After 2 weeks of 1.7 and Tank spam being rife a DEV said they were going to address Tank v AV balance in 1.8 ...

Link please. I don't recall this happening, at all.

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

The are lowering the total clip size of all nades to 2 from 3. This means you have one less AV nade available. In addition, I know that a lot of people run FG and Swarms with Damage Mods. Complex damage mods are going from 10% to 5%. If you stack 3 of them (like I do) then you are going from a 23% damage boost to a 11% damage boost (rounded out). On top of all of that, Hives are getting a nerf so running proto Nades and not getting them fast enough or swarm ammo fast enough and having less supply available is just sick. It's a triple angle nerf to AV no matter how you look at it.

I blame it on the complete lack of communication. NO, not with the community. What I'm talking about is the interdepartmental communication within their company. It seems there are some teams not communicating with others as effectively.

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

Do you even double hardener bro?

What you blowhards fail to realize is that there's considerable planning not to mention a hell of a lot of work when it comes to releases, and 1.8 was in the works before the impact of 1.7 was known.

Personally, tanks aren't that much of a problem, they are even easier to counter, and seeing them regularly adds to the game, so I'd rather have 1.8 and let tank balance come later.

But, then again, what would we have to complain about?

I feel like it is going to come out that WP for damage to vehicles is for them to collect data on AV vs vehicles (as if 5 months did not provide enough data) and a fix will be coming SOON (i cant do the tm thing but you get it) aka right after everyone that came back for the 1.8 racial parity is gone again and this time for good.

Didn't they outsource? Isn't CCP Shangai just a codename given to another company for the purpose of game promotion?

It would be nice if they made small patches between the patches that make bigger impacts, something like 1.8.5 or whatever. Things like fixes and such.

It's too expensive to release patches, which places the importance on game testing which isn't CCP strong suit. It seems they are more invested in Valkyrie and VR then Dust. I don't blame them, they lost 22m $ last year so a free to play game isn't gonna be their focus.

During the year the company assessed its capitalized development assets and determined that a portion of those assets would likely not have future economic benefits. IAS 38 requires that such assets should be derecognized and removed from the balance sheet. The expense related to the derecognized assets are presented as part of research and development expense in the statement of comprehensive income.

CCP would have lost $30.4 million, but the company's accounts are good and apparently made $9 million from income tax.

They came no where near losing 22 million dollars. They removed the giant fluff value they had applied to Dust for tax purposes. The funny part is they will now write off the new valuation as a loss to keep from paying taxes on their Eve money as well as the little bit they pull in from us dust bunnies.



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We are nothing more than a tax write off to save them some tax money at the end of the day. Probably why the base for Dust is in Shanghai so that they can fluff any expenses they want to.

Really I think the only issue is the programmers don't play the game, and the designers simply give them mandarin stickies saying... Flaylock too strong or Tanks too weak.

A Public Test server would fix that and would save everyones actual characters from getting lolraped by the eventual FOTM that spawns from every half baked idea that gets thrown live without testing.

Hmmm disturbing, nothing but a tax write off. But it's not like they are making a whole lot of money off Dust except from those that are throwing money at active boosters lol.

I'll ask again please to see where a Dev said that 1.8 would feature Vehicle/AV changes. That was the original point of this thread, right?

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

There is the all time rumor of Sony not allowing them to have a test server which is very possible when you look at how hard the regular releases consistently crash the PS3.

The ultimate reason for no beta programs (other than the one we are in) most likely comes down to the cost of releasing patches and the mildly broken infrastructure of the game. They have fought to make everything they can server side and then been forced to pile the important things that will not work server side into the client leaving a pretty rag-tag set up. It is simply a case of poor planning in the start when they were forced to leave the carbon engine behind for an engine they had never used before.

If that is the case then we just will have to be prepared for broken game updates ruining some aspect of the game until they add another update that may fix the old issue while simultaneously breaking the next thing. Oh well it's just a game, plenty of other games to play.

There will always be some aspect broken. Not because of CCP directly but because there is just no way to test for the way to test for how well the long time players have learned to find the exploit no matter what it is. All of the numbers are done in spread sheets and they probably have some great process for making them balanced ON SPREADSHEETS, but that just does not make up for several hundred people actively looking for the FOTM setup.

It is part of Dust, you can either chase the FOTM and ultimately have a bunch of wasted SP or you can become a better player by learning to use your role against the ever changing FOTM. I for one find it challenging and at the end of the day anyone that sticks to specializing will probably have a much more rewarding experience as they grow different roles and ultimately end up with amazing versatility.

Hm, perhaps. Personally I think it's just a very helpful balancing step. It encourages people to actually play dedicated AV. Imagine this:

An enemy rail tank comes over the top of a hill and starts raining hell down onto my team. So I decide to grab my FG, and start nailing him. He of course backs off when his health gets too low, regens, and comes back. So let's say I spend the whole game just keeping this tank deterred. Even though I was clearly helping my team, I'll probably end up going 10th place or so, and getting **** for a payout. So if you're just some blueberry, why bother?

