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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:10:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:swarms are for lav and dropship forge guns are for tanks it is right how it is forge guns need a little buff Nope.
Well why not ? Swarms and plasma cannons are light AV . And forges are oh guess what heavy AV so why isn't this logic????
Light AV destroys light vehicles and heavy AV destroys heavy vehicles is that to hard a concept to understand or do you just wantto sit oon a tower and spam easy mode swarms like they are going out of fashion.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:23:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:swarms are for lav and dropship forge guns are for tanks it is right how it is forge guns need a little buff Nope. Well why not ? Swarms and plasma cannons are light AV . And forges are oh guess what heavy AV so why isn't this logic???? Light AV destroys light vehicles and heavy AV destroys heavy vehicles is that to hard a concept to understand or do you just wantto sit oon a tower and spam easy mode swarms like they are going out of fashion. Bolded the established LIE. CCP said that AV is AV, there is not light/heavy/pullitoutofurass catagories.
Well then why are they light weapons ? Also swarms used to be a heavy weapon and insadently heavy suits are the only ones who brag about going toe to toe with vehicles and surviving , so where we going now .
Swarms are a light weapon and are AV so they are light AV
forges are a heavy wepon and are AV thusly heavy AV
just because swarms are AV it doesn't mean you should be able to solo every vehicle on the map .
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:39:00 -
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Atiim I have just as many problem with tower forgers as I'm predominantly a front line forge gunner forge guns also require good aim at range whereas swarms are a lock on fire and forget weapons system (that was real easy back in 1.6 don't deny it you know they were op)
also i berry rarely run blasters (only when requested by my squad leaders) I mostly run missiles and rails . Yes tanking in thus game has been dumbed down a bit but I watch cap tankers with cap fits get blown up in every game tanks pre 1.7 were hard to operate and run successfully that made them elitist now they are accessible to all and every one can enjoy them without having to spend a **** ton of space and isk . Has any of you anti vehicle brigade not thought that what we have now is the type of gamely CCP wants? Watch some of the bids on the website and what you see in them is pretty much what we have now I.e. lots of vehicles with supporting infantry . If you did see these adds then what the hell is the QQ all about. If you haven't seen them then what you doing here because you obviously don't really like the game and didn't even bother to watch a few bids before downloading it.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
Well then why are they light weapons ? Also swarms used to be a heavy weapon and insadently heavy suits are the only ones who brag about going toe to toe with vehicles and surviving , so where we going now .
Swarms are a light weapon and are AV so they are light AV
forges are a heavy weapon and are AV thusly heavy AV
just because swarms are AV it doesn't mean you should be able to solo every vehicle on the map .
Having addressed the "Heavy/Light AV" debate in a previous post, I'll cast those points aside for now. Descriptions are hardly anything to be taken seriously. Especially when you consider the fact that the SMG is labeled as Semi-Automatic in it's description. Sub-Machine Gun wrote:
Favoring function over form, the SMG is a lightweight, semi-automatic weapon designed for close-quarters combat. What it lacks in stopping power and accuracy it grossly overcompensates for with quantity. Designed to injure and impede, the hailstorm of bullets the SMG produces is most effective in tight spaces against multiple targets.
This original design is a paradigm of Minmatar construction. An inelegant, but reliable weapon solution that is simple to produce, easily repaired using almost any available materials, and provides comparable pound-for-pound performance with similar sub-automatic weapons. Although an unabashedly low-tech weapon, it excels at what it was designed for: killing anything right in front of you.
Seen any Semi-Auto SMGs lately? No? Then your argument falls apart.
it's still what CCP seen fit to say and we'll they designed the game so what's your point.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Atiim I have just as many problem with tower forgers as I'm predominantly a front line forge gunner forge guns also require good aim at range whereas swarms are a lock on fire and forget weapons system (that was real easy back in 1.6 don't deny it you know they were op) I'm not really sure if someone using a hit-scan weapon should be talking about a "fire and forget" weapon. pegasis prime wrote:
also i berry rarely run blasters (only when requested by my squad leaders) I mostly run missiles and rails . Yes tanking in thus game has been dumbed down a bit but I watch cap tankers with cap fits get blown up in every game tanks pre 1.7 were hard to operate and run successfully that made them elitist now they are accessible to all and every one can enjoy them without having to spend a **** ton of space and isk . Has any of you anti vehicle brigade not thought that what we have now is the type of gamely CCP wants? Watch some of the bids on the website and what you see in them is pretty much what we have now I.e. lots of vehicles with supporting infantry . If you did see these adds then what the hell is the QQ all about. If you haven't seen them then what you doing here because you obviously don't really like the game and didn't even bother to watch a few bids before downloading it.
