're saying, i already know and have stated plenty of times before, but that's not what this is about. it's about the fact that there is NOTHING an assault can do that a scout can't do the same, if not better. i'm not understanding what's so hard to understand about this. the assault is still a good suit, but like the scout suit pre 1.8, it is outdone by other suits in every way.

Hey, all apologies for my part. I got caught up in the scout = invisible death thing earlier on and I guess your posts were read, at least by me, out of context.

I get what you're saying, but I wonder how much of this is simply due to the newness of the new scout slots + the shiny new toy that is the cloak. Right now it's a whole new thing. Assaults may be jumping to scout to test things out and finding they can get the drop on a lot of people much easier than with an assault---currently. What happens when the player base adapts? I play scout so I watch for scout tactics. Keeps me safe, generally at least from scouts. We've been so used to straight up assault AR/AR conflicts that anything different is a huge contrast. So assaults are converting to play a perceived superior assault role, through the scout suit. Players are doing so to either to take part in the advantages that they see or just to screw around with something new. So what comes when some players get tired of it all and decide to spec and gear strictly into scout hunters? Cal scouts turning on cloaked scouts for the challenge may actually bring some balance back. Scouts could be the balancing solution for... well... scouts! Those cloaked scouts may (ya, or may not..sure) get frustrated being sniffed out and revert back to their tried and true method of killing.... including hunting non-cloaking scouts. I just typed scouts a lot =\

I dunno. You have points, but I really think a lot of this is FoTM chasing. Once a few players adapt and counter that will only cause a new ripple effect. Maybe some adjustments are still needed. Sit tight and let's find out? I'm actually excited by it all.

A bit off topic, I am curious of the 2 equipment slot thought process. Scouts get a bonus so OK sure, so scouts are using cloaks now. Stealth for what? Getting behind lines to re-hack? We don't need another equipment slot to help with that. Camping objectives? No need for a second slot there either. Dropping uplinks I guess? Gets us in a little easier, I suppose, to then switch over for a drop, then cloak back out or something. If not, then why the extra slot? Why not either cloak OR uplink. If that's the point of it then why not just make it its own unique slot like the grenade. With it being a second slot, the cloak to me seems more an afterthought novelty without a real role. As has already been noted, scouts were already doing without cloaks what scouts are doing now with. There's just an arse-load more of them playing with the new toy.

Just feels odd to me. Then again, who the hell am I? lol.

- me.

^

I agree with a lot of that.

Could it turn out that 'real' scouts are the ones that convince the assaults to **** off back to their med frames?