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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:27:00 -
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RIP SHOTGUN
Announced dead on 3/25/2014
Why did it lose it's ROF bonus?! WHY?!?! |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:30:00 -
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WHAT THE F*CK!?!?
why the hell would they do that? i didn't skill into shotgun proficiency 5 for some lame bonus to shields!
the devblog had to be a typo. maybe they were just blanketing all the weapons into their respective categories.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2724
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:32:00 -
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Yeah, it's pretty sad if they do change the bonus. I can't stand how quite CCP has been lately. Blue tags are rare.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1037
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:32:00 -
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You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:33:00 -
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I for one love my Federation Shotgun to bits.
"Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
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SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
223
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:33:00 -
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shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next.
VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2724
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:34:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable.
It is a giant nerf it's dmg once you get through armour.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1046
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:35:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable.
Nope, it's a joke, 15% more shield damage is a joke.
Good luck putting 5 shotgun shots into a heavy
The shotgun is not a alpha gun, it takes multiple shots to kill so a ROF nerf is HUGE |
axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:35:00 -
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Lol
We won't follow the deceiver.
You let this be your warning.
The path of the wretched is burning..
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1046
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:37:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next.
Can't tell if trolling or... |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7452
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:37:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable. Nope, it's a joke, 15% more shield damage is a joke. Good luck putting 5 shotgun shots into a heavy The shotgun is not a alpha gun, it takes multiple shots to kill so a ROF nerf is HUGE
You do realize that the Caldari Heavy is mainly a shield tanker, right?
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
1098
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:39:00 -
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You'll need 4 shots max with a standard shotgun to kill any heavy in 1.8. |
Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
269
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:41:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next.
There are only like 5-6 weapons in this game that really *require* aiming skills (or luck I guess) to actually work. Surprisingly enough, the shotgun is one of those.
Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1049
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:42:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable. Nope, it's a joke, 15% more shield damage is a joke. Good luck putting 5 shotgun shots into a heavy The shotgun is not a alpha gun, it takes multiple shots to kill so a ROF nerf is HUGE You do realize that the Caldari Heavy is mainly a shield tanker, right?
So? Against anything else it's a joke. In fact a ROF bonus would still be better against caldari as 15% more shield damage will most likely still take the same amount of shots to kill |
Stevilovitche
What The French
Red Whines.
7
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:43:00 -
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It's sure that 15% damage against shield is very usefull vs amarr and gallente heavys...
After 1.8 , you shoot a heavy
- time to do the next shoot, the fatty turn back and say hello with his kind HMG  |
HiddenBrother
120
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:47:00 -
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OH NOOOOOOOOO
THIS MEANS I HAVE TO ADAPT AND CHOOSE MY OPPONENTS A BIT MORE WISELY WHILE I AM CLOAKED.
PRFFRABLE SHIELD BASED OPNENTS
AHHHH
CCP Y YOU DID THIS!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Ruin.
Weekly PC battles; even though ninety percent of Molden Heath is locked.
36 million ISK battle coins are fun.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1278
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:47:00 -
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Can some one please explain to me why the RoF bonus is so important? The way i see it, SGs are the epitome of an alpha strike weapon.
When I fight against shotgunners, it's either a one-shot-death or very likely not-a-deathGäó for me at all. I'd take more likely killing with the first precise hit over a higher but still slim chance to connect a second or even third shot any day of the week.
Changing the bonus to both shields and armor until other SG variants are added would be good though.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1049
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:48:00 -
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HiddenBrother wrote:OH NOOOOOOOOO
THIS MEANS I HAVE TO ADAPT AND CHOOSE MY OPPONENTS A BIT MORE WISELY WHILE I AM CLOAKED.
PRFFRABLE SHIELD BASED OPNENTS
AHHHH
CCP Y YOU DID THIS!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
So your saying you support nerfing one of the worst guns in the game.
Wow |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1050
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:50:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Can some one please explain to me why the RoF bonus is so important? The way i see it, SGs are the epitome of an alpha strike weapon.
