DUST Search - THE HEAVY NERF IS NEEDED

Rusty Shallows wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever...

Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field..

Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced.

Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling...

If you nerf HMG rather than suit you are only hurting HMG heavies and giving the green light to rifle heavies. I can promise you there'd be RR and CR heavies everywhere. We had a high HP suit, low DPS HMG for months and the result was that the HMG went almost extinct.

Nerfing the suit is the right way to go, I'm not sure if 20% is the right number though, maybe 10 or 15 would be better. Don't see how high DPS is a backwards concept for the heavy, the whole point of the suit is to carry a damn minigun.

I don't think Sentinel's with Rifles can compete with rifle specialists now. Commando's with that 10% damage buff and decent health, destroy fake heavies...

HMG DPS wasn't low when fully applied.. But the problem with the HMG wasn't it's stats... IT was that literally the HMG bullet spread was a Pixel... A singular Pixel.. There are 50 posts on it and Youtube vids documenting it. Once that got hotfixed the HMG worked.

Part of the HMG DPS was missing. If it was all passing through the center dot the pen & paper damage values would have been fully applied. Anyone who could aim center-of-mass at that point would have wrecked everything inside the optimal. Many of us are familiar with the kind of hip fire DPS an AR or SMG can do with dispersion. Just imagine even more damage with pin-point accuracy. There wouldn't have been the migration to Light Weapons since it was clear the AR had a superior DPS inside 20 meters.

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3367	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:17:00 - [31] - Quote Cloaking is a joke.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2200	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:19:00 - [32] - Quote Their HP is fine but they can react extremely quick, jump turn slaughter, and their damage is 50% higher than any other. Their HP should remain high, but their turn speed and HMG damage should be reduced. For the Federation!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2200	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:20:00 - [33] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I think cloaking is a bigger issue. Cloaking isn't to bad if your paying attention, for starters nobody is 100% cloaked, and if you run you are very visible. What we need is cloakers to be uncloaked when damaged, but at the same time the AA and red dot when aiming at a cloaked target needs to go. For the Federation!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 402	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:21:00 - [34] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Their HP is fine but they can react extremely quick, jump turn slaughter, and their damage is 50% higher than any other. Their HP should remain high, but their turn speed and HMG damage should be reduced. That's not fair at all. Are you even a heavy? Hiding behind walls and objects is all we have. If we can't turn fast enough to kill a cloaked scout, you're taking away our only advantage. And it would completely ruin the Minmatar heavy. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2259	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:24:00 - [35] - Quote bamboo x wrote: In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of mostly medium suits but a squad of 3 heavies and 3 logis on a cargo hub. They had 8 to 10 heavies. Now don't try to tell me those heavies couldn't get picked off by RR and CR in 1.7 And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work, NERF THAT ** CCP realizes unlike we do that the sentinels are OP as ** without the HP nerf Wether its necessary or not, they shouldn't do it by 20%, 10% at most, anyless and heavy suits would be marginalised again. CCP need to think carefully before they apply a nerf to heavy suits. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 159	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:25:00 - [36] - Quote Cloaking is a bigger issue by far ..but interesting concept, so keep it ! Just give the cloaking device some sort of a sound when running it so you can at least hear them coming lol......The shotgun is the problem. I have two different race proto heavies ..I hardly use them cause i just die to much in them ...nerving heavy is beyond CRAZY!!! Join the March ,see the universe , meet interesting people and kill them G£¬ http://grimmarch.wix.com/grim-march-ver1
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 402	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:26:00 - [37] - Quote People, stop going off topic or I will report you. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3368	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:27:00 - [38] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Their HP is fine but they can react extremely quick, jump turn slaughter, and their damage is 50% higher than any other. Their HP should remain high, but their turn speed and HMG damage should be reduced. In head-to-head fights, bigger is supposed to be better. There is not supposed to be a balance here. Bigger IS better, period. If it wasn't, there would be no reason for bigger to exist in the first place. To get around this, you apply the use of personal intelligence to create a situation that is more favorable for lighter frames. A lighter frame can move faster, which gives it the ability to flank when a bigger foe is distracted, or seek high ground where the larger foe simply cannot follow or return fire effectively. Every suit has its strength. The heavy suit is the king of direct combat, and it should never be balanced in this regard. It is meant to dominate, and it should dominate. If you want to kill a heavy, you already have all of the tools necessary at your disposal. There is no need to nerf it.
General Regret PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 23	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:30:00 - [39] - Quote There not actually not that bad. They needed a hp boost, and I dont really personally play them. If anything 10% nerf max just to take the edge off those base stats.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 458	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:32:00 - [40] - Quote bamboo x wrote: pagl1u M wrote: I am all for a heavy nerf... With this thread you almost convinced me they shouldnt nerf them! Il You just contradicted yourself. Lol No I didnt... Can you Read?

