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GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 720	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:10:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would like a buff to CCP to double or quadruple the content team size from its current size of supposedly one person. If that is true, this game is toast. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 988	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:12:00 - [32] - Quote 1.8 = the continuation of OP tanks in open fields combined with OP Sentinels in interiors. Thanks CCP I've been meaning to catch up with some of my single player games and spend more time playing my PS4. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13496	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:12:00 - [33] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would like a buff to CCP to double or quadruple the content team size from its current size of supposedly one person. If that is true, this game is toast. Well there are fewer guns and suits over the hill and less demand to get them out the door asap. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 563	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:13:00 - [34] - Quote Wow, this turned into a pissing contest quite quickly. Sadly, I'm at work and lack any popcorn. I sure hope it continues nonetheless, even though I must venture out into the stacks to locate 200 misplaced books out of roughly 2,000,000. Good day gentlemen. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13496	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:14:00 - [35] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Wow, this turned into a pissing contest quite quickly. Sadly, I'm at work and lack any popcorn. I sure hope it continues nonetheless, even though I must venture out into the stacks to locate 200 misplaced books out of roughly 2,000,000. Good day gentlemen. Well it all started when the OP assumed CCP did not listen; instead he should be infuriated over the lack of ACTION on what is heard so far. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3141	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:16:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. Scuse me but the teams are really busy as you said with the fanfest patch, they're working their posteriors off and making any of the current patches too big with split attention could cause some lol bad business. Remember militia overdrives at 100% speed increase? Good example of too much all at once. AV v V will be a topic demanded to be hot fixed by the CPM. Then reduce the number of vehicles that can be called in in pubs. That would be a seemingly fast, easy temporary (or longterm) fix. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 780	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:19:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would like a buff to CCP to double or quadruple the content team size from its current size of supposedly one person. If that is true, this game is toast. Well there are fewer guns and suits over the hill and less demand to get them out the door asap. Heavy Laser called... wants to know if it will ever see the light of day... Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 726	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:21:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well it all started when the OP assumed CCP did not listen; instead he should be infuriated over the lack of ACTION on what is heard so far. Does not listen, or listens and takes no action, the result is the same. The situation remains unchanged, and CCP makes no statement. Could they remove vehicles from Ambush? Could they change recall timers? Could they change vehicle caps to suit game types? Who know? CCP isn't saying anything, and the CPM isn't worth much besides telling us things we already know, and not getting across to CCP the importance of balancing what is in the game before breaking it and adding new stuff. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 119	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:22:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: its been nearly four months, they could have just hotfixed this rubbish and they chose not to. all they have to do is tweak a few stats, it should not take them that long. you know this. Tis' not as easy as you think. In the worst days of AV v V it was being done in the manner you described, haphazardly. These days its a drive by the numbers. There needs to be a happy balance between gut and numbers but that requires a matured game where one player can spout out a number change and experts in dust would be able to instantly tell you why that number is terrible; then have a dev on the same page that sort of thinking. We're closer but it will take time. I think that the only thing that is needed is a shield hardener reduction and a slight speed reduction. Not much else is needed. Maybe a slight AV buff.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 521	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:22:00 - [40] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Wrong dude, sneaking up on a tank isn't hard at all. It's having them hold still long enough to actually plant all 3 remote charges. A good tanker hears one beep and they are gone, that also if you get lucky and they're in first person or have their camera angled so you can stand in their blind spot. Only if we could use equipment while cloaked. . Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile

Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 653	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:25:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. Make a fix come ASAP, within the next couple weeks at the latest and you will regain my confidence as a cpm member. This is a crucial part of game play and let's just say game play is not breaking any fun factor records right now. Newb
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 315	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:26:00 - [42] - Quote I think it is possible that awarding damage points for damage may be a large enough change to warrant testing on its own and see where tank AV balance is with it. I personally think the lack of incentive to play AV was the major problem, and swarms sucking so bad. I guess we'll see. I know I'm happy about the WP anyway. Because, that's why.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3026	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:29:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. lolcpm Like you lot are going to do anything Intelligence is OP
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 731	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:29:00 - [44] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I think it is possible that awarding damage points for damage may be a large enough change to warrant testing on its own and see where tank AV balance is with it. I personally think the lack of incentive to play AV was the major problem, and swarms sucking so bad. I guess we'll see. I know I'm happy about the WP anyway. Giving AV the WP might motivate some, but the problem is that overall AV effectiveness has been drastically slashed. In a prime example, a great way to spike a tank is to roll up in an LAV, and attack with a mix of packed AV nades and forge. In the upcoming changes, the forge has lost 15% of its damage to it off type, and lost 5% to each damage mod. They have also lost over 1000 potential damage from the lack of a third AV or Flux. Across the board AV nerf with no tank changes is going to be very, very bad. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 199	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:31:00 - [45] - Quote this is CCP's way of trolling the fake tankers out there that think they know what their doing CCP says here ya dummy's take your bonus SP and your 1.8 banked SP along with this dropsuit command SP and sink your 4-5 mill into the tank you think you know what your doing with and a few weeks later everything will change per CCP and they will be fish food the only real tankers that will know how to adapt and overcome will be the ones who have spent their dust career dealing with the good and the bad since the beginning I cant wait for 1.8 so I can wreck all these scan spam *****'s that twist and twirl with their scanner and repeat scan every 5 seconds lets see how well they do when their cruch has a cooldown long enough for me to flank their brains out Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1413	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:36:00 - [46] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: its been nearly four months, they could have just hotfixed this rubbish and they chose not to. all they have to do is tweak a few stats, it should not take them that long. you know this. Tis' not as easy as you think. In the worst days of AV v V it was being done in the manner you described, haphazardly. These days its a drive by the numbers. There needs to be a happy balance between gut and numbers but that requires a matured game where one player can spout out a number change and experts in dust would be able to instantly tell you why that number is terrible; then have a dev on the same page that sort of thinking. We're closer but it will take time. pardon me but thats BS! tanks driving TOO FAST . simple fix REDUCE speed to 19m fixed. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13501	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:40:00 - [47] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. Make a fix come ASAP, within the next couple weeks at the latest and you will regain my confidence as a cpm member. This is a crucial part of game play and let's just say game play is not breaking any fun factor records right now. Can't rush these things unfortunately. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1413	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:49:00 - [48] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. Make a fix come ASAP, within the next couple weeks at the latest and you will regain my confidence as a cpm member. This is a crucial part of game play and let's just say game play is not breaking any fun factor records right now. Can't rush these things unfortunately. CCP had better fix things or else September gets here many will migrate to PS4 Not going to miss out on 1080p games due to PS3 loyalty ...lol. Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3185	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:50:00 - [49] - Quote **** those dudes. I GÖú Kittens.