When I fight against shotgunners, it's either a one-shot-death or very likely not-a-deathGäó for me at all. I'd take more likely killing with the first precise hit over a higher but still slim chance to connect a second or even third shot any day of the week.
Changing the bonus to both shields and armor until other SG variants are added would be good though.
Because shotguns are NOT alpha weapons
They take multiple shots to kill except for some militia suits and scouts |
DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
410
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:50:00 -
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Unless you use a gallente commando ?!!
Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4625
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:54:00 -
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Shotguns will be fine. I personally only have prof to 3
Never saw a need to go past that... Or even get proficiency in the first place tbh.
Regardless, shotgun will be fine. Don't worry
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3186
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:54:00 -
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Shotgun died in 1.0
Recently, they've been better than they have since May, but still just a disgrace to their former selves.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Stevilovitche
What The French
Red Whines.
7
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:56:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Can some one please explain to me why the RoF bonus is so important? The way i see it, SGs are the epitome of an alpha strike weapon.
When I fight against shotgunners, it's either a one-shot-death or very likely not-a-deathGäó for me at all. I'd take more likely killing with the first precise hit over a higher but still slim chance to connect a second or even third shot any day of the week.
Changing the bonus to both shields and armor until other SG variants are added would be good though.
You say this because you are not a shotgun's user. ( sorry if my english is bad ) ^^
The change of proficiency in 1.8 change nothing against all the STB guys, all people shotgun can one shoot.
But against proto guys and heavy, to shoot more faster is veru usefull.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1050
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:56:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Shotguns will be fine. I personally only have prof to 3
Never saw a need to go past that... Or even get proficiency in the first place tbh.
Regardless, shotgun will be fine. Don't worry
Nope, shotgun is on life support
1.8 will pull the plug |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4625
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:01:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Shotguns will be fine. I personally only have prof to 3
Never saw a need to go past that... Or even get proficiency in the first place tbh.
Regardless, shotgun will be fine. Don't worry Nope, shotgun is on life support 1.8 will pull the plug
It's not that bad... In PC.
In pubs the shotgun is horrid, I'll admit. However in PC, it's quite good actually. Unfortunately it's just that CR and RR are better than it in 90% of confrontations.
1.8 will change that slightly. With the nerf to rifles, shotguns will more more useful and better than a rifle on cqc.
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
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ritslight umarn
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:01:00 -
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Stevilovitche wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Can some one please explain to me why the RoF bonus is so important? The way i see it, SGs are the epitome of an alpha strike weapon.
When I fight against shotgunners, it's either a one-shot-death or very likely not-a-deathGäó for me at all. I'd take more likely killing with the first precise hit over a higher but still slim chance to connect a second or even third shot any day of the week.
Changing the bonus to both shields and armor until other SG variants are added would be good though. You say this because you are not a shotgun's user. ( sorry if my english is bad ) ^^ The change of proficiency in 1.8 change nothing against all the STB guys, all people shotgun can one shoot. But against proto guys and heavy, to shoot more faster is veru usefull.
stb? is it because some of are corp run shotgun scout?
#1 scrub in dust 514
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1278
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:05:00 -
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ritslight umarn wrote:stb? Either SVER True Blood or (more likely, in context) STD or Standard fits.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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ritslight umarn
218
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:07:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:ritslight umarn wrote:stb? Either SVER True Blood or (more likely, in context) STD or Standard fits.
ohh I see thank you for that info, the only reason why I asked is because im part of stb
#1 scrub in dust 514
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Stevilovitche
What The French
Red Whines.
7
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:08:00 -
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Lol sorry I would say STD ^^ |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
763
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:08:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable.
Ahh this is because the spread reduction on operation makes it harder to use the SG as it will only hit if your dead on target. The RoF bonus was nice but never made sense on the SG but the current prof bonus is indeed an outright nerf to the SG... |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
763
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:14:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next. There are only like 5-6 weapons in this game that really *require* aiming skills (or luck I guess) to actually work. Surprisingly enough, the shotgun is one of those.
