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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:40:00 -
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you shoot them...or if they get fluxed.
Unless the cloaking device is a force field as well, you should decloak if you take any damage to shields or armor.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:42:00 -
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I will bump this everytime I hit a guy and he doesn't decloak. Because this is a nobrainer.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:43:00 -
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as long as they are cloaked they can't shoot back though so I'm quite satisfied with how it is now
TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2086
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:51:00 -
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They can't even take out their weapon while cloaked. Cloaks were nerfed before they came out. And CCP saw it was good.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:08:00 -
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Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:10:00 -
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I mean....seriously...what is your argument for being able to take damage and not decloak? I mean, a flux grenade should
Disrupt all electrical equipment, right? This shouldn't even be debatable. You take damage, you decloak...period!
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:14:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument.
I thought the cloak was pretty easy to spot and in your scenario you should have been extra alert since you knew there was a cloaked guy near you 
TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY.
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
761
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:15:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument.
He outsmarted you. plain and simple. it is very easy to see a moving cloaked scout. if you cant see him then you have problems. |
Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:58:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument.
I don't know if it's just me but I have no problem seeing them when they're cloaked.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I will bump this everytime I hit a guy and he doesn't decloak. Because this is a nobrainer. Excellent way to get a forum ban!
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I mean....seriously...what is your argument for being able to take damage and not decloak? I mean, a flux grenade should
Disrupt all electrical equipment, right? This shouldn't even be debatable. You take damage, you decloak...period!
Not all electrical equipment or your TacNet would stop working and any vehicle that gets fluxed would begin to stall. Should I start a thread because I fluxed a guy and his nova knives/rail weapon still worked?
CCP confirmed a while ago that cloaks would function this way and I highly doubt they are gonna go back on that just because of your poor gun game....then again stranger things have happend
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:09:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument.
Wait, how did he get behind you If you saw him cloak.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:18:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument. Wait, how did he get behind you If you saw him cloak.
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TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY.
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:27:00 -
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I agree with getting fluxed. I don't really know my thoughts on decloaking when shot.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
291
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:30:00 -
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On the issue of cloaking when shot, it should be the same way they do shield regeneration on vehicles, so you have to overwhelm the cloaking field to disable it.
But yea, fluxes should reclaim everything in range. It's not like they'll be spammed with the grenade and equipment nerf, and even then, it still won't kill you
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
994
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:33:00 -
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Let me shoot while cloaked and you have a deal.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
471
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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I don't mind the cloak not dropping when shot. You can still see the shield impact effect so any rapid fire weapon sprayed in a circle could alert you to the scouts presence.
The EMP from a flux should affect it, but we have hardened circuitry nowadays so its not a big deal imho.
I have a problem with those people playing at higher levels of brightness being able to see the cloaks under any circumstance. I have no idea how you could change this but it still seem like a dirty move.
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
262
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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I'll agree for fluxes, but a single shot from a hip firing AA user I think not.
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ReGnYuM
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:28:00 -
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Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:49:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical.
this isnt your typcal FPS.
im against it because you can be seen anyways even while not moving. then the heavies are also using the HMG to 'scout check,' meaning they just shoot in a relaitve area they think a scout is. the bullet spread is so massive, they just need to point in the general direction...
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:58:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical.
Who cares what other FPS games have done. Dust is way too generic as it is. Seriously, Dust could really benefit a lot from simply ignoring what other FPS games have done.
Go play those other games if you so desire. I, for one, would like to see Dust be something interesting someday.
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maka rax
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:24:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical.
Oh, I know! A game called Dust 514 has this feature. Soo, yeah. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
2633
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:47:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument. I thought the cloak was pretty easy to spot and in your scenario you should have been extra alert since you knew there was a cloaked guy near you
Of course, I was on alert.......but if I can't see him walk behind me what are you supposed to do?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:49:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ok...well, let me explain to you guys what happens.
I shoot at a guy, he takes damage. Then he cloaks himself. I shoot at him..even flux. He walks behind me and 2 shots me in the back with a shotgun.
So, what you guys are saying isn't the best argument. Wait, how did he get behind you If you saw him cloak.
I started to shoot at him at relative close range. He ran behind cover and I saw him disappear. After that, there was nothing until he was behind me with the shotty.
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:57:00 -
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It should decloak at a certain threshold of damage, but not from the first shot. Flux should imediately knock them off.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
2633
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:33:00 -
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General12912 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical. this isnt your typcal FPS. im against it because you can be seen anyways even while not moving. then the heavies are also using the HMG to 'scout check,' meaning they just shoot in a relaitve area they think a scout is. the bullet spread is so massive, they just need to point in the general direction...
Why do you guys need so much help to stay alive though? What ever happened to skill? You guys want to be invisible to be able to kill people.
Now, the cloak is in and I'm not asking for it to be removed. Just requesting what makes sense and what is fair. If you take damage, your field should disrupt. AT THE VERY LEAST......your shimmer should be at max and it shouldn't dissipate immediately, like it does now.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:36:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:It should decloak at a certain threshold of damage, but not from the first shot. Flux should imediately knock them off.
ok...what would be a reasonable threshold?
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Dremel wp
Shadow Company HQ
Lokun Listamenn
27
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:22:00 -
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After a days' worth of gaming, I am of the conclusion that we need sound effects for footsteps, and decloaking if the cloaks are to remain anything like they are now. Not seeing, or not hearing, I can't stand both when combined with the now higher HP suits.
Also I find hitscan to be off today when shooting light frames, I don't know if this is hit detection, or smaller hit boxes on the light frames?
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:30:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:General12912 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Dude, feedback is full of such carebears...
In what game in the existence of a FPS has a cloak been able to stay active when under fire. Its just stupid and illogical. this isnt your typcal FPS. im against it because you can be seen anyways even while not moving. then the heavies are also using the HMG to 'scout check,' meaning they just shoot in a relaitve area they think a scout is. the bullet spread is so massive, they just need to point in the general direction... Why do you guys need so much help to stay alive though? What ever happened to skill? You guys want to be invisible to be able to kill people. Now, the cloak is in and I'm not asking for it to be removed. Just requesting what makes sense and what is fair. If you take damage, your field should disrupt. AT THE VERY LEAST......your shimmer should be at max and it shouldn't dissipate immediately, like it does now.
the cloaking device isnt meant to kill though. it was simply made to be able to hide virtually anywhere.
we need extra help because it takes less than a second to kill a true scout (not a tanked scout scrub).
in a scout's case, our skill is more based on brains than button smashing. it takes brains to know when to actually use a cloaking device, and when to come out and attack. there is alot of brains and outmaneuvering involved.
why isnt it like that right now? because a majority of people skilled into scout for the cloaking device due to he respec, but they have no idea how to properly run a scout.
dont get me wrong though, i am grateful for the respec. i would have never been able to swap from Amarr sentinel/commando to Gallente sentinel/commando without it.
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Nevyn Tazinas
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:13:00 -
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Cloaks should decloak when they switch to a gun. Instantly. I've personally experienced the 'shooting while cloaked' Exploit now. |
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