DUST Search - Isn't it a conflict of interests for a CPM to rule all of PC?

Athena Dare wrote:

So CPM Kane Spero now rules over Molden Heath in Dust, tell me how CCP doesn't see this as a conflict of interests? CPM's get advanced Intel about the future of the game the rest of us do not get. Yet CCP doesn't see it as a problem that somehow Kane has effectively become king of Molden Health. You can no longer own a district in Molden heath if Kane doesn't want you to. He controls the best corps in the game AE, TP, NS, ERA and others. He can get them to take any district in the game. If doesn't get your district the first time he can keep you locked down until he finally beats you. Now his plans are to keep, farm and hold all of Molden Heath except PFC (Oddeluf) and Thunder-dome (Bosena) which will net him and his friends in excess of 2 Billion ISK a Day(DUST ISK)

Now the average player doesn't know the details of the road map for Dust 514, if we did I suppose it would kind of like being able to see the first 4 numbers of the next lottery. There is no way this information has not helped Kane Spero do what he did. NTM somehow make corps like Ancient Exiles, Team Players, and Nyain San do his bidding, all the while somehow making it seem like they are in charge.

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Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 17	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:35:00 - [1] - Quote So CPM Kane Spero now rules over Molden Heath in Dust, tell me how CCP doesn't see this as a conflict of interests? CPM's get advanced Intel about the future of the game the rest of us do not get. Yet CCP doesn't see it as a problem that somehow Kane has effectively become king of Molden Health. You can no longer own a district in Molden heath if Kane doesn't want you to. He controls the best corps in the game AE, TP, NS, ERA and others. He can get them to take any district in the game. If doesn't get your district the first time he can keep you locked down until he finally beats you. Now his plans are to keep, farm and hold all of Molden Heath except PFC (Oddeluf) and Thunder-dome (Bosena) which will net him and his friends in excess of 2 Billion ISK a Day(DUST ISK) Now the average player doesn't know the details of the road map for Dust 514, if we did I suppose it would kind of like being able to see the first 4 numbers of the next lottery. There is no way this information has not helped Kane Spero do what he did. NTM somehow make corps like Ancient Exiles, Team Players, and Nyain San do his bidding, all the while somehow making it seem like they are in charge.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 268	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:38:00 - [2] - Quote I found it interesting that 1 week before the changes to PC were posted by CCP, members of Spero's corp were advertising in general chat to sell districts for 200 mil. Even offering to teach people how to lock them after they had purchased. I'm not saying he breached the NDA, just saying i found it interesting.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3684	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:39:00 - [3] - Quote Well, he is a player as well as a CPM, so- Wait, what intel did he get that impacted his decision making? Serious question. And on a sidenote, I don't think CCP is bothered by elite corporations teaming up with each other. I could be wrong but history says that CCP wants the players to make the changes instead of them intervening, unless it was something dirty involved. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3165	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:41:00 - [4] - Quote im interested in knowing how knowing the future of the game helps him control the present. Is knowing where the Heavy Laser is in development help him take over districts currently? Selling Templar BPO's Last of the BPO's(Click link) I feed off your tears
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries 4902	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:43:00 - [5] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: So CPM Kane Spero now rules over Molden Heath in Dust, tell me how CCP doesn't see this as a conflict of interests? CPM's get advanced Intel about the future of the game the rest of us do not get. Yet CCP doesn't see it as a problem that somehow Kane has effectively become king of Molden Health. You can no longer own a district in Molden heath if Kane doesn't want you to. He controls the best corps in the game AE, TP, NS, ERA and others. He can get them to take any district in the game. If doesn't get your district the first time he can keep you locked down until he finally beats you. Now his plans are to keep, farm and hold all of Molden Heath except PFC (Oddeluf) and Thunder-dome (Bosena) which will net him and his friends in excess of 2 Billion ISK a Day(DUST ISK) Now the average player doesn't know the details of the road map for Dust 514, if we did I suppose it would kind of like being able to see the first 4 numbers of the next lottery. There is no way this information has not helped Kane Spero do what he did. NTM somehow make corps like Ancient Exiles, Team Players, and Nyain San do his bidding, all the while somehow making it seem like they are in charge. It's funny how so many people don't understand anything. Did you see Mittens get kicked off the CSM when his coalition was controlling nearly all of null-sec? What you do in the game has nothing to do with you in reality. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 19	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:45:00 - [6] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: im interested in knowing how knowing the future of the game helps him control the present. Is knowing where the Heavy Laser is in development help him take over districts currently? No but knowing exactly how PC 2.0 will work in the future, can get him a large amount isk being the guy the controls dust.
Nocturnal Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2492	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:45:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly IMO If you have any possession of power that's connected to CCP you should be in the middle class of the community. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Hauker Due Pro Hic Immortalis 46	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:46:00 - [8] - Quote art imitating life
Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 19	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:47:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Did you see Mittens get kicked off the CSM when his coalition was controlling nearly all of null-sec? What you do in the game has nothing to do with you in reality. Wow Eve references from long ago in a dust forum
Oswald Rehnquist 1310	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:49:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: im interested in knowing how knowing the future of the game helps him control the present. Is knowing where the Heavy Laser is in development help him take over districts currently? I think the second post covers that, the selling off of districts before the PC changes was most likely due to insider information which he received, due to knowing that CCP is making changes to make it harder / less profitable to defend / lock districts. It is what it is, its not my top concern at any rate. The blueing up is entirely due to the fact that PC became harder to block people out of it with the changes, so instead of getting challenged / losing districts, they have opted to blue up as a line of defense instead since they couldn't depend on the old mechanics to protect them to the same extent. @OP Kane isn't breaking any rules so I'd think you'd have a hard case to get some one kicked off based on that alone. Below 28 dB

