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Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 688	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:53:00 - [1] - Quote proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2062	Posted - 2014.03.24 12:55:00 - [2] - Quote Nope. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2039	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote I think it is, it will definately be interresting to see... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 46	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:06:00 - [4] - Quote Has anyone figured out how long the TTK is gonna be with different fittings? I think there must be some spreadsheet-maniac out there who already did that...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1840	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:07:00 - [5] - Quote Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. Drop it like its hat.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1160	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:07:00 - [6] - Quote My TTK will be staying the same. One charge swipe for mediums/lights. One charge and one uncharged for heavies.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2675	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:08:00 - [7] - Quote Protostomping is sickness of another issue. Pro gear should always beat mlt adv gear or whats the point of having diffrent levels of gear, the problem is the lack of personal ability to chose your level of risk. Via low isk payouts but you can only bring std gear. Or huge payouts but your gunna face everything the otherside has. Cure the sickness not the symptom "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1985	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:10:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah, we knew this is all that will come of it. It will do jack squat for non Protos, but make proto gear unstoppable again. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3422	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:13:00 - [9] - Quote If people continue to brick tank then TTK may be going up around 30%. It may even be higher if everyone drops their damage modules and fits shield extenders. Most people are unimaginative and just want to stand there in the open and shoot until dead. I'm hoping to actually run one or two fewer modules for tank and go back to more electronic warfare. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1119	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:14:00 - [10] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Protostomping is sickness of another issue. Pro gear should always beat mlt adv gear or whats the point of having diffrent levels of gear, the problem is the lack of personal ability to chose your level of risk. Via low isk payouts but you can only bring std gear. Or huge payouts but your gunna face everything the otherside has. Cure the sickness not the symptom This man right here understands. Investigate 9/11
Deltahawk Durango Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 163	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:19:00 - [11] - Quote you wrong... OP damage mods and profiency skill get nerfed... hp advantage is same, damage advantage is less... I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1985	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:25:00 - [12] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Protostomping is sickness of another issue. Pro gear should always beat mlt adv gear or whats the point of having diffrent levels of gear, the problem is the lack of personal ability to chose your level of risk. Via low isk payouts but you can only bring std gear. Or huge payouts but your gunna face everything the otherside has. Cure the sickness not the symptom Tiers shouldn't exist at all anyway. They are nothing more then a cheap way to make it look like you have content when it's nonexistent. It's a artifical imbalance that they brought with them from eve because they didn't realize that artificially making X gun worse then X+1 gun doesn't work for solid player-skill based gunplay. It boils down to the "Who can fit more plates" and "Who can Zerg more HP" (Both of which proto excels at.) that everybody on the forums think isn't the way already Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1563	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:25:00 - [13] - Quote Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Who wants some?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1842	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:27:00 - [14] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. Drop it like its hat.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1563	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:29:00 - [15] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. lol. or he could drop a LAV on me. be realistic Who wants some?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2203	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:29:00 - [16] - Quote yes, it took most of us 15 seconds to realize more ttk would result in more proto stomping, at least the way it was done. hopefully we will get back a bit of that speed tanking and we can get back to ddr 514, sorry haters but I liked it ^^
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1980	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:30:00 - [17] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 lag. fixed. Seriously, no. It was fun 1/10 of the times when hit detection and latency were good, but more time to kill means more shots you miss due to several things, one of these is latency. In my case ( 5 Mb down , 2 Mb up, 120 ms latency on EU battle server) it already make me miss a good 1/4 of the shots. Playing with extremely high TTK is like bringing this problem to its extremes again. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6084	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:35:00 - [18] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? Yes, but the TTK works both ways. While you may be hard to kill, the enemy will be hard to kill as well. Basically your a giant brick spouting feathers. I'll laugh at you if you armor tank as I'll simply MD you to death and if you shield tank..... Let's just say my Flux gives no Fcks The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers"* [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1980	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:37:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Corbina Ninja wrote: proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? Yes, but the TTK works both ways. While you may be hard to kill, the enemy will be hard to kill as well. Basically your a giant brick spouting feathers. I'll laugh at you if you armor tank as I'll simply MD you to death and if you shield tank..... Let's just say my Flux gives no F*cks Already answered what the real problem is . >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1986	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:32:00 - [20] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. Ion pistol? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... Don't **** me. 350 (charge shot) *2 (headshot multi)= 700 Most Protos I've seen have at least 800 HP. Plasma Cannon? Forget the second guy I suppose, or the guy past 10 meters All this does is bend over to the Protobears because they were dying to something besides proto gear. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2056	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:41:00 - [21] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. I assume that you have evidence of this, other than yourself of course?
