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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8486	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:17:00 - [31] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: 90% of the playerbase is infantry. Before: ~90% of the playerbase was not sh-t on by the vehicle balance Now 10% of the playerbase is content. You know what to do CCP. However vehicles were **** on by AV balance which was poor. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Poultryge1st Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:33:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: it's still what CCP seen fit to say and we'll they designed the game so what's your point. I've already made my point. Move FGs to the Light Weapon category, nerf Shotguns, and make SMGs Semi-Auto. I'm glad you are not developing this game.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1910	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:47:00 - [33] - Quote lolno I'll leave this here click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 671	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:50:00 - [34] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Shield tanks were crap though, and needed buffing regardless. I'm not saying that I'm fine with the 1.7 changes either though. All shield tanks needed were stronger missile turrets, more powerful shield boosters, longer lasting active hardeners, and slightly more acceleration. And maybe a few adjustments to AV strength, slight adjustments at that. Not a complete overhaul. No sense living in the past though, cause this new version of "tanking" is what we got. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5955	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:06:00 - [35] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling . Also forges have travel time as well as a slight dispersion at long range I.e. 200 m plus I'd like to see you land 4 consecutive shots on a nitro muddy from 250m away that takes skill. Also find and link me to a post that is dated beyond the release of 1.7 stating that vehicles arnt working as intended after all the QQ you'd think they would say something . Well, if you believe that the promotional video should be the determining factor in balance, move Forge Guns to the Light Weapon Slot. I wasn't referring to Forge Guns, I was referring to Blaster Turrets, which you use and are indeed hit-scan. However I'd love to see you kill me with Swarm Launchers from any range and tell me that it requires no skill. Quote 1 \| Quote 2 All state that they realize that there is a problem with them, and have a fix pending. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5955	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:07:00 - [36] - Quote Poultryge1st wrote: I'm glad you are not developing this game. You mean your glad that pegasis prime is not developing this game? Because under his logic, all of those changes would be made. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8490	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:08:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling . Also forges have travel time as well as a slight dispersion at long range I.e. 200 m plus I'd like to see you land 4 consecutive shots on a nitro muddy from 250m away that takes skill. Also find and link me to a post that is dated beyond the release of 1.7 stating that vehicles arnt working as intended after all the QQ you'd think they would say something . Well, if you believe that the promotional video should be the determining factor in balance, move Forge Guns to the Light Weapon Slot. I wasn't referring to Forge Guns, I was referring to Blaster Turrets, which you use and are indeed hit-scan. However I'd love to see you kill me with Swarm Launchers from any range and tell me that it requires no skill. Quote 1 \| Quote 2 All state that they realize that there is a problem with them, and have a fix pending. I see what you are saying.....but tell me you needed skill in 1.6 to drop a tank with Swarm Launchers....you can't really because even I could do it...and as we know.....Tanker = Scru..... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:11:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling . Also forges have travel time as well as a slight dispersion at long range I.e. 200 m plus I'd like to see you land 4 consecutive shots on a nitro muddy from 250m away that takes skill. Also find and link me to a post that is dated beyond the release of 1.7 stating that vehicles arnt working as intended after all the QQ you'd think they would say something . Well, if you believe that the promotional video should be the determining factor in balance, move Forge Guns to the Light Weapon Slot. I wasn't referring to Forge Guns, I was referring to Blaster Turrets, which you use and are indeed hit-scan. However I'd love to see you kill me with Swarm Launchers from any range and tell me that it requires no skill. Quote 1 \| Quote 2 All state that they realize that there is a problem with them, and have a fix pending. yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment . Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it) Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:13:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Poultryge1st wrote: I'm glad you are not developing this game. You mean your glad that pegasis prime is not developing this game? Because under his logic, all of those changes would be made. The bid with the forge gun isn't in game footage ..... but the vids that are heavy with vehicles are. If you can't even tell the difference then there is no helping you . Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:16:00 - [40] - Quote ** thread full of ** people. move along anyone who says 1.6 had great balance is either looking through the nostalgia goggles or just plain ******. Uprising tanks were a big stepdown from the previous (much more balanced) versions of tanks from chrome. There is no discussing this.