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1511	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:51:00 - [11] - Quote I don't like the Blue Donut and I'm fairly sure I hate it more than the majority of this thread but let's not jump the gun here. He's a player. Jenza was a CPM member when she did the same thing with Cronos. Didn't make it bad then, doesn't make it bad now. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1887	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote This class of CPMs we've had for DUST have been a joke as far as the position. But perhaps it is because they are put in an impossible position. Is it a conflict of interest? Of course. People in the large alliances get all the patch notes and information about any update well in advance from leaked CPM preparation. They don't tell you this because: 1. It breaks the rules of the game. 2. They don't want others to have any advantage as well. Why do you think Nyain San has millions of SP wrapped up in FoTMs the very day they are released? When I was in the large alliances, I was told exact information about the upcoming dropsuits, the mauler event, etc... It was factual and 100% accurate every time, because it came directly from the source. Is Kane Spero on of these leaks? Probably, but it can't be proven by CCP. I'm sure most of the CPMs leak information since the playerbase is so knitted together. What surprises me about Kane Spero, is how he managed to be a CPM, in charge of PFC, MH, run a DUST-EvE plex service, become the richest player in the game, etc... That took a lot of planning and manipulating on his part, and the community went along with it. Is he a bad person? Who knows, who cares. Is he a good player? Not in DUST 514 is he any good, not even as an FC. But he found his way to the top, and will do whatever it takes to stay there. Everyone in New Eden is nothing but a resource to him. My personal dealing with him, he has been nothing but polite, professional, and man of his word. I ain't got time for dat sh!t
Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 19	Posted - 2014.03.25 04:56:00 - [13] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: @OP Kane isn't breaking any rules so I'd think you'd have a hard case to get some one kicked off based on that alone. I am not looking to get anyone "kicked off" But looking to change the way CCP can just grant some people overwhelming power over the game, which in this case breaks PC once again. Now PC has a king and you are only allowed to live on 2 planets, if you are not among his elite.
Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 19	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:01:00 - [14] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: I don't like the Blue Donut and I'm fairly sure I hate it more than the majority of this thread but let's not jump the gun here. He's a player. Jenza was a CPM member when she did the same thing with Chronos. Didn't make it bad then, doesn't make it bad now. Yeah it kind of did make it bad then. Jenza used her advanced knowledge to give her alliance an advantage. Not quite as large a problem as this is, but still gave one person an advantage no one else had. PC IS BROKEN now again, and if Kane had his way he will farm most of PC until 2.0 comes out then he will profit from being the premiere provider of dust mercs to eve corps that want the resources Dust districts provide!
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1765	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:06:00 - [15] - Quote This thread is full of facepalm. Forums>Dead and dying game
mollerz 2865	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:07:00 - [16] - Quote 8213 wrote: Is he a bad person? Who knows, who cares. Is he a good player? Not in DUST 514 is he any good, not even as an FC. But he found his way to the top, and will do whatever it takes to stay there. Everyone in New Eden is nothing but a resource to him. At the end of the day- On his death bed, I hope this isn't the sum of all his achievements. You;d have to waste a whole lot of youth to put this much effort into a game. Hope he never has to fully realize that You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Athena Dare Revenge of the Fallen IMPS 19	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:07:00 - [17] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: I don't like the Blue Donut and I'm fairly sure I hate it more than the majority of this thread but let's not jump the gun here. He's a player. Jenza was a CPM member when she did the same thing with Chronos. Didn't make it bad then, doesn't make it bad now. Yeah it kind of did make it bad then. Jenza used her advanced knowledge to give her alliance an advantage. Not quite as large a problem as this is, but still gave one person an advantage no one else had. I mean we didn't even vote for these people. PC IS BROKEN now again, and if Kane had his way he will farm most of PC until 2.0 comes out then he will profit from being the premiere provider of dust mercs to eve corps that want the resources Dust districts provide!
mollerz 2865	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:13:00 - [18] - Quote Jenza also made it her mission to hunt down Dust 514 footage to have it removed from the internet. Not because of anything other than "If I can't do it, no one can".. yep. She wasn't technically wrong, but she is also the same person you don't invite to birthday parties. Or any parties. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 348	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:18:00 - [19] - Quote im a merc i don't care who i work for as long as i get paid. I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1326	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:18:00 - [20] - Quote Information is the most valuable commodity in the world, and when used correctly... well, need I say more? The Sinwarden