I believe that those promotional videos were there to be just that, promotional. If CCP truly wanted to create a game where vehicles were dominant, they would have increased the vehicle quota far beyond 7. But since we are basing things such as balance off of something as insignificant and arbitrary as a promotional video, Forge Guns need to be made a Light Weapon. When you get a quote from CCP saying that this is working as intended, and that they wanted vehicles to be dominant; your argument will actually hold merit.
so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling .
Also forges have travel time as well as a slight dispersion at long range I.e. 200 m plus I'd like to see you land 4 consecutive shots on a nitro muddy from 250m away that takes skill. Also find and link me to a post that is dated beyond the release of 1.7 stating that vehicles arnt working as intended after all the QQ you'd think they would say something .
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I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
so your saying that promo vids should be ignored when looking into playing a particular game as they don't represent what you are going to play........right of now I'm sure your just trolling .
Also forges have travel time as well as a slight dispersion at long range I.e. 200 m plus I'd like to see you land 4 consecutive shots on a nitro muddy from 250m away that takes skill. Also find and link me to a post that is dated beyond the release of 1.7 stating that vehicles arnt working as intended after all the QQ you'd think they would say something .
Well, if you believe that the promotional video should be the determining factor in balance, move Forge Guns to the Light Weapon Slot. I wasn't referring to Forge Guns, I was referring to Blaster Turrets, which you use and are indeed hit-scan. However I'd love to see you kill me with Swarm Launchers from any range and tell me that it requires no skill. Quote 1 | Quote 2All state that they realize that there is a problem with them, and have a fix pending.
yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment .
Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it)
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Poultryge1st wrote:
I'm glad you are not developing this game.
You mean your glad that pegasis prime is not developing this game? Because under his logic, all of those changes would be made.
The bid with the forge gun isn't in game footage ..... but the vids that are heavy with vehicles are. If you can't even tell the difference then there is no helping you .
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:
I see what you are saying.....but tell me you needed skill in 1.6 to drop a tank with Swarm Launchers....you can't really because even I could do it...and as we know.....Tanker = Scru.....
It honestly depends on the situation. Let's say, we have 1 Madrugar. But it's got 6 infantry units surrounded by it, and 2 gunners in it, you refuse to use things such as tower camping, there are buildings in the way that prevent locking from over 100m, and the only defense you have from the 6 infantry units is an Ishukone Assault SMG. The 6 infantry units are carrying Duvolle ARs and Imperial SCRs on PRO suits, and your using Assault mk.0 suits. Not saying that AV was balanced, but that doesn't seem so easy now does it?
So in your scenario are you going solo to attack the tank and supporting infantryor do you have a squad backing you up ?
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
yes I occasionally use blaster turrets say approx 1 time out of 10, but im primerally a rail or missile tanker i mentiond that erlyer but you probably just wanted to ignore that part as it dosent lye well with your statment .
Also I do have proto prof 3 swarms but rarely need to use anything above adv (I often only use the den swarms) as when I'm running AV I'm supporting other avers or tanks and th I haven't had as bad a time as you (it's called team work you should probably look into it)
RIght, and I use swarms about 1 out of 10 times as well. Doesn't mean I don't use it. I'm rolling in a Gunnlogi with 2 damage modifiers, a Particle Cannon, and as much armor as I can fit. Though since AV should require teamwork, I assume that you also want tanking to require teamwork as well? *Insert revised Spkr4theDead sig here*
puffy 2 dammage mods and stacked armour lol , my double hardened single dammage molded particle cannon build would bust your ass quicker than you could say **** me that's pegasis prime.
Oh and yes almost all well all but 2 of my tank builds have Co gunners seats and I do encourage team work with hav's.
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I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
So in your scenario are you going solo to attack the tank and supporting infantryor do you have a squad backing you up ?
Your all by yourself. Oh, and they all have Duvolle Focused Scanners.
I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt.
I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child.
Well you produced a scenario in which you were attacking a tank and supporting infantry solo in a thread about balance ...wow just wow.
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I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt.
I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child.
I also like how you cut out the parts that make you look daft when re posting that actuallymakes me laugh. Your oopinions are nothing short of troll ish.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
I think I'm beginning to sense the causation for your but hurt.
I'm not really butthurt anymore, as V/AV imbalance no longer affects me. Though I do enjoy comments like those. It implies (or in your case, states) that you have no logical retort to the argument at hand, and therefore can only make statements such as "leul ur butthurt bruh". However, pointing out the logical fallacies in your posts and disproving your arguments is rather sad. It feels as if I'm beating a child.
Also being the first to start insulting and degrading someone who me you are discussing with /debating just goes to show who is the child/troll/******
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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