With the added WP, there's actually direct incentive for every blue to run AV.

Really I think the only issue is the programmers don't play the game, and the designers simply give them mandarin stickies saying... Flaylock too strong or Tanks too weak.

A Public Test server would fix that and would save everyones actual characters from getting lolraped by the eventual FOTM that spawns from every half baked idea that gets thrown live without testing.

Edit: It would slow down updates surely, but who hear would of waited a month more on 1.7 if it meant tanks and rail rifles would have been toned down to a balanced level? I know I would. That and hot patching issues when they arise, but we all know no one in the company actually plays this game.

One of the posts on the bi-weekly feature/idea sticky a dev mentioned they would make changes. No specitics were given.

Hm, perhaps. Personally I think it's just a very helpful balancing step. It encourages people to actually play dedicated AV. Imagine this:

An enemy rail tank comes over the top of a hill and starts raining hell down onto my team. So I decide to grab my FG, and start nailing him. He of course backs off when his health gets too low, regens, and comes back. So let's say I spend the whole game just keeping this tank deterred. Even though I was clearly helping my team, I'll probably end up going 10th place or so, and getting **** for a payout. So if you're just some blueberry, why bother?

With the added WP, there's actually direct incentive for every blue to run AV.

The are lowering the total clip size of all nades to 2 from 3. This means you have one less AV nade available. In addition, I know that a lot of people run FG and Swarms with Damage Mods. Complex damage mods are going from 10% to 5%. If you stack 3 of them (like I do) then you are going from a 23% damage boost to a 11% damage boost (rounded out). On top of all of that, Hives are getting a nerf so running proto Nades and not getting them fast enough or swarm ammo fast enough and having less supply available is just sick. It's a triple angle nerf to AV no matter how you look at it.

Yeah, forge gunning for tanks can be a thankless job... it's easy to chase tanks around for an entire match, go KDR negative, and get a crap payout for not actually killing anything. This provides some incentive, at least.

CCP needs to give us our forge charge time back. I have doubts whether it would even help, but they can start with that, at least.

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

Really I think the only issue is the programmers don't play the game, and the designers simply give them mandarin stickies saying... Flaylock too strong or Tanks too weak.

A Public Test server would fix that and would save everyones actual characters from getting lolraped by the eventual FOTM that spawns from every half baked idea that gets thrown live without testing.

Edit: It would slow down updates surely, but who hear would of waited a month more on 1.7 if it meant tanks and rail rifles would have been toned down to a balanced level? I know I would. That and hot patching issues when they arise, but we all know no one in the company actually plays this game.

Or you know, made on PC where they could patch it whenever, run multiple test servers etc...

AV WPs are getting buffed, making AV more viable, encouraging the use of AV
More AVers means that while they still may not be able to destroy vehicles (being addressed, I'm sure), they'll be able to chase them off with any effort.

We still don't know how much WP we will get for Vehicle damage, and of course we don't know how long it will there. CCP removed that feature for a Reason...

So if we get not eough WP for damaging Vehicles nothing will changed (who would risk a 80K suit for wp/1000 damage??) If we get too much WP (or a reasonable amount) people will strt to exploit this as hell. Sadly thats it was the community is best at.

And when people start to abuse this CCP will let them as they don't punish exploiters, sooner or later they will then remove the WP again or will make them so low that its not worth again...

That's a cop out though, I used Rail Rifle and tanks and CR day one of the patch and saw it was broken. When I first started at "Full Release" it was obvious that Caldari Shield Tanks were overpowered. When the armor buff hit, it was obvious they went overboard. They always go overboard. When the flaylock was too good, they went overboard. It's not hard to tweak unless you tweak gradually but they don't do that. They take a giant wrench and smash a rolex then say why doesn't it tick? Screw it we'll check back in 3 months. I know games will be buggy, I've played many, but the only games I've played that have consistently been this bad in a pvp environment (IE. a lobby shooter) are Korean fps rpgs. Maybe it's just the genre that is broken, as I haven't seen this issue outside of the limited field of games that are fps rpg lobby shooters. I haven't played their major competitor Planetside 2 but the grass does looke greener on the other side, and at least from appearances they don't say "Hold on scooter, you can't play with this toy until you waded through **** for 3 months" only to then once you have waded through the **** break the toy and say "Well now, sorry buddy, but maybe you should just play with this other toy once you have waded through another 3 months of ****." Ad infinitum.

I guess for an analogy we aren't talking the difference between the G36 and AK 47 in COD4, every update it is the difference between the Skorpion and the P90 in every update where something is changed. A flavor of the month in many games is an issue of slight optimal performance. We are talking about how a swarm launcher tickles a tank for christ's sake.

Edit: If you aren't familiar with the plethora of Korean made f2p games I'm being pretty cruel comparing this game to them, they are some of the worst made games that aren't coming from one guys basement, and some games from one guys basement are better than those turds.

What an incredibly lazy perspective. Also based in non-truth. CCP originally removed it due to farming, yes. They have since added a max WP cap feature that prevents this. They said as much.