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1334	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:24:00 - [41] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: ** thread full of ** people. move along anyone who says 1.6 had great balance is either looking through the nostalgia goggles or just plain ******. Uprising tanks were a big stepdown from the previous (much more balanced) versions of tanks from chrome. There is no discussing this. Agreed. Even though I got into a Gunnlogi probably in the last month of Chromosome and I didn't have much experience, I'd like to give Chromosome another go. CCP, rollback vehicles and AV to Chromosome! "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8494	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:24:00 - [42] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: ** thread full of ** people. move along anyone who says 1.6 had great balance is either looking through the nostalgia goggles or just plain *****. Uprising tanks were a big stepdown from the previous (much more balanced) versions of tanks from chrome. There is no discussing this. Sure there is, and discussing it only helps the wider community. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 826	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:27:00 - [43] - Quote Alpha, that is the one thing everyone in this thread is in agreement on. Which is crazy, as the tankers and AV'ers don't agree on anything.... I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5957	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:28:00 - [44] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Can you explain why they are not balanced ? Is it because you can't solo a HAV anymore and you finally need team work to take down a massive skill point sink like vehicles ( i.e. core content , turrets and the actual use of the vehicles themselves ) now come on ... can anyone really justify that seeing how you spend far less to put up a fight as far as a.v. is concerned and I'm just speaking about the fact that a.v. grenades are included so you don't have to spend additional skill points to access them . That statement is a fallacy. However for the sake of proving you wrong, I'll bite down. In order to be a competitive AVer, you need the following skills: Dropsuit Command II Minmatar Medium Frame III Minmatar Assault V Weaponry III Light Weaponry IV Sidearm Weaponry II Swarm Launcher Operation V Swarm Launcher Proficiency V Sub-Machine Proficiency Operation V Sub-Machine Gun Proficiency V Explosives III Grenadier V Remote Explosives II Dropsuit Upgrades II Dropsuit Core Upgrades III Dropsuit Electronics V Dropsuit Engineering V All of that requires a plentiful 11,037,640 SP. Most of the SP is something that will only be used when someone fields a vehicle, which is not a guarrantee. While you can use your vehicle anytime, I can only use my Swarms when someone brings out a vehicle. Because of this, AV needs to be less SP intensive. Though I wouldn't consider 11,037,640 SP as a laughing matter. HAVs should be soloed, as they are only operated by 1 person. I could list some more examples, but my laptop's about to die unfortunately. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 364	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:46:00 - [45] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Alpha, that is the one thing everyone in this thread is in agreement on. Which is crazy, as the tankers and AV'ers don't agree on anything.... my apologies
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5957	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:48:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I see what you are saying.....but tell me you needed skill in 1.6 to drop a tank with Swarm Launchers....you can't really because even I could do it...and as we know.....Tanker = Scru..... It honestly depends on the situation. Let's say, we have 1 Madrugar. But it's got 6 infantry units surrounded by it, and 2 gunners in it, you refuse to use things such as tower camping, there are buildings in the way that prevent locking from over 100m, and the only defense you have from the 6 infantry units is an Ishukone Assault SMG. The 6 infantry units are carrying Duvolle ARs and Imperial SCRs on PRO suits, and your using Assault mk.0 suits. Not saying that AV was balanced, but that doesn't seem so easy now does it? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:49:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: I see what you are saying.....but tell me you needed skill in 1.6 to drop a tank with Swarm Launchers....you can't really because even I could do it...and as we know.....Tanker = Scru..... It honestly depends on the situation. Let's say, we have 1 Madrugar. But it's got 6 infantry units surrounded by it, and 2 gunners in it, you refuse to use things such as tower camping, there are buildings in the way that prevent locking from over 100m, and the only defense you have from the 6 infantry units is an Ishukone Assault SMG. The 6 infantry units are carrying Duvolle ARs and Imperial SCRs on PRO suits, and your using Assault mk.0 suits. Not saying that AV was balanced, but that doesn't seem so easy now does it? So in your scenario are you going solo to attack the tank and supporting infantryor do you have a squad backing you up ? Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5957	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:53:00 - [48] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment . Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it) RIght, and I use swarms about 1 out of 10 times as well. Doesn't mean I don't use it. I'm rolling in a Gunnlogi with 2 damage modifiers, a Particle Cannon, and as much armor as I can fit. Though since AV should require teamwork, I assume that you also want tanking to require teamwork as well? Insert revised Spkr4theDead sig here AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8497	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:55:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment . Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it) RIght, and I use swarms about 1 out of 10 times as well. Doesn't mean I don't use it. I'm rolling in a Gunnlogi with 2 damage modifiers, a Particle Cannon, and as much armor as I can fit. Though since AV should require teamwork, I assume that you also want tanking to require teamwork as well? Insert revised Spkr4theDead sig here I already use 2 gunners to bust enemy HAV what more do you want from me? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5957	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:55:00 - [50] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: So in your scenario are you going solo to attack the tank and supporting infantryor do you have a squad backing you up ? Your all by yourself. Oh, and they all have Duvolle Focused Scanners. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5957	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:55:00 - [51] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I already use 2 gunners to bust enemy HAV what more do you want from me? 200 WP AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:58:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment . Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it) RIght, and I use swarms about 1 out of 10 times as well. Doesn't mean I don't use it. I'm rolling in a Gunnlogi with 2 damage modifiers, a Particle Cannon, and as much armor as I can fit. Though since AV should require teamwork, I assume that you also want tanking to require teamwork as well? Insert revised Spkr4theDead sig here puffy 2 dammage mods and stacked armour lol , my double hardened single dammage molded particle cannon build would bust your ass quicker than you could say **** me that's pegasis prime. Oh and yes almost all well all but 2 of my tank builds have Co gunners seats and I do encourage team work with hav's. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:59:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: So in your scenario are you going solo to attack the tank and supporting infantryor do you have a squad backing you up ? Your all by yourself. Oh, and they all have Duvolle Focused Scanners. I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5958	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:00:00 - [54] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: The bid with the forge gun isn't in game footage ..... but the vids that are heavy with vehicles are. If you can't even tell the difference then there is no helping you . Ah, but you said that it had to be a Promotional Video: pegasis prime wrote: so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling . Though it doesn't really matter. The fact that you believe game balance should be based on something as arbitrary as a description or 2 year old video as opposed to actual game mechanics means that your view on balance is skewed, and therefore irrelevant. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8498	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:02:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: I already use 2 gunners to bust enemy HAV what more do you want from me? 200 WP You'd get more like 300....375 if you get that assist glitch. Point is it seems that I cannot make you happy with how I tank no matter what. I snipe enemy tank spammers, run 2 gunners to bust my stronger foes, transport and support my infantry squads...... any yet after doing all the things you tell me to....you still aren't happy that you convinced at least one HAVer to expand past the Ion Canon Maddy. Sure AV needs tweaks, the swarm needs a fix, and HAV need tweaks.........but I'll be damned if I watch anyone try to rebalance HAV back to those abominable 1.3 conditions. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5958	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:04:00 - [56] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt. I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:06:00 - [57] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt. I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child. Well you produced a scenario in which you were attacking a tank and supporting infantry solo in a thread about balance ...wow just wow. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5958	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:08:00 - [58] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You'd get more like 300....375 if you get that assist glitch. Point is it seems that I cannot make you happy with how I tank no matter what. I snipe enemy tank spammers, run 2 gunners to bust my stronger foes, transport and support my infantry squads...... any yet after doing all the things you tell me to....you still aren't happy that you convinced at least one HAVer to expand past the Ion Canon Maddy. Sure AV needs tweaks, the swarm needs a fix, and HAV need tweaks.........but I'll be damned if I watch anyone try to rebalance HAV back to those abominable 1.3 conditions. It's not really an issue with how you use your vehicle. As long as you realize there is a problem with them, and don't farm infantry I've got nothing against you. Though that statement is rather ironic. It's exactly what I said when I was discussing AV with one of the tankers in my corp back in 1.3. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:09:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt. I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child. I also like how you cut out the parts that make you look daft when re posting that actuallymakes me laugh. Your oopinions are nothing short of troll ish. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1599	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:11:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt. I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child. Also being the first to start insulting and degrading someone who me you are discussing with /debating just goes to show who is the child/troll/****** Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.



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