DUST Search - Shotgun funeral

Dexter307 wrote:

Shutter Fly wrote:

I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy.

Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear.

The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw Sad

No, shield damage increase is a joke and no where near as good as a rof bonus.
Spread reduction is bad because i want a shotgun not a slug shotgun

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Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:14:00 - [31] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next. There are only like 5-6 weapons in this game that really require aiming skills (or luck I guess) to actually work. Surprisingly enough, the shotgun is one of those. Yeah and surprisingly thanks to the operation skills it gest harder to use in CQC as it is way easier to out strafe the SG on OP5 compared to OP0. I don't know what was in CCP's mind as they designed the OP skill. On OP0 the SG works like a SG on OP5 its more like a SG with slugs. Funny enough slugs are usually for mid range combat and just bad in CQC compared to stdAmmo. Too bad that the SG has an optimal of 4-6m.....
Scheherazade VII 348	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:23:00 - [32] - Quote Just as I get prof 3... oh well at least with the mass driver buff i can use my prof 5 MD again, points in damage mods are wasted but i can get complex shield and armour with the amount i wasted on suits. probably one complex kin cat one complex plate, one complex damage mod and 2 complex shield extenders. the splash damage alone without proficiency will one shot starter fits unless I read it wrong, if so then it's still one shot direct hit for starter fits.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1052	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:54:00 - [33] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Dexter307 wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Shotguns will be fine. I personally only have prof to 3 Never saw a need to go past that... Or even get proficiency in the first place tbh. Regardless, shotgun will be fine. Don't worry Nope, shotgun is on life support 1.8 will pull the plug It's not that bad... In PC. In pubs the shotgun is horrid, I'll admit. However in PC, it's quite good actually. Unfortunately it's just that CR and RR are better than it in 90% of confrontations. 1.8 will change that slightly. With the nerf to rifles, shotguns will more more useful and better than a rifle on cqc. Except the shotgun is also getting nerfed
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 229	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:00:00 - [34] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: RIP SHOTGUN Announced dead on 3/25/2014 Why did it lose it's ROF bonus?! WHY?!?! I'm trying not to shed tears here.... It died too soon. Cruel world, does thy spare no one? Maybe the 1.8 heavies will stand still and let us headshot them? No? Ok then it's dead. Call the morge people.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 167	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:11:00 - [35] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: You make it sound like it's worthless. I've been using nothing but my unskilled 'Dren' SG for months now and have had no problems killing protos or heavies. Sure, it may not be as good as it used to (idk I never skilled it up enough), but I'm sure they're still more than viable. the reason its so good is because you haven't skilled itGÇªit gets worse when you skill operation because of spread reduction being retracted inside of what the reticle actually says Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 280	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:13:00 - [36] - Quote Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall. Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away. bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you bamboo x ('Toxin' Assault Rifle) you bamboo x (Charge Sniper Rifle) you
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 282	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:13:00 - [37] - Quote I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy. Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear. The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ).
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:25:00 - [38] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next. scrub
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1061	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:26:00 - [39] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy. Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear. The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ). No, shield damage increase is a joke and no where near as good as a rof bonus. Spread reduction is bad because i want a shotgun not a slug shotgun
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4695	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:28:00 - [40] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: OH NOOOOOOOOO THIS MEANS I HAVE TO ADAPT AND CHOOSE MY OPPONENTS A BIT MORE WISELY WHILE I AM CLOAKED. PRFFRABLE SHIELD BASED OPNENTS AHHHH CCP Y YOU DID THIS!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! You can't shoot while cloaked. This guy... Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4695	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:31:00 - [41] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall. Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away. The Shotgun already shoots a pin sized shot of... of shot! Also ADS'ing is the best way of getting 15m. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 215	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:34:00 - [42] - Quote there are 5 things I hate in Dust: -Tanks -Snipers -Shotgunners -Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec -Logis that do not do their job I am happy for the shotgun nerf
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5153	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:39:00 - [43] - Quote Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 284	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:49:00 - [44] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: I actually don't think the SG prof change is much of a nerf. In comparison to the rifles/SMG, I would say the shotty is actually coming out better than before. Although, against heavies, it's a huge nerf. You'll never kill a well fit heavy of the same meta as your shotgun in less than 3 hits, damage increase or not, so a higher RoF is always better against a heavy. Spread reduction is a good thing, it concentrates the damage from each shot, making it much more likely to do full damage to your target. Yes, it's a bit harder to hit, but the reward for doing so is worth it. The only issue with it is that the hipfire reticule stays the same size as you level the skill, if it were to shrink to better represent the spread, most of the problems would disappear. The shotgun may see a bit of a nerf as far as pubs go, but it's PC viability will increase with the nerf to rifles. I'm looking forward to getting back into PC again. The whole PC locking debacle/protest/thing started just as I finally got my Gal Scout fully PC viable, and my internet decided to screw me over just as the hotfix went into effect (and finals, trimesters ftw ). No, shield damage increase is a joke and no where near as good as a rof bonus. Spread reduction is bad because i want a shotgun not a slug shotgun You want less damage...why? There is NO benefit to having more spread other than being easier to hit, and it's only easier to hit for much lower amounts of damage.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1588	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:51:00 - [45] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF. Except the damage increase is not enough to change the number of shots to kill https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147892 feedback adn ideas forum post showing changing to damage is a nerf to shotguns. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 168	Posted - 2014.03.19 00:54:00 - [46] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: shotguns for people that cant aim. RIP good game, next. you are such a ******* idiotGÇª.shotguns require so much more aiming than rifles its not even funny Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Yeeeuuuupppp 164	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:06:00 - [47] - Quote I won't really be effected by it..... I only have shotgun to level 3.... Joll3y Rog3r will be hurt though My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 816	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:09:00 - [48] - Quote Why are they not including a weapon respec as well since they are making such drastic changes?
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 284	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:26:00 - [49] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Shotgun will be fine. I prefer the new bonus, an alpha weapon deserves a bonus to damage, not ROF. Except the damage increase is not enough to change the number of shots to kill https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147892 feedback adn ideas forum post showing changing to damage is a nerf to shotguns. Wow...just read that post. Apparently I was way off about the effect of the proficiency change on TTK. You'd think someone at CCP would have run these exact same tests, and they probably even have spreadsheets that just spit the results out. Even if they don't, it's kind of, you know, their JOB to figure these things out.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1591	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:33:00 - [50] - Quote shotgun funeral... you sure waited long enough to bury the damn thing. was it ever alive??? that steaming pile of dung has suffered from hit detection issues and poor balance for well over a year and a half now(probably longer I'm only a year and a half old). it's not viable now, it wasn't then, and it wont be in 1.8. I have no freaking clue why I keep skilling the shotgun it's a complete waste of SP every time yet I keep doing it. perhaps I'm going insane... but that would imply that I'm not already... GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,

Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4402	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:37:00 - [51] - Quote The amount of fucks I give is equal to the RoF bonus next build I am your scan error.
negative49er Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 548	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:02:00 - [52] - Quote Me and my shotgun go ham even during 1.8 Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1075	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:12:00 - [53] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: there are 5 things I hate in Dust: -Tanks -Snipers -Shotgunners -Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec -Logis that do not do their job I am happy for the shotgun nerf Yet again, forum users / DUST players that couldn't care about balance at all and only what suits them best.... I'm getting sick of this to be honest. As for the gun, The RoF bonus should go to the operation skill instead of the stupid spread reduction considering that: A. The shotgun has no range so spread reduction helps in no way at all. and B. Spread is more of a choice aspect of a shotgun. Why not have variants (like derr breachhh derrr) that have more range with a tighter spread. As per usual, no balance, ill thought out changes.... just facepalm as usual Investigate 9/11
J0LLY R0G3R Imperfects Negative-Feedback 628	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:14:00 - [54] - Quote I'm willing to drop a X( on this thread XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Tectonic Fusion 1261	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:22:00 - [55] - Quote All those who oppose keeping/making the new proficiency bonus better will be considered scrubs (you all know who guys are). Solo Player Squad status: Locked
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 376	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:26:00 - [56] - Quote from a fat suit. sorry for your losse scouts. =( one of the few things that really makes me jump. love good fights against epic shotgunners i often dont stand a chance but thats though my own lack of skill against some guys. i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 413	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:51:00 - [57] - Quote I see no need for shield damage since one shot wipes shields anyway, unless the damage increase means you use half or quarter of its power and the rest is regular distribution to armor which could essentialy cause more damage overal an be balanced by shooting slower and still take the same amount of shots yet leave a big gap in rof for your death to occur, but if overal ttk has changed you won't die trying to fire a second round. Idk must play to test I guess Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 776	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:55:00 - [58] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Good. At least assault rifles aren't the only ones taking the fall. Plus if you really love your shotgun so much, go for the Gallente Assault. You'll be one shotting motherfuckers from 15 meters away. At 15m the SG does close to zero damage, and using the SG on a gal assault is cloese to most stupid thing you can do with the SG....
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 357	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:05:00 - [59] - Quote At least it's not getting an actual/base damage nerf... Silver lining... With the splash damage reduction as well, I'm not sure how to handle sentinels... The Ghost of Bravo
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 423	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:24:00 - [60] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: there are 5 things I hate in Dust: -Tanks -Snipers -Shotgunners -Getting revived just to die again in less than 0.1 sec -Logis that do not do their job I am happy for the shotgun nerf So pretty pretty mutch everything that kills your fat butt? War never changes



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