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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:18:00 - [1] - Quote In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of at least 5 or 6 heavies on a city map... The enemy had more heavies, and our deployment screwed up because our dropship rolled over... And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work, NERF THAT **** I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2369	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:19:00 - [2] - Quote So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:22:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? **** that. We had a PERFECT TEAM in that PC. Our dropship just flipped because we had to pick up a stray squad member (which we shouldn't have done) EVEN IF WE GOT TO THE POINT FIRST like we should have done, THEY WOULD HAVE STILL SLAUGHTERED US. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 167	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:24:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of at least 5 or 6 heavies on a city map... The enemy had more heavies, and our deployment screwed up because our dropship rolled over... And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work, NERF THAT **** That happened before1.8 and it'll always happen in a city map as long as heavies exist in this game Pass The A/1 Sauce
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2370	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:29:00 - [5] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? **** that. We had a PERFECT TEAM in that PC. Our dropship just flipped because we had to pick up a stray squad member (which we shouldn't have done) EVEN IF WE GOT TO THE POINT FIRST like we should have done, THEY WOULD HAVE STILL SLAUGHTERED US. Get better. Heavies are everywhere. Clearly your team was not perfect. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 661	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:31:00 - [6] - Quote Or bring a Forge gun. HP don't matter when you one shot them. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:35:00 - [7] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: bamboo x wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? ** that. We had a PERFECT TEAM in that PC. Our dropship just flipped because we had to pick up a stray squad member (which we shouldn't have done) EVEN IF WE GOT TO THE POINT FIRST like we should have done, THEY WOULD HAVE STILL SLAUGHTERED US. Get better. Heavies are everywhere. Clearly your team was not perfect. Man you, your big mouth, shut the ** up. I'm better at video games than you have ever been. I've been playing video games longer than you. Thank you CCP. They realize better than we do that heavy spam without the eHP nerf will be OP as ****. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:38:00 - [8] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: bamboo x wrote: In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of at least 5 or 6 heavies on a city map... The enemy had more heavies, and our deployment screwed up because our dropship rolled over... And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work, NERF THAT **** That happened before1.8 and it'll always happen in a city map as long as heavies exist in this game That's pure crap. We had enough heavies to counter that IF this was balanced, but it's not. There were 3 logis on 6 heavies running around. Even if we killed the logis the heavy would still be left slaughtering everything. Our corp is GOOD AT KILLING. We got slaughtered because heavies are OP and unbalanced. PERIOD. NOT TO MENTION my amarr sentinel HMG resist bonus was NOT APPLYING because of the spawn glitch I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:42:00 - [9] - Quote FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO SEES THE LIGHT! NERF THE HOOVY CCP NOW!!! Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 750	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:45:00 - [10] - Quote How about a nice big cup of shut the ** up "You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.GÇ¥.** - CCP commenting on heavies

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1210	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:49:00 - [11] - Quote funny because MD and PLC direct hits still slaughter heavies and if you abuse cover by popping out, firing and hiding you get almost no damage in return.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2372	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:49:00 - [12] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Shruikan Iceeye wrote: bamboo x wrote: In a Planetary Conquest We just had a team of at least 5 or 6 heavies on a city map... The enemy had more heavies, and our deployment screwed up because our dropship rolled over... And OH MY GOD. HMGs everywhere slaughtering us. Even me in my MAXED OUT AMARR SENTINEL. All the kills were HMG kills. I take it back CCP, keep up the good work, NERF THAT **** That happened before1.8 and it'll always happen in a city map as long as heavies exist in this game That's pure crap. We had enough heavies to counter that IF this was balanced, but it's not. There were 3 logis on 6 heavies running around. Even if we killed the logis the heavy would still be left slaughtering everything. Our corp is GOOD AT KILLING. We got slaughtered because heavies are OP and unbalanced. PERIOD. NOT TO MENTION my amarr sentinel HMG resist bonus was NOT APPLYING because of the spawn glitch waaaa heavies are OP because our heavies couldn't kill their heavies and my heavy's hp was bugged cpp nerf heavy pl0x Do you realise how silly that sounds? You need better heavies. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1450	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:51:00 - [13] - Quote Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:53:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... Yeah that's true. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 457	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:54:00 - [15] - Quote I am all for a heavy nerf... With this thread you almost convinced me they shouldnt nerf them! Il
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 400	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:55:00 - [16] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: I am all for a heavy nerf... With this thread you almost convinced me they shouldnt nerf them! Il You just contradicted yourself. Lol I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 168	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:57:00 - [17] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... The thing is that the nerfs on the rifles are damn near negligible and I could see CCP taking you advice and making the hmg he BB gun it used to be. Before 1.8 a heavy could Kill you before you breached his shields BUT only within 20 m. Heavies are exactly where they need to be imo Pass The A/1 Sauce
