Magsec SMG, damage of pre 1.8 assault rifles, with the same range as them too. oh, and fires faster than an assault rail rifle.

Range>you.

Everyone please use MagSec so the QQ can begin and they will be nerfed to their rightful place

Assault SMG Pros:
Higher DPS ignoring magsec's charge time
Significantly higher DPS including magsec's charge time (especially if they don't shoot their whole clip).
Higher ROF makes it easier to hit targets
Better shield penalty (only 5% compared to magsec's 10% penalty)
Bigger magazine size
Faster reload
More ammo
Uses 1 less PG

Magsec's Pros:
Longer range
Higher damage per individual bullet
Slightly more damage per clip (about 50 more damage)
Uses 2 less CPU

Correct - DPS only matters if you are in the range to achieve it.

You understand the DPS potential of an Assault rifle compared to a RR?

What happens when you add effective ranges and 4 months of practicality in seeing what Advantage range gives you?

Assault SMG Pros:
Higher DPS ignoring magsec's charge time
Significantly higher DPS including magsec's charge time (especially if they don't shoot their whole clip).
Higher ROF makes it easier to hit targets
Better shield penalty (only 5% compared to magsec's 10% penalty)
Bigger magazine size
Faster reload
More ammo
Uses 1 less PG

Magsec's Pros:
Longer range
Higher damage per individual bullet
Slightly more damage per clip (about 50 more damage)
Uses 2 less CPU

The little advantages here and there for the ASMG are totally obliterated by the MSMG range advantage.

You could have made the same post before 1.7 saying AR>RR. And look how that turned out.

The comparison is not accurate as we don't know how an assault MagSec will work (if this will ever come). Apart from that the assault smg requires more SP to use.

Apart from that you are right the Assault SMG has Higher DPS but i really don't get the point of your statement... as no one ever stated the MagSec will be the best overall weapon.

We just stated the MagSec will make the SMG obsolete and this statement is still true and the Magsec will most likely make the AR obsolete and this is also still true.

Better shield penalty (only 5% compared to magsec's 10% penalty)

No you couldn't
Rail rifle has more dps

SMG has significantly more DPS but less range
That's fair IMO and I personally think the Assault SMG is better

Except its DPS is significantly less

So?
Ar damage with rail rifle ROF isn't very good
Assault SMG has better DPS
Also damage is less than the AR

Nope. Without accounting for RR charge it's:

467.5 AR
465.3 RR

And of course AR is comfortably ahead in DPS if you take charge time into account. It's a pretty similar situation to SMG versus MSMG.

EDIT: values calculated for 1.7 at proto level.

Nope. Without accounting for RR charge it's:

467.5 AR
465.3 RR

And of course AR is comfortably ahead in DPS if you take charge time into account. It's a pretty similar situation to SMG versus MSMG.

EDIT: values calculated for 1.7 at proto level.

Comparison]
AR
Range: 45m optimal, 78m effective
DPS: (750 x 37.4 / 60) = 467.5
Damage profile: -10% shields, +10% armor

RR
Range: 75 optimal, 102 effective
DPS: (461.54 x 60.5 / 60) Gëê 465.39
Damage profile: +10% shields, -10% armor


They are both around the same... The range makes one gun almost completely obsolete though.

Are the numbers quoted for the aSMG in this thread taking into consideration the 1.8 nerfed damage?

pretty sure that is incorrect

Assault SMG Pros:
Higher DPS ignoring magsec's charge time
Significantly higher DPS including magsec's charge time (especially if they don't shoot their whole clip).
Higher ROF makes it easier to hit targets
Better shield penalty (only 5% compared to magsec's 10% penalty)
Bigger magazine size
Faster reload
More ammo
Uses 1 less PG

Magsec's Pros:
Longer range
Higher damage per individual bullet
Slightly more damage per clip (about 50 more damage)
Uses 2 less CPU

It's a difference of 2 DPS and the assault rail rifle has higher dps

'I was wrong about AR versus RR DPS so I'm going to change the subject and hope no one notices'.

Yes on paper the RR has slightly less DPS (2 pts) but gets double the range that's the problem. The charge has never be a problem for experienced RR users(as I started to use the RR I didn't even noticed the charge). Thanks to the tighter hip fire you could bring down AR user pretty easily.

Also consider that AR users have to spent way more SP to achieve a halfway comparable accuracy...