Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build.

The SDE is part of their build scripts, when a new one is complied so should the SDE.

Is it really surprising though? Ccp making mistakes.
We all remember the militia tank nitro.

Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless.

Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build.

Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner?

Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67.

I was just about to post and ask if the 7 round different to overheat between basic and proto was still there, but you got there first Aero. 7 rounds is NOT alot more! Currently, the only reason to use anything other than a basic is for aesthetics and/or too much money.

Good work Musta on the potential damage difference for 1.8. Hopefully CCP will notice as what their Devs that are in contact with the community all seem to think is it's heat buildup that changed. I'd still be interested on the numbers with the damage increase as I'm with Aero on thinking it's good, even if it's not as per the original description of the change.

Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build.

Musta told me to post here, so here you go guys!

A kitten riding on a turtle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZqZWbmXK4

Considering the current different is 0.8 damage per shot, that's a two shot different between prototype and standard making it negligible.

Damage mods however affect both the beam and the base damage which is a whole different matter.

When using amarr assault you get about 77 shots with standard and 89 with viziam, that's a 12 shot different and a total damage difference of about 1000 damage, that's enough to take out several suits so it's hardly something you can ignore.

Furthermore if you want to read up on the laser have a look at our laser analysis work some weeks ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread

And yep, I've a very good idea how great the damage output is at the overheat point, but I find it's not a good idea to constantly run the laser to just about overheat to get that damage the whole time, as you WILL overheat alot and that is just bad practice in the long run. But, with the heat gauge in the bottom corner and it being ~5.5 seconds for the basic to get to overheat from a cool state, and ~6 seconds for the proto, the only really way to benefit from the extra damage is through overheating

Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build.

While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer.

Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it?

Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at?

While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer.

Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it?

Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at?

Wait, are you saying what I think you are saying? Are you burst firing at the upper levels of the heat gauge without letting it cool down? That's not how the weapon works if I'm reading you right. If not, my apologies, but I always find myself surprised at even seasoned players that still don't totally get it.


Anyway, it's been bugging the crap out of me the whole time that they have not given any specifics about the changes. It's like nobody but wolfman has any clue how the thing is programmed. I fear the OP may be right based only on that fact alone.

Go and read our analysis, it's quite long and the spreadsheets have a ton of numbers on it :P

Anyway, the laser damage increases as long you hold the trigger down, as soon as you let go it resets.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread

Magic Crystal Ball

How can the base damage not affect the beam? Isn't the beam what deals that damage???

Not at all. The SDE is a REALLY bad crystal ball, many of the items in there are placeholders, authored items that were there to save labor in case future variants were to be introduced (but haven't actually been seriously tested), or failed items in testing that were far too broken to every make it into the actual game. If you're trying to figure out what's coming in the future from the SDE, you're seriously doing it wrong.

....like, looking into the wrong end of the telescope wrong. Sorry if I've ruined people's hopes and dreams, but I'd rather be honest than let all the speculation run rampant when that's not what the SDE is there for. And yes, there are some obvious errors in it too, which basically means its like looking in the wrong end of a scratched lens telescope.

CCP is currently looking into how to better manage the SDE and turn it into a more useful tool for players. The fact that its made available now should really just be seen as the first step in the right direction, not an authoritative look at what's transpiring in development (which is how it COULD be used down the road if groomed properly).

Probably the best use for it right now isn't even for accessing the data itself....but more for learning to build TOOLS that will allow non-coders to interpret its contents so that one day players can use it as a lens to view the changes in progress.

I hope that helps clarify matters. o7

Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner?

Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67.

Current formula is : [17 + (0.6 * shots fired consecutively)] * proficiency

Damage mods are factored in after all of that.

The real screwup to lasers is the proficiency split while still retaining 120%/80% damage profile when weapons like combat and rail rifle prof changes barely affect them, especially on top of damage mod nerfs (which should really be 3/5/7% to make them worth using).