Yeah and surprisingly thanks to the operation skills it gest harder to use in CQC as it is way easier to out strafe the SG on OP5 compared to OP0. I don't know what was in CCP's mind as they designed the OP skill.
On OP0 the SG works like a SG on OP5 its more like a SG with slugs. Funny enough slugs are usually for mid range combat and just bad in CQC compared to stdAmmo. Too bad that the SG has an optimal of 4-6m..... |
Scheherazade VII
348
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:23:00 -
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Just as I get prof 3...
oh well at least with the mass driver buff i can use my prof 5 MD again, points in damage mods are wasted but i can get
complex shield and armour with the amount i wasted on suits. probably one complex kin cat one complex plate, one complex damage mod and 2 complex shield extenders.
the splash damage alone without proficiency will one shot starter fits unless I read it wrong, if so then it's still
one shot direct hit for starter fits. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1052
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Posted - 2014.03.18 23:54:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Dexter307 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Shotguns will be fine. I personally only have prof to 3
Never saw a need to go past that... Or even get proficiency in the first place tbh.
Regardless, shotgun will be fine. Don't worry Nope, shotgun is on life support 1.8 will pull the plug It's not that bad... In PC. In pubs the shotgun is horrid, I'll admit. However in PC, it's quite good actually. Unfortunately it's just that CR and RR are better than it in 90% of confrontations. 1.8 will change that slightly. With the nerf to rifles, shotguns will more more useful and better than a rifle on cqc.
Except the shotgun is also getting nerfed |
Medical Crash
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
229
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:00:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:RIP SHOTGUN
Announced dead on 3/25/2014
Why did it lose it's ROF bonus?! WHY?!?!
I'm trying not to shed tears here.... It died too soon. Cruel world, does thy spare no one? Maybe the 1.8 heavies will stand still and let us headshot them? No? Ok then it's dead. Call the morge people. |
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:11:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable.
the reason its so good is because you haven't skilled itGǪit gets worse when you skill operation because of spread reduction being retracted inside of what the reticle actually says
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
280
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:13:00 -
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Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall.
Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away.
bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you
bamboo x ('Toxin' Assault Rifle) you
bamboo x (Charge Sniper Rifle) you
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:13:00 -
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I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy.
Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear.
The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ). |
hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:25:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next.
scrub
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1061
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:26:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy. Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear. The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ).
No, shield damage increase is a joke and no where near as good as a rof bonus.
Spread reduction is bad because i want a shotgun not a slug shotgun |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4695
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:28:00 -
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HiddenBrother wrote:OH NOOOOOOOOO
THIS MEANS I HAVE TO ADAPT AND CHOOSE MY OPPONENTS A BIT MORE WISELY WHILE I AM CLOAKED.
PRFFRABLE SHIELD BASED OPNENTS
AHHHH
CCP Y YOU DID THIS!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! You can't shoot while cloaked. This guy...
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4695
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:31:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall.
Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away.
The Shotgun already shoots a pin sized shot of... of shot! Also ADS'ing is the best way of getting 15m.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
215
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:34:00 -
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there are 5 things I hate in Dust:
-Tanks
-Snipers
-Shotgunners
-Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec
-Logis that do not do their job
I am happy for the shotgun nerf |
Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5153
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:39:00 -
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Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF. |
Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
284
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:49:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Shutter Fly wrote:I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy. Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear. The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ). No, shield damage increase is a joke and no where near as good as a rof bonus. Spread reduction is bad because i want a shotgun not a slug shotgun
You want less damage...why?
There is NO benefit to having more spread other than being easier to hit, and it's only easier to hit for much lower amounts of damage. |
Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1588
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:51:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF.
Except the damage increase is not enough to change the number of shots to kill
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147892 feedback adn ideas forum post showing changing to damage is a nerf to shotguns.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
168
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Posted - 2014.03.19 00:54:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next.
you are such a ******* idiotGǪ.shotguns require so much more aiming than rifles its not even funny
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Yeeeuuuupppp
164
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:06:00 -
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I won't really be effected by it..... I only have shotgun to level 3.... Joll3y Rog3r will be hurt though
My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash.
