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Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1192	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:30:00 - [1] - Quote '* Laser Rifle: - Increased effective range and increased damage at short range, reduced heat cost at ADV and PRO tiers.' So, just took another look at the 1.8 SDE and 1.7 SDE. Laser rifle heat costs are going to be the same across all tiers in 1.8 which means they will all overheat at the same cost, this is clearly not what it says in the patch notes. Currently in 1.7 the prototype laser rifle can fire a lot more than standard can which is how it should be. Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. IF the current changes hold then there will be no point using any other laser rifle than the standard. Ranges seem to be the same too. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3369	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:38:00 - [2] - Quote Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1192	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:45:00 - [3] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. The SDE is part of their build scripts, when a new one is complied so should the SDE. Saying that, maybe they've accidentally given us an older SDE or something. We'll know by next Tuesday. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1807	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote Musta told me to post here, so here you go guys! A kitten riding on a turtle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZqZWbmXK4 Drop it like its hat.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3369	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:12:00 - [5] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: The SDE is part of their build scripts, when a new one is complied so should the SDE. Very smart. I hadn't heard that. This kind of stuff has always been manually run by someone at CCP. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 498	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:14:00 - [6] - Quote Is it really surprising though? Ccp making mistakes. We all remember the militia tank nitro. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7594	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:19:00 - [7] - Quote Magic Crystal Ball Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1807	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:33:00 - [8] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Is it really surprising though? Ccp making mistakes. We all remember the militia tank nitro. Shield Energizers without skill requirement also. Drop it like its hat.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7692	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:11:00 - [9] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
jerrmy12 kahoalii 580	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Link Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2469	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:32:00 - [11] - Quote The heat build up might be the same value but what are the max heat values at each tier? Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Oxskull Duncarino The Twisted Leprechaun 499	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:44:00 - [12] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. I was just about to post and ask if the 7 round different to overheat between basic and proto was still there, but you got there first Aero. 7 rounds is NOT alot more! Currently, the only reason to use anything other than a basic is for aesthetics and/or too much money. Good work Musta on the damage difference for 1.8. Hopefully CCP will notice as what their Devs that are in contact with the community all seem to think is it's heat buildup that changed. I'd still be interested on the numbers with the damage increase as I'm with Aero on thinking it's good, even if it's not as per the original description of the change.
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1194	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:06:00 - [13] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. I was just about to post and ask if the 7 round different to overheat between basic and proto was still there, but you got there first Aero. 7 rounds is NOT alot more! Currently, the only reason to use anything other than a basic is for aesthetics and/or too much money. Good work Musta on the potential damage difference for 1.8. Hopefully CCP will notice as what their Devs that are in contact with the community all seem to think is it's heat buildup that changed. I'd still be interested on the numbers with the damage increase as I'm with Aero on thinking it's good, even if it's not as per the original description of the change. Considering the current different is 0.8 damage per shot, that's a two shot different between prototype and standard making it negligible. Damage mods however affect both the beam and the base damage which is a whole different matter. When using amarr assault you get about 77 shots with standard and 89 with viziam, that's a 12 shot different and a total damage difference of about 1000 damage, that's enough to take out several suits so it's hardly something you can ignore. Furthermore if you want to read up on the laser have a look at our laser analysis work some weeks ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 283	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:08:00 - [14] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. skill to 3? ... maybe a new tier is nigh.. ck.1 :o Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2054	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:08:00 - [15] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Musta told me to post here, so here you go guys! A kitten riding on a turtle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZqZWbmXK4 Here's a baby monkey riding a pig. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Oxskull Duncarino The Twisted Leprechaun 499	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. I was just about to post and ask if the 7 round different to overheat between basic and proto was still there, but you got there first Aero. 7 rounds is NOT alot more! Currently, the only reason to use anything other than a basic is for aesthetics and/or too much money. Good work Musta on the potential damage difference for 1.8. Hopefully CCP will notice as what their Devs that are in contact with the community all seem to think is it's heat buildup that changed. I'd still be interested on the numbers with the damage increase as I'm with Aero on thinking it's good, even if it's not as per the original description of the change. Considering the current different is 0.8 damage per shot, that's a two shot different between prototype and standard making it negligible. Damage mods however affect both the beam and the base damage which is a whole different matter. When using amarr assault you get about 77 shots with standard and 89 with viziam, that's a 12 shot different and a total damage difference of about 1000 damage, that's enough to take out several suits so it's hardly something you can ignore. Furthermore if you want to read up on the laser have a look at our laser analysis work some weeks ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread I don't have a pen and paper handy so your results will do Only two shots worth of damage difference between basic and proto with the figure you got for 1.8 makes it worse than now for sure. Roll on Tuesday so we can figure out what the story is And yep, I've a very good idea how great the damage output is at the overheat point, but I find it's not a good idea to constantly run the laser to just about overheat to get that damage the whole time, as you WILL overheat alot and that is just bad practice in the long run. But, with the heat gauge in the bottom corner and it being ~5.5 seconds for the basic to get to overheat from a cool state, and ~6 seconds for the proto, the only really way to benefit from the extra damage is through overheating Don't get me wrong, I'll happily overheat when my health is good, and I don't have any enemy pushing into close range, and will be chuckling to myself as I do so, but it's a less than ideal mechanic. Sorry, I've gone away from what you started the thread about. Once again, nice one for spotting it, and as ya said, all we can do is wait for Tuesday to see exactly what the story is.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2459	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:28:00 - [17] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: And yep, I've a very good idea how great the damage output is at the overheat point, but I find it's not a good idea to constantly run the laser to just about overheat to get that damage the whole time, as you WILL overheat alot and that is just bad practice in the long run. But, with the heat gauge in the bottom corner and it being ~5.5 seconds for the basic to get to overheat from a cool state, and ~6 seconds for the proto, the only really way to benefit from the extra damage is through overheating Wait, are you saying what I think you are saying? Are you burst firing at the upper levels of the heat gauge without letting it cool down? That's not how the weapon works if I'm reading you right. If not, my apologies, but I always find myself surprised at even seasoned players that still don't totally get it. Anyway, it's been bugging the crap out of me the whole time that they have not given any specifics about the changes. It's like nobody but wolfman has any clue how the thing is programmed. I fear the OP may be right based only on that fact alone. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 524	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:43:00 - [18] - Quote While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer. Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it? Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
jerrmy12 kahoalii 582	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:47:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Link Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer. Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it? Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at? Go and read our analysis, it's quite long and the spreadsheets have a ton of numbers on it :P Anyway, the laser damage increases as long you hold the trigger down, as soon as you let go it resets. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 684	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:02:00 - [21] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer. Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it? Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at? It increases the longer you fire it. And the modifier resets back to zero as soon as you stop firing, no matter your heat level. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Oxskull Duncarino The Twisted Leprechaun 500	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:04:00 - [22] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: And yep, I've a very good idea how great the damage output is at the overheat point, but I find it's not a good idea to constantly run the laser to just about overheat to get that damage the whole time, as you WILL overheat alot and that is just bad practice in the long run. But, with the heat gauge in the bottom corner and it being ~5.5 seconds for the basic to get to overheat from a cool state, and ~6 seconds for the proto, the only really way to benefit from the extra damage is through overheating Wait, are you saying what I think you are saying? Are you burst firing at the upper levels of the heat gauge without letting it cool down? That's not how the weapon works if I'm reading you right. If not, my apologies, but I always find myself surprised at even seasoned players that still don't totally get it. Anyway, it's been bugging the crap out of me the whole time that they have not given any specifics about the changes. It's like nobody but wolfman has any clue how the thing is programmed. I fear the OP may be right based only on that fact alone. Haha, no worries dude. Since day one I've been firmly in the camp of laughing at people burst firing the laser. It didn't even take alot a messing about to be fairly sure I wasn't getting anywhere burst firing once it was at near overheat, but it was great to read Musta and Co. had come to the same outcome during testing a few weeks ago. Yeh, I'm kind of worried myself now that everything we've been told about the laser changes might be different on the deployment of 1.8. I really want to have it return as a viable long range option on my commando again as I miss the fun it is to run. Tears or shouts of joy in T - 90hrs