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5926	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:21:00 - [21] - Quote Implying someone else isn't plotting his downfall as we speak. Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. Top Men. 328	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:35:00 - [22] - Quote FACE-DESK some people man some people... just call me communist space king noob MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
Oswald Rehnquist 1310	Posted - 2014.03.25 05:38:00 - [23] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Yeah it kind of did make it bad then. Jenza used her advanced knowledge to give her alliance an advantage. Not quite as large a problem as this is, but still gave one person an advantage no one else had. PC IS BROKEN now again, and if Kane had his way he will farm most of PC until 2.0 comes out then he will profit from being the premiere provider of dust mercs to eve corps that want the resources Dust districts provide! Athena Dare wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: @OP Kane isn't breaking any rules so I'd think you'd have a hard case to get some one kicked off based on that alone. I am not looking to get anyone "kicked off" But looking to change the way CCP can just grant some people overwhelming power over the game, which in this case breaks PC once again. Now PC has a king and you are only allowed to live on 2 planets, if you are not among his elite. I think your concern is not without merit, its very possible that the mechanical problems in PC can be a ticking time bomb, but there is still the implicit elephant in the room. You are giving us: Postulate 1: CPM Insider Information is Powerful Postulate 2: It is being used by CPMs to dominate/abuse New Eden Result: Not good for the health of game Solution: ........ While the solution isn't stated, it would obviously be to break one of the two postulates, which is innately understood by everyone in the thread. Interestingly enough, CPMs are being left out of more and more information about several of changes being introduced to Dust. Below 28 dB
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 924	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:01:00 - [24] - Quote I kinda liked PC better when CRONOS and EoN was around. When they were on the opposite sides there was no chance of playing farmville. Now look at it. Corps are getting so much ISK there is no cure to it anymore, they can't be stopped now. Gunlogi
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1869	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:17:00 - [25] - Quote This is why Pyrex, me and many others are against the Cpm in general. It happened in EVE... Drop it like its hat.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:20:00 - [26] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: So CPM Kane Spero now rules over Molden Heath in Dust, tell me how CCP doesn't see this as a conflict of interests? CPM's get advanced Intel about the future of the game the rest of us do not get. Yet CCP doesn't see it as a problem that somehow Kane has effectively become king of Molden Health. You can no longer own a district in Molden heath if Kane doesn't want you to. He controls the best corps in the game AE, TP, NS, ERA and others. He can get them to take any district in the game. If doesn't get your district the first time he can keep you locked down until he finally beats you. Now his plans are to keep, farm and hold all of Molden Heath except PFC (Oddeluf) and Thunder-dome (Bosena) which will net him and his friends in excess of 2 Billion ISK a Day(DUST ISK) Now the average player doesn't know the details of the road map for Dust 514, if we did I suppose it would kind of like being able to see the first 4 numbers of the next lottery. There is no way this information has not helped Kane Spero do what he did. NTM somehow make corps like Ancient Exiles, Team Players, and Nyain San do his bidding, all the while somehow making it seem like they are in charge. Ok, so trash his name in forum daily. See that he isn't voted in... Yea he owns half of the dust corps, so thst likely won't happen, well better luck next time. Unless you somehow get a few youtubers to agree with you, the majority (myself included) doesn't know about this stuff, doesn't care either. I pick up the controller, play a few games solo until I get bored and stop playing. If spero wants to be king ****, he can if he wants to put effort into it. Maybe you should e-mail CCP and not post in a forum they don't often check.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4776	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:25:00 - [27] - Quote I hope you know, kain doesn't exactly "control" the corps. Also, the only issue I see, is the amount of isk being generated. I mean... Isn't the amount of isk we (DNS) are generating on EVE levels? Surely that'd be kinda broken once the open market comes out... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13675	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:31:00 - [28] - Quote /popcorns CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
jerrmy12 kahoalii 638	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:33:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: /popcorns /passes a soda Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2547	Posted - 2014.03.25 06:39:00 - [30] - Quote Secret information about upcoming changes in the future? I wish i would know about stuff beforehand so i could post that crap stright on the forums. And im not happy with blueing up with every twatt in the game. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun



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