I really want the templar set
Feel the wrath of my troll
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
816
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:09:00 -
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Why are they not including a weapon respec as well since they are making such drastic changes? |
Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
284
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:26:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF. Except the damage increase is not enough to change the number of shots to kill https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147892 feedback adn ideas forum post showing changing to damage is a nerf to shotguns.
Wow...just read that post. Apparently I was way off about the effect of the proficiency change on TTK.
You'd think someone at CCP would have run these exact same tests, and they probably even have spreadsheets that just spit the results out. Even if they don't, it's kind of, you know, their JOB to figure these things out. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1591
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:33:00 -
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shotgun funeral... you sure waited long enough to bury the damn thing.
was it ever alive??? that steaming pile of dung has suffered from hit detection issues and poor balance for well over a year and a half now(probably longer I'm only a year and a half old). it's not viable now, it wasn't then, and it wont be in 1.8. I have no freaking clue why I keep skilling the shotgun it's a complete waste of SP every time yet I keep doing it.
perhaps I'm going insane... but that would imply that I'm not already...
GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥
Ko6 scout,
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4402
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Posted - 2014.03.19 01:37:00 -
[51] - Quote
The amount of fucks I give is equal to the RoF bonus next build
I am your scan error.
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negative49er
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:02:00 -
[52] - Quote
Me and my shotgun go ham even during 1.8
Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1075
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:12:00 -
[53] - Quote
The Terminator T-1000 wrote:there are 5 things I hate in Dust:
-Tanks
-Snipers
-Shotgunners
-Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec
-Logis that do not do their job
I am happy for the shotgun nerf
Yet again, forum users / DUST players that couldn't care about balance at all and only what suits them best.... I'm getting sick of this to be honest.
As for the gun, The RoF bonus should go to the operation skill instead of the stupid spread reduction considering that:
A. The shotgun has no range so spread reduction helps in no way at all.
and
B. Spread is more of a choice aspect of a shotgun. Why not have variants (like derr breachhh derrr) that have more range with a tighter spread.
As per usual, no balance, ill thought out changes.... just facepalm as usual
Investigate 9/11
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J0LLY R0G3R
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
628
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:14:00 -
[54] - Quote
I'm willing to drop a X(
on this thread
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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Tectonic Fusion
1261
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
All those who oppose keeping/making the new proficiency bonus better will be considered scrubs (you all know who guys are).
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
376
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
from a fat suit.
sorry for your losse scouts. =(
one of the few things that really makes me jump. love good fights against epic shotgunners i often dont stand a chance but thats though my own lack of skill against some guys.
i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)
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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
413
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
I see no need for shield damage since one shot wipes shields anyway, unless the damage increase means you use half or quarter of its power and the rest is regular distribution to armor which could essentialy cause more damage overal an be balanced by shooting slower and still take the same amount of shots yet leave a big gap in rof for your death to occur, but if overal ttk has changed you won't die trying to fire a second round.
Idk must play to test I guess
Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
776
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Posted - 2014.03.19 10:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
bamboo x wrote:Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall.
Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away.
At 15m the SG does close to zero damage, and using the SG on a gal assault is cloese to most stupid thing you can do with the SG.... |
Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
357
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Posted - 2014.03.19 11:05:00 -
[59] - Quote
At least it's not getting an actual/base damage nerf...
Silver lining...
With the splash damage reduction as well, I'm not sure how to handle sentinels...
The Ghost of Bravo
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
423
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Posted - 2014.03.19 11:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
The Terminator T-1000 wrote:there are 5 things I hate in Dust:
-Tanks
-Snipers
-Shotgunners
-Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec
-Logis that do not do their job
I am happy for the shotgun nerf
So pretty pretty mutch everything that kills your fat butt?
War never changes
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