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2459	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:05:00 - [23] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: While we're on the topic of Laser Rifles, I have a question about the damage build up that hopefully one of you guys can answer. Does damage simply increase the longer you fire it? Or does it only increase against a single target you fire at? Go and read our analysis, it's quite long and the spreadsheets have a ton of numbers on it :P Anyway, the laser damage increases as long you hold the trigger down, as soon as you let go it resets. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146762&find=unread LOL, I barely made it through that in one sitting and I love the LR. Might be overwhelming for the uninitiated. Here's the TL;DR version for the LR noob: Like the screen says "continuous fire increases damage output." So, the damage per round goes up the longer you hold the trigger. Nothing else affects it. Not the heat gauge, not the time you have the beam on your target, nothing. So, as a rule, only fire when your heat gauge is at zero, and don't let go until you are close to overheating. Here's a fun little thing I wrote about using the LR. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3595	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:20:00 - [24] - Quote How can the base damage not affect the beam? Isn't the beam what deals that damage??? No.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1639	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:27:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Magic Crystal Ball Not at all. The SDE is a REALLY bad crystal ball, many of the items in there are placeholders, authored items that were there to save labor in case future variants were to be introduced (but haven't actually been seriously tested), or failed items in testing that were far too broken to every make it into the actual game. If you're trying to figure out what's coming in the future from the SDE, you're seriously doing it wrong. ....like, looking into the wrong end of the telescope wrong. Sorry if I've ruined people's hopes and dreams, but I'd rather be honest than let all the speculation run rampant when that's not what the SDE is there for. And yes, there are some obvious errors in it too, which basically means its like looking in the wrong end of a scratched lens telescope. CCP is currently looking into how to better manage the SDE and turn it into a more useful tool for players. The fact that its made available now should really just be seen as the first step in the right direction, not an authoritative look at what's transpiring in development (which is how it COULD be used down the road if groomed properly). Probably the best use for it right now isn't even for accessing the data itself....but more for learning to build TOOLS that will allow non-coders to interpret its contents so that one day players can use it as a lens to view the changes in progress. I hope that helps clarify matters. o7
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1200	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:59:00 - [26] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: How can the base damage not affect the beam? Isn't the beam what deals that damage??? The base damage is separate from the beam damage. All the lasers have the same increase per shot fired. With standard and viziam in 1.8 the base damage is only a difference of two shots fired (0.8 each shot extra). Without any other differences this makes standard the only weapon needed. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1211	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Magic Crystal Ball Not at all. The SDE is a REALLY bad crystal ball, many of the items in there are placeholders, authored items that were there to save labor in case future variants were to be introduced (but haven't actually been seriously tested), or failed items in testing that were far too broken to every make it into the actual game. If you're trying to figure out what's coming in the future from the SDE, you're seriously doing it wrong. ....like, looking into the wrong end of the telescope wrong. Sorry if I've ruined people's hopes and dreams, but I'd rather be honest than let all the speculation run rampant when that's not what the SDE is there for. And yes, there are some obvious errors in it too, which basically means its like looking in the wrong end of a scratched lens telescope. CCP is currently looking into how to better manage the SDE and turn it into a more useful tool for players. The fact that its made available now should really just be seen as the first step in the right direction, not an authoritative look at what's transpiring in development (which is how it COULD be used down the road if groomed properly). Probably the best use for it right now isn't even for accessing the data itself....but more for learning to build TOOLS that will allow non-coders to interpret its contents so that one day players can use it as a lens to view the changes in progress. I hope that helps clarify matters. o7 Thanks for clarifying Hans. o7 Best PvE idea ever!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:19:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. Current formula is : [17 + (0.6 * shots fired consecutively)] * proficiency Damage mods are factored in after all of that. The real screwup to lasers is the proficiency split while still retaining 120%/80% damage profile when weapons like combat and rail rifle prof changes barely affect them, especially on top of damage mod nerfs (which should really be 3/5/7% to make them worth using).