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 914	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:59:00 - [18] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... If you nerf HMG rather than suit you are only hurting HMG heavies and giving the green light to rifle heavies. I can promise you there'd be RR and CR heavies everywhere. We had a high HP suit, low DPS HMG for months and the result was that the HMG went almost extinct. Nerfing the suit is the right way to go, I'm not sure if 20% is the right number though, maybe 10 or 15 would be better. Don't see how high DPS is a backwards concept for the heavy, the whole point of the suit is to carry a damn minigun.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3366	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:02:00 - [19] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: So nerf heavies because you're a scrub and can't do better than 47/14 including OB kills? **** that. We had a PERFECT TEAM in that PC. Our dropship just flipped because we had to pick up a stray squad member (which we shouldn't have done) EVEN IF WE GOT TO THE POINT FIRST like we should have done, THEY WOULD HAVE STILL SLAUGHTERED US. Low ground CQC is dominated by heavies. They spammed heavies because you wouldn't use the counter, which is high ground with mass driver spam. I assume you were on a cargo hub. If you were on a production facility, you have no excuse because heavies are worthless outside of the computer room. High ground saucer overwatch destroys them. If you were on a surface research lab, you also have no excuse. Underground point is dominated by overwatch in several areas and is open to orbital bombardment. High ground point has several angles to flank from, as well as a higher-ground landing pad atop the bridge that can effectively be used to out-range and destroy any heavies on point defense. So basically, your "perfect team" got outplayed. Having better gungame is not the answer to every situation.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1453	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:05:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Bethhy wrote: Heavies Survivability is awesome.. It's what everyone asked for forever... Their damage output is crazy though... They can't be the best tanks and DPS on the field.. Heavies should have their damage output adjusted not the Healthpoints reduced. Such backwards concept for a heavy in terms of a fix it's mind boggling... If you nerf HMG rather than suit you are only hurting HMG heavies and giving the green light to rifle heavies. I can promise you there'd be RR and CR heavies everywhere. We had a high HP suit, low DPS HMG for months and the result was that the HMG went almost extinct. Nerfing the suit is the right way to go, I'm not sure if 20% is the right number though, maybe 10 or 15 would be better. Don't see how high DPS is a backwards concept for the heavy, the whole point of the suit is to carry a damn minigun. I don't think Sentinel's with Rifles can compete with rifle specialists now. Commando's with that 10% damage buff and decent health, destroy fake heavies... HMG DPS wasn't low when fully applied.. But the problem with the HMG wasn't it's stats... IT was that literally the HMG bullet spread was a Pixel... A singular Pixel.. There are 50 posts on it and Youtube vids documenting it. Once that got hotfixed the HMG worked.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2831	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:06:00 - [21] - Quote I am enjoying being OP while it lasts, but yeah, the 20% HP nerf is needed, due to our increased effective health from all the resists. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 307	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:20:00 - [22] - Quote Jastad wrote: Or bring a Forge gun. HP don't matter when you one shot them. Firstly, Forge Gun has been crap since 1.6. Secondly the Gallenete Heavy can tank direct forge fire and be core repped high enough before the second Proto Assault Forge can fire. Secondly, I don't agree with the Heavy Nerf because I been having a crap time with the low EHP of the Caldari heavy and not able to have 5 squad mates core rep me. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 662	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:22:00 - [23] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Jastad wrote: Or bring a Forge gun. HP don't matter when you one shot them. Firstly, Forge Gun has been crap since 1.6. Secondly the Gallenete Heavy can tank direct forge fire and be core repped high enough before the second Proto Assault Forge can fire. Secondly, I don't agree with the Heavy Nerf because I been having a crap time with the low EHP of the Caldari heavy and not able to have 5 squad mates core rep me. I've yet to find a heavy that resist a Forge Round in the FACE. EDIT to make clear i am a Ground Forger user EDIT-AGAIN My Cal.Heavy is really good as a Forge-gun platform. Sometimes is need to use the Amarr Heavy as a Forge platform, when RR are rampant the Amarr is better. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 401	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:35:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Low ground CQC is dominated by heavies. They spammed heavies because you wouldn't use the counter, which is high ground with mass driver spam. I assume you were on a cargo hub. This. Yeah, we just learned the hard way that heavy spam is more important now. But you can't have everyone on your team with mass drivers dude... we had some good RE users and they still couldn't do much. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3366	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 - [25] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am enjoying being OP while it lasts, but yeah, the 20% HP nerf is needed, due to our increased effective health from all the resists. You only have 10% to 15% more HP against guns than you did in 1.7 good sir. Taking away 20% is effectively making you WEAKER than you were in 1.7. You're actually gonna be ok with that?
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 401	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:01:00 - [26] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Secondly, I don't agree with the Heavy Nerf because I been having a crap time with the low EHP of the Caldari heavy and not able to have 5 squad mates core rep me. No, just no. You shouldn't be expecting much at CQC with the Caldari heavy. That role is supposed to be a Forger that can instantly regain its shields. Period. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 401	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:03:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I am enjoying being OP while it lasts, but yeah, the 20% HP nerf is needed, due to our increased effective health from all the resists. You only have 10% to 15% more HP against guns than you did in 1.7 good sir. Taking away 20% is effectively making you WEAKER than you were in 1.7. You're actually gonna be ok with that? No because the rifles all got a small nerf. This is just like the tanks vs AV problem. You weaken the counter, but buff the suit/tank and it's too much. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 73	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:08:00 - [28] - Quote That is obviously a PC not the heavy suits. Everyone is dedicated when it comes to PC and do whatever tactic they want to win :P.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3367	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:13:00 - [29] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I am enjoying being OP while it lasts, but yeah, the 20% HP nerf is needed, due to our increased effective health from all the resists. You only have 10% to 15% more HP against guns than you did in 1.7 good sir. Taking away 20% is effectively making you WEAKER than you were in 1.7. You're actually gonna be ok with that? No because the rifles all got a small nerf. This is just like the tanks vs AV problem. You weaken the counter, but buff the suit/tank and it's too much. Rifles aren't the counter, though. Not unless they are at range or on high ground, in which case the heavy is entirely defenseless anyway. HMG is supposed to beat them head to head, and it's going just that because the suit can soak up a lot of damage and the HMG can rip people apart. Walk about twenty feet back, or elevate yourself five feet up, and the entire situation changes. How is that already not balanced? I am willing to admit that most people are too stupid to actually play in an intelligent manner and counter the heavy suit accordingly, but should balance changes really be made based on general player stupidity instead of what is actually possible to do?
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 248	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:17:00 - [30] - Quote I think cloaking is a bigger issue.



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