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 282	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:51:00 - [22] - Quote I didn't run proto Allll weekend that gon change tummuruh We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Toby Flenderson research lab 384	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:57:00 - [23] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? One could argue that people can survive longer in non-proto suits and could perform relatively well now that engagements will be decided by skill (or at least more so than before) There are obviously many factors to consider but if I had to guess at this moment I think I'd expect more proto due to the new suits at first but then later die down. Who knows though, lots of moving parts haha. I will say that I hope we're both wrong haha.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 810	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:58:00 - [24] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. Ah the time with broken HD and higher strafe speed? Where scouts could dance through a stream of bullets without shots regisering on them? Just to remind you this was the reason for the very hard scout nerf. And I really don't want this BS come back to Dust...
Tectonic Fusion 1291	Posted - 2014.03.24 18:59:00 - [25] - Quote I remember when I was terrible and always got like 8-12 kills and n deaths in my proto suit. The TTK won't be as low as say 1.1 or 1.3, so I'm only gonna use advanced and basic suits since you can die way more times and make a crap ton of isk if you need too. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
noob cavman Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 899	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:00:00 - [26] - Quote Its not proto stomping ina scout suit! .... well maybe a little. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Oldest barbershop in new eden.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 452	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:02:00 - [27] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. That is very true, firefights we're longer and more intense closed beta Vet - why am I still here.... Tankagedon
shadow drake35 the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 88	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:04:00 - [28] - Quote TIP dont stand still MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 279	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:29:00 - [29] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. Once you've strafed against a blaster tank, then you know how to strafe Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 756	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:40:00 - [30] - Quote TTK with knives won't change much Looking for the scout hangout?
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 159	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:42:00 - [31] - Quote Everyone will live proportionally longer. It just changes pacing and playstyle, sure you have more time to react to someone but the person who is shooting you also has more time to react to you turning. You will not die as quickly to getting jumped. That is plain true. The TTK adjustment will primarily result in more fights occuring face-to-face and is likely to make 1vs1 fights less common as your teammates have slightly longer to support. The TTK adjustments are definitely a move in the right direction.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 93	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:45:00 - [32] - Quote Myrofibril stimulants... Ill be hitting all of you at 450 hp every hit... dont forget nova knifes.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 905	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:46:00 - [33] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Corbina Ninja wrote: proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? One could argue that people can survive longer in non-proto suits and could perform relatively well now that engagements will be decided by skill (or at least more so than before) At the moment, if a competent militia AR gets the drop on a proto logi, they're dead before they turn round. Tomorrow, if a competent militia AR gets the drop on a proto logi, they'll have three seconds to turn round and destroy them at their leisure. Not what I'd call engagements getting 'decided by skill'.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1131	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:47:00 - [34] - Quote Remote explosives really will shine tomorrow and onwards. Investigate 9/11
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11666	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:50:00 - [35] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Nope. I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here, Kasote. I believe that higher TTK will most greatly benefit the higher tier gear users. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 73	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:52:00 - [36] - Quote No, overall time to kill is increased which means noone will suffer anything, its the same as it was before only slower for everyone which is going to be more fun, to not die in half a second, and to get the feeling that the suits are something powerful and high-tech. TTK is overall thing for the entire game. Because at the moment everything feels just too hectic and fast. That's just what I think is the meaning behind TTK in games.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2739	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:06:00 - [37] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. Ion pistol? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... Don't **** me. 350 (charge shot) *2 (headshot multi)= 700 Most Protos I've seen have at least 800 HP. Plasma Cannon? Forget the second guy I suppose, or the guy past 10 meters All this does is bend over to the Protobears because they were dying to something besides proto gear. I get over 700 EHP on a standard suit with standard modules, the plasma pistol will be shite I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2556	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:07:00 - [38] - Quote Dust 514 community will learn not engage me in 1v1 situations. Back exposed or not... dat strafe My SP GAP carries me.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1857	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:09:00 - [39] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Dust 514 community will learn not engage me in 1v1 situations. Back exposed or not... dat strafe Are you going assault still? Im not sure if scout is so good to stack plates on.. double strafe speed penalty of x%. Drop it like its hat.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1580	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:09:00 - [40] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Dust 514 community will learn not engage me in 1v1 situations. Back exposed or not... dat strafe Lazer still gets you moving. Who wants some?