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1200	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:37:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. Doesn't holding the beam increase damage in set increments? So starting out with higher base damage means you'll achieve higher damage output sooner? Also currently the advanced and prototype variants don't fire that much longer before overheat. On a non-Amarr Assault suit, standard overheats after 60, advanced overheats at 63, and prototype overheats at 67. Current formula is : [17 + (0.6 * shots fired consecutively)] * proficiency Damage mods are factored in after all of that. The real screwup to lasers is the proficiency split while still retaining 120%/80% damage profile when weapons like combat and rail rifle prof changes barely affect them, especially on top of damage mod nerfs (which should really be 3/5/7% to make them worth using). Untrue, the increase is 0.8 per shot, gtorq ,grit and I spend several days analysing the lasers damage profile. See the thread I linked a couple of times in this thread. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 349	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:27:00 - [30] - Quote In any case whether the buildup be .6 or .8 with the changes happening to proficiency you lose greater than half of your damage upon hitting armor instead of shields, I think that his has the potential to be incredibly unhealthy for laser profile weapons, especially when compared to weapons like the combat or rail rifle.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2462	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:01:00 - [31] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: In any case whether the buildup be .6 or .8 with the changes happening to proficiency you lose greater than half of your damage upon hitting armor instead of shields, I think that his has the potential to be incredibly unhealthy for laser profile weapons, especially when compared to weapons like the combat or rail rifle. Absolutely. This TTK thing is a good idea but as usual they took it too far. There is literally no point to going past proficiency 2, maybe 3, with any laser based weapon. Totally useless skill now. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 197	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:04:00 - [32] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: '* Laser Rifle: - Increased effective range and increased damage at short range, reduced heat cost at ADV and PRO tiers.' So, just took another look at the 1.8 SDE and 1.7 SDE. Laser rifle heat costs are going to be the same across all tiers in 1.8 which means they will all overheat at the same cost, this is clearly not what it says in the patch notes. Currently in 1.7 the prototype laser rifle can fire a lot more than standard can which is how it should be. Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. IF the current changes hold then there will be no point using any other laser rifle than the standard. Ranges seem to be the same too. If the laser rifle damage buff increase at advanced and proto level is on top of the 1.7 laser rifles current damage its going to be over powered in 1.8, ensuing no doubt the mighty nerf hammer. Unless of course the 5% increase is added onto the standard laser rifle damage of 15 which is .75 more damage at adv and 10% more damage at proto is 1.5 damage which seems inline with the other rifle damage decreases. One day you will wake up and realize that time waits for no one.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 351	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:19:00 - [33] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: In any case whether the buildup be .6 or .8 with the changes happening to proficiency you lose greater than half of your damage upon hitting armor instead of shields, I think that his has the potential to be incredibly unhealthy for laser profile weapons, especially when compared to weapons like the combat or rail rifle. Absolutely. This TTK thing is a good idea but as usual they took it too far. There is literally no point to going past proficiency 2, maybe 3, with any laser based weapon. Totally useless skill now. To be honest I also feel that damage mods should be at 3/5/7% so as to make tier differences and sp investment notable.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1330	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:44:00 - [34] - Quote IWS said yesterday that an emergency hotfix needed to be worked on for deployment day of 1.8 so the AV grenade hotfix would have to wait. His only hint was "SDE". Perhaps this was it? MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 340	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:34:00 - [35] - Quote I just wanted to say I tried to point this out the other day lol: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1956290#post1956290 Hopefully it's either wrong or the max heat goes up instead of the heat build up going down. Otherwise, I'm a lot less excited for 1.8. Stuff....?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1039	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:49:00 - [36] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Is it really surprising though? Ccp making mistakes. We all remember the militia tank nitro. But that was a great mistake. Better in fact than many of the non-mistakes they delivered. Jumping mountains, buildings, tanks and anything that was in your way was was fun. I wish they would enable it once day a month. If they told us when we could get some video captures of our wonderful tank antics. And so it goes.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 583	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:14:00 - [37] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Link Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 222	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:51:00 - [38] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: '* Laser Rifle: - Increased effective range and increased damage at short range, reduced heat cost at ADV and PRO tiers.' So, just took another look at the 1.8 SDE and 1.7 SDE. Laser rifle heat costs are going to be the same across all tiers in 1.8 which means they will all overheat at the same cost, this is clearly not what it says in the patch notes. Currently in 1.7 the prototype laser rifle can fire a lot more than standard can which is how it should be. Furthermore, the base damage will be 5% more for elm and 10% more for viziam compared to Standard laser. This however should only affect the base damage and not the beam, making it entirely useless. IF the current changes hold then there will be no point using any other laser rifle than the standard. Ranges seem to be the same too. That's why I said on another thread that we grind for these bonuses and who know if we really get them!!!! BTW good catch!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2464	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:07:00 - [39] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: In any case whether the buildup be .6 or .8 with the changes happening to proficiency you lose greater than half of your damage upon hitting armor instead of shields, I think that his has the potential to be incredibly unhealthy for laser profile weapons, especially when compared to weapons like the combat or rail rifle. Absolutely. This TTK thing is a good idea but as usual they took it too far. There is literally no point to going past proficiency 2, maybe 3, with any laser based weapon. Totally useless skill now. To be honest I also feel that damage mods should be at 3/5/7% so as to make tier differences and sp investment notable. No argument there! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
jerrmy12 kahoalii 585	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:10:00 - [40] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Link Link it already... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.

Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1205	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:21:00 - [41] - Quote Just a small heads up, CPM confirmed that CCP is aware of the issue. Hopefully it will be sorted before Tuesday. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
jerrmy12 kahoalii 612	Posted - 2014.03.24 10:21:00 - [42] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Either the SDE is wrong or 1.8 has some issues. Someone else pointed out one of the ck.0 suits, not an Aurum variant, only required the skill to 3. I'm hoping the SDE was built off an earlier build. Link Link it already... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1206	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:11:00 - [43] - Quote I guess you forgot to say please jerremy12.... 3 times in fact, no manners eh? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
jerrmy12 kahoalii 614	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:16:00 - [44] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: I guess you forgot to say please jerremy12.... 3 times in fact, no manners eh? Sorry....you dont so please in a mmo rpg... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1206	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:27:00 - [45] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: I guess you forgot to say please jerremy12.... 3 times in fact, no manners eh? Sorry....you dont so please in a mmo rpg... This is a great shame as I could have linked you what you're after, but never mind then. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
jerrmy12 kahoalii 614	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:29:00 - [46] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: I guess you forgot to say please jerremy12.... 3 times in fact, no manners eh? Sorry....you dont so please in a mmo rpg... This is a great shame as I could have linked you what you're after, but never mind then. Could you please link me to it? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1208	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:35:00 - [47] - Quote http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/364027 It's not the medium suit though, just a lonely scout that got messed up. I'm not expecting it to actually be like that when 1.8 arrives though :P DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
jerrmy12 kahoalii 614	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:36:00 - [48] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/364027 It's not the medium suit though, just a lonely scout that got messed up. I'm not expecting it to actually be like that when 1.8 arrives though :P Thanjs, 3x is kevel 3 right not multiplyer? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1208	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:37:00 - [49] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/364027 It's not the medium suit though, just a lonely scout that got messed up. I'm not expecting it to actually be like that when 1.8 arrives though :P Thanjs, 3x is kevel 3 right not multiplyer? Yup DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 56	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:40:00 - [50] - Quote I've just started using Lasers and they are really hard to use, it's impossible almost to stay on target while you are 'burning' someone as they will always strafe and 100% of the time will bunny hop (which is ******* pathetic and one of the worst mechanics in this game IMO). I think it would be better if there were some kind of meter on the HUD (over the reticule maybe, not way off in the bottom right hand corner) to tell you if/when it was overheating, or if the laser would change colour as it heats up, or maybe the noise could change? but I suppose you could also count to 5/6.. The changes are interesting, increased zoom and less heat build up, but we'll have to wait and see. I can haz all your Officer Heavy weapons?

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1119	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:01:00 - [51] - Quote Its almost like we still need the full patch notes isn't it. I am a negative Nancy with this game right now and to be honest.... I predict more major upsets with this game come 1.8. I need to go and buy Battlefield 4 - premium. That game might be more mindless but at least its mostly balanced and a lot of fun. Investigate 9/11
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1212	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:15:00 - [52] - Quote Victor889 wrote: I've just started using Lasers and they are really hard to use, it's impossible almost to stay on target while you are 'burning' someone as they will always strafe and 100% of the time will bunny hop (which is ******* pathetic and one of the worst mechanics in this game IMO). I think it would be better if there were some kind of meter on the HUD (over the reticule maybe, not way off in the bottom right hand corner) to tell you if/when it was overheating, or if the laser would change colour as it heats up, or maybe the noise could change? but I suppose you could also count to 5/6.. The changes are interesting, increased zoom and less heat build up, but we'll have to wait and see. This things have been proposed before but nothing so far. The laser beam does get larger the longer it has been fired. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
General Regret PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 23	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:48:00 - [53] - Quote Aim above peoples heads or away from target unknowingly then bring the aim down to a headshot beam when near overheat. Perfect eveytime
jerrmy12 kahoalii 623	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:50:00 - [54] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Just a small heads up, CPM confirmed that CCP is aware of the issue. Hopefully it will be sorted before Tuesday. What issue? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1212	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:51:00 - [55] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Just a small heads up, CPM confirmed that CCP is aware of the issue. Hopefully it will be sorted before Tuesday. What issue? Maybe try reading the OP? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1846	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:51:00 - [56] - Quote Hey Musta, you should not post things like this. It might stress out the poor soul working with maintenance of the Uprising expansion. He has too much to fix already :/ Drop it like its hat.
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1213	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:17:00 - [57] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Hey Musta, you should not post things like this. It might stress out the poor soul working with maintenance of the Uprising expansion. He has too much to fix already :/ Some people do so love a challenge, though! DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST


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