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 403	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:34:00 - [41] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: bamboo x wrote: pagl1u M wrote: I am all for a heavy nerf... With this thread you almost convinced me they shouldnt nerf them! Il You just contradicted yourself. Lol No I didnt... Can you Read? I re-read it and understood it a few minutes ago. You want them to be OP. But there's a limit. When my Sentinel ak.0 is still dying to other sentinel races with HMGs, even though it has a 15% projectile resistance, there is a problem. I should have been tearing through them like butter and walking away with at least some health. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Rusty Shallows 1266	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:40:00 - [42] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... If you nerf HMG rather than suit you are only hurting HMG heavies and giving the green light to rifle heavies. I can promise you there'd be RR and CR heavies everywhere. We had a high HP suit, low DPS HMG for months and the result was that the HMG went almost extinct. Nerfing the suit is the right way to go, I'm not sure if 20% is the right number though, maybe 10 or 15 would be better. Don't see how high DPS is a backwards concept for the heavy, the whole point of the suit is to carry a damn minigun. I don't think Sentinel's with Rifles can compete with rifle specialists now. Commando's with that 10% damage buff and decent health, destroy fake heavies... HMG DPS wasn't low when fully applied.. But the problem with the HMG wasn't it's stats... IT was that literally the HMG bullet spread was a Pixel... A singular Pixel.. There are 50 posts on it and Youtube vids documenting it. Once that got hotfixed the HMG worked. Part of the HMG DPS was missing. If it was all passing through the center dot the pen & paper damage values would have been fully applied. Anyone who could aim center-of-mass at that point would have wrecked everything inside the optimal. Many of us are familiar with the kind of hip fire DPS an AR or SMG can do with dispersion. Just imagine even more damage with pin-point accuracy. There wouldn't have been the migration to Light Weapons since it was clear the AR had a superior DPS inside 20 meters. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. BwaHahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 161	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:40:00 - [43] - Quote bamboo x wrote: pagl1u M wrote: bamboo x wrote: pagl1u M wrote: I am all for a heavy nerf... With this thread you almost convinced me they shouldnt nerf them! Il You just contradicted yourself. Lol No I didnt... Can you Read? I re-read it and understood it a few minutes ago. You want them to be OP. But there's a limit. When my Sentinel ak.0 is still dying to other sentinel races with HMGs, even though it has a 15% projectile resistance, there is a problem. I should have been tearing through them like butter and walking away with at least some health. Listen "butter cup" just because you didn't melt everyone doesn't mean justifying a total nerf on heavy hp..You know how many times if been steamrolled as a heavy by normal assaults..plenty i tell you .. Join the March ,see the universe , meet interesting people and kill them G£¬ http://grimmarch.wix.com/grim-march-ver1
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:41:00 - [44] - Quote I think the biggest problem right now, is that the mediums have to adapt to the new situation! They used to rush everywhere they went, without too much concerns about heavies even on their hometurf (closed quarter). Now, that the mediums get owned if they rush in like kamikazes, they complain, instead of taking a coordinated more careful aproach. If you soften heavies with nades and MD's and rush them from several angles, you will prevail, even with an assault suit. There might be casualties, but it's not a picnick out there anymore even for you assault bro's.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 403	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:43:00 - [45] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Listen "butter cup" just because you didn't melt everyone doesn't mean justifying a total nerf on heavy hp..You know how many times if been steamrolled as a heavy by normal assaults..plenty i tell you .. Watch your mouth and be respectful. Our corp is very good we are full of efficient killers. We couldn't even touch them. I swear to god there wasn't even a scout on their team, it was all Sentinels and Logis. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Oxskull Duncarino Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:44:00 - [46] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: bamboo x wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? **** that. We had a PERFECT TEAM in that PC. Our dropship just flipped because we had to pick up a stray squad member (which we shouldn't have done) EVEN IF WE GOT TO THE POINT FIRST like we should have done, THEY WOULD HAVE STILL SLAUGHTERED US. Get better. Heavies are everywhere. Clearly your team was not perfect. This, many times over You obviously didn't have a perfect team. PC is all about setting a team up with full knowledge of the potential opposition setup and taking into account all bugs and glitches. There is no PERFECT team. There is though, a perfect battle commander. You bamboo, have been coming on these forums acting like you know the game, and quote reasons for nurffs/buffs based off one or two games, yet are so obviously up up own...........that no one that has even a small bit of cop on takes seriously. Do go on though, I find ya entertaining
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 161	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:46:00 - [47] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Listen "butter cup" just because you didn't melt everyone doesn't mean justifying a total nerf on heavy hp..You know how many times if been steamrolled as a heavy by normal assaults..plenty i tell you .. Watch your mouth and be respectful. Our corp is very good we are full of efficient killers. We couldn't even touch them. I swear to god there wasn't even a scout on their team, it was all Sentinels and Logis. Your a Joke , I don't respect clowns , I laugh at them !!! Join the March ,see the universe , meet interesting people and kill them G£¬ http://grimmarch.wix.com/grim-march-ver1
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 403	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:56:00 - [48] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: This, many times over You obviously didn't have a perfect team. PC is all about setting a team up with full knowledge of the potential opposition setup and taking into account all bugs and glitches. There is no PERFECT team. There is though, a perfect battle commander. You bamboo, have been coming on these forums acting like you know the game, and quote reasons for nurffs/buffs based off one or two games, yet are so obviously up up own...........that no one that has even a small bit of cop on takes seriously. Do go on though, I find ya entertaining Go ahead, keep talking. Our corp is full of very experienced, very good players and this heavy spam is just OP and there's nothing else to it. I'm going to leave you disrespectful forum trolls to rot in your own filth. Screw this forum. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 161	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:09:00 - [49] - Quote YOUR CEO should spank you ...naughty boy Join the March ,see the universe , meet interesting people and kill them G£¬ http://grimmarch.wix.com/grim-march-ver1
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 70	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:16:00 - [50] - Quote bamboo x wrote: In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of mostly medium suits but a squad of 3 heavies and 3 logis on a cargo hub 3 points in the city. They had 8 to 10 heavies. Now don't try to tell me those heavies couldn't get picked off by RR and CR in 1.7 And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work CCP realizes unlike we do that the sentinels are OP without the HP nerf 3 Heavies and 3 Logi will always lose to 8 Heavies, they have strength in numbers. If you're using an ak.0 yourself, campaigning for a nerf will make it even harder for you. The ak.0's 15% resist to projectiles is countered by the HMG proficiency's 15% boost to damage vs. armour. Couple that with multiple HMG's firing and those 3 Heavies you had will be overwhelmed. Throw in reps, Nanohives and the fact that they literally doubled up on each of you, of course their Heavies were going to steamroll you. Purifier. First Class.

Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2070	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:21:00 - [51] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am enjoying being OP while it lasts, but yeah, the 20% HP nerf is needed, due to our increased effective health from all the resists. Totally disagree. By changing the Sentinels piddly 1.7 bonuses to affect EHP, and then reducing total HP by a greater amount than the resists, CCP is essentially stripping Sentinel of its bonuses. It's like going into work and having your boss say: "Good work! We're making a change around here and now we'll be paying out bonus checks up to 15% of your pay! Oh, and by the way, we'll be cutting your base pay by 20% at the same time." It's complete ***** stupidity. I'd rather have my underwhelming reload bonus and totally useless overheat damage bonus back. This is exactly the kind of thoughtless nerfbat wielding by CCP that I feared would happen. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord** CCP Logibro]
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1114	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:54:00 - [52] - Quote ok so from i've read, you were in PC and your DS pilot botched a landing and so your squad gets ambushed by 8 heavies? and because of that reason you want the heavies nerfed when you yourself are using a heavy suit? if your squad managed to get ambushed by 8 heavies then clearly your "corp" sucks. very experienced and very good??? after what you said about being ambushed by those 8 heavies? im really doubting that very experience and very good part. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Nirwanda Vaughns Death Firm. 465	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:58:00 - [53] - Quote as long as they take the 20% they're wanting to tak eoff, gather em all up and just stick them on the minny suit. then it might actually be a viable heavy suit haha Rolling with the punches
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1216	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:13:00 - [54] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: ok so from what i've read, you were in PC and your DS pilot botched a landing and so your squad gets ambushed by 8 heavies? and because of that reason you want the heavies nerfed when you yourself are using a heavy suit? if your squad managed to get ambushed by 8 heavies then clearly your "corp" sucks. very experienced and very good??? after what you said about being ambushed by those 8 heavies? im really doubting that very experience and very good part. someone finally got the gist about the scub OP and his scrub logic
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [55] - Quote This is now an offical "don't nerf my heavy or ill quit tread." Ccp sure knows how to suck all the fun out a game. :( Signed, Sealed, Delivered
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2739	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:35:00 - [56] - Quote Na the op got out played end of :-P. Dusts tempo has slowed right down and the twitch players are haveing trouble implementing simple squad tackets like bring MDs or heavys in the way lets do this carefully. Blindrushing any suit will get u killed down u cant assume having faster twitch is gunna win u the fight "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2385	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:35:00 - [57] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: ok so from what i've read, you were in PC and your DS pilot botched a landing and so your squad gets ambushed by 8 heavies? and because of that reason you want the heavies nerfed when you yourself are using a heavy suit? if your squad managed to get ambushed by 8 heavies then clearly your "corp" sucks. very experienced and very good??? after what you said about being ambushed by those 8 heavies? im really doubting that very experience and very good part. someone finally got the gist about the scub OP and his scrub logic I think nearly every thread on the first page pointed it out :P ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1668	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:47:00 - [58] - Quote I looked because of the tital of this post... I stayed because of the OP's tears nom nom nom The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1454	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:45:00 - [59] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... If you nerf HMG rather than suit you are only hurting HMG heavies and giving the green light to rifle heavies. I can promise you there'd be RR and CR heavies everywhere. We had a high HP suit, low DPS HMG for months and the result was that the HMG went almost extinct. Nerfing the suit is the right way to go, I'm not sure if 20% is the right number though, maybe 10 or 15 would be better. Don't see how high DPS is a backwards concept for the heavy, the whole point of the suit is to carry a damn minigun. I don't think Sentinel's with Rifles can compete with rifle specialists now. Commando's with that 10% damage buff and decent health, destroy fake heavies... HMG DPS wasn't low when fully applied.. But the problem with the HMG wasn't it's stats... IT was that literally the HMG bullet spread was a Pixel... A singular Pixel.. There are 50 posts on it and Youtube vids documenting it. Once that got hotfixed the HMG worked. Part of the HMG DPS was missing. If it was all passing through the center dot the pen & paper damage values would have been fully applied. Anyone who could aim center-of-mass at that point would have wrecked everything inside the optimal. Many of us are familiar with the kind of hip fire DPS an AR or SMG can do with dispersion. Just imagine even more damage with pin-point accuracy. There wouldn't have been the migration to Light Weapons since it was clear the AR had a superior DPS inside 20 meters. Between the hit detection and the way CCP Updates the Server/Client.. It isn't the case. Most people on the AR left their Sharpshooter on the AR at 1 so they had a more forgiving spread on the AR. People only started getting sharpshooter when CCP patched DUST to allow the bullets to have infinite travel but fall off damage then people started getting sharpshooter to keep that pin point better at medium-long range engagements. There were plenty of People in this corporation for example who have run Heavy exclusively for a year... Who was able to put the old Bullet spread to deadly use.. But now with a generalized circle and the way the spread reacts, its near impossible to miss what that giant circle reitcule is on...
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1350	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:49:00 - [60] - Quote Oh Bamboo x, I remember the hate thread you generated for the ScR back in the day. Fun stuff :D The Sinwarden



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