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 698	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:10:00 - [41] - Quote thank you all for the answers I'll do a little math simplified (random numbers) Old TTK STD 2 sec ADV 4 sec PRO 6 sec TTK increase of 20% (still random numbers) New TTK STD 2.4 sec (+0.4) ADV 4.8 sec (+0.8) PRO 7.2 sec (+1.2) I think in the 1.8 protostomping will be more safer > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2739	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:12:00 - [42] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: No, overall time to kill is increased which means noone will suffer anything, its the same as it was before only slower for everyone which is going to be more fun, to not die in half a second, and to get the feeling that the suits are something powerful and high-tech. TTK is overall thing for the entire game. Because at the moment everything feels just too hectic and fast. That's just what I think is the meaning behind TTK in games. What about the feeling that our guns are supposed to be powerful and high tech And hell if you dont want things to be hectic and fast paced why are you playing a shooter? The slowest shooters I can think of are the old Rainbow Six games before Vegas and even then the actual engagements were quick and decisive with only the lead up being slow Actually that reminds me of Dark Souls combat, I think Ill just play that even more instead of this I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. Top Men. 312	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:21:00 - [43] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. Once you've strafed against a blaster tank, then you know how to strafe Too easy I do it my FG fit surprisingly some ppl don't know how to aim lol just call me communist space king noob MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 493	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:25:00 - [44] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. lol. or he could drop a LAV on me. be realistic I've actually done this to destroy a ADS above me Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1988	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:25:00 - [45] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. Ion pistol? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... Don't **** me. 350 (charge shot) *2 (headshot multi)= 700 Most Protos I've seen have at least 800 HP. Plasma Cannon? Forget the second guy I suppose, or the guy past 10 meters All this does is bend over to the Protobears because they were dying to something besides proto gear. I get over 700 EHP on a standard suit with standard modules, the plasma pistol will be shite Yup. 600ish on my CalSalt Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1445	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:33:00 - [46] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: proto stuff = more hitspoints more hitsponts = more time to survive more TTK + more time to survive = unstoppable protostomper swarm is this formula correct? Or less BPO more ADV.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1587	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:43:00 - [47] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Plenty of people asked for a higher TTK not understanding they just suck. It's gonna be great never getting surprised by a noob in MLT again. I will have the time to turn and gun him down even if severely damaged. Not if he instakills you with a ion pistol or plasma cannon first. lol. or he could drop a LAV on me. be realistic I've actually done this to destroy a ADS above me I do it several times a day. Who wants some?
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1634	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:46:00 - [48] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I think it is, it will definately be interresting to see... i agree. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 734	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:56:00 - [49] - Quote in 1.7.. mlt had horrible ttk. proto was a massive increase in ttk. but still with such a large gap it was possible for a highly skilled mlt player/mlt vet.... to kill a proto scrub... come 1.8 proto scrubs get their god mode suit back and mlt will infact almost undoubtedly require a tank or heavy suit to kill some1 in proto gear. because a mlt ar just aint gonna cut it. when they will almost certainly require 2 fire 2 whole clips in order to kill some1 like how it was pre uprising. so basicaly ground combat has become more unbalanced between the tiers with such a large blanket nerf. with out considering current obtainable hp values for higher tierd suits and such.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1590	Posted - 2014.03.24 22:00:00 - [50] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: in 1.7.. mlt had horrible ttk. proto was a massive increase in ttk. but still with such a large gap it was possible for a highly skilled mlt player/mlt vet.... to kill a proto scrub... come 1.8 proto scrubs get their god mode suit back and mlt will infact almost undoubtedly require a tank or heavy suit to kill some1 in proto gear. because a mlt ar just aint gonna cut it. when they will almost certainly require 2 fire 2 whole clips in order to kill some1 like how it was pre uprising. so basicaly ground combat has become more unbalanced between the tiers with such a large blanket nerf. with out considering current obtainable hp values for higher tierd suits and such. CCP also made the starter fits use the weakest and shortest ranged rifles. Who wants some?
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 734	Posted - 2014.03.24 22:05:00 - [51] - Quote and i have adapted and survived with my mlt gear/skills.... this nerf is basically just harming newer players to the game.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1592	Posted - 2014.03.24 22:09:00 - [52] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Dust was much more fun back in the day with high TTK. Learn 2 strafe. Once you've strafed against a blaster tank, then you know how to strafe Take cover, man. If they ever fix aiming and hit detection you will be killed. Nevermind like that will ever happen. Who wants some?
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1687	Posted - 2014.03.24 22:09:00 - [53] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: My TTK will be staying the same. One charge swipe for mediums/lights. One charge and one uncharged for heavies. How do you do this? I have level 4 Prof. in SRs and stack 3 Complex mods, but even with a headshot, Heavies and brick tanked Logis refuse to go down even with two charged shots. Maybe I'm not doing it right? edit Dammit, you're talking about knives....

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