DAMIOS82 ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 88	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:00:00 - [50] - Quote I don't see the fuss and those that QQ about it are simply incompetent. I personally don't think it's ok to have a 1 HAV kill grenade. It should take more then one grenade and the less one carry's the more effort it takes, so no spamming of grenades, more hives needed. As it is meant to be. RE's and prox mines work on tanks, aslong as your smart about it, cloaks might increase the brain factor a bit ( and yes perhaps some bug fixing in that area). My forge gun works aswell. So no problem there yes it might take me multiple shot's, but they still go down and if i'm paired with someone with swarms we tear them up. So if there is indeed a so called proto tanker and all still fails i call in my own hav and problem mostly solved (not always offcourse). Team effort and out of the box thinking is what kill's HAV's. But that all said i do think that instead of CCP running circle's around the same things, trying to hotfix something that does not need a hotfix, they might want to introduce more different way's of killing vehicles. Like beeing able to call down barriers, mine fields. spikes for cripling effect, vehicle emc weapons, lock on devices so that perhaps the pods in space can interact on taking out vehicles, etc. Afterall it does not always have to be god like weapons to take out the mean bad wolf. Equipment could help aswell.

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2452	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:02:00 - [51] - Quote Yeah nice one now i cant even destroy a damn militia LAV with AV nades anymore. I usually need 3 AV grenades in a row to take them out. Now its futile to put AV nades on my suit. And i highly doubt that the forgegun will deal enough damage without tripple complex damage mods anymore. That thing was the only half usefull av cause the other 2 are a waste of time to even use. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13515	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:32:00 - [52] - Quote Oh great... just got informed there are bigger fires to put out now than this sorry. >< dammit every time too. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1924	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:19:00 - [53] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. lolcpm Like you lot are going to do anything Exactly They couldn't badger CCP for a full infantry respec, and were probably laughing at the idea of a dropsuit-only respec. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:28:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. My guess this is either a hotfix that will break more than it helps or it will take 3 month to be deployed. Look I dount want to sound pessimistic but WE TOLD them before 1.7 what their vehicle changes will cause, after that it took them 3 month to come up this nonsense and now you tell us that all of a sudden they will be able to solve that issue in a hotfix????
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2458	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:29:00 - [55] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Oh great... just got informed there are bigger fires to put out now than this sorry. >< dammit every time too. And if you're wondering what it is; I would point you to 1.8.s SDE which should be public by now. Why does this not surprise me at all? And "bigger fires"? Like what? Introducing the 100% militia fuel injector back into the game? Or removing Jihad LAV's which are like the only straw for infantry to kill tanks? Or are they busy with Eve adjusting the ship spinning inside a station? Ya know what? Give swarms their old 330 damage, 5 round clip and quicker lock on back. Give forgeguns their old damage and charge up time back and we could live with the current situation for a while. Buff the proto plasma cannon to 1700HP damage. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:32:00 - [56] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Hardly you can already do all that without the cloak and this did not really solve the issue, sure stupid pilots may fall to this tactic as they did before the cloak but whats the point they will simply call in another HAV... The cloak won't be the holy grail of AV it will help in certain limited situations but the cloak won't change the overall dilemma.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1512	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:34:00 - [57] - Quote Testing Turbo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. 4 months of UP AV and matches dominated by tank spam ... and then they nerf damage mods and AV+ Flux grenades ... The 1 thing this game didn't need was a further AV nerf .. it really is **** poor to not do something about Tanks and AV .. what use is introducing new suits if Tanks are going to be even stronger in 1.8 ? They've had 4 months to hotfix tanks and AV .. how they have ignored it completely from 1.8 is beyond me !!!! They should be able to hotfix damage if its too bad. Who wants some?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2031	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:35:00 - [58] - Quote Testing Turbo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. 4 months of UP AV and matches dominated by tank spam ... and then they nerf damage mods and AV+ Flux grenades ... The 1 thing this game didn't need was a further AV nerf .. it really is **** poor to not do something about Tanks and AV .. what use is introducing new suits if Tanks are going to be even stronger in 1.8 ? They've had 4 months to hotfix tanks and AV .. how they have ignored it completely from 1.8 is beyond me !!!! Learn how to work together and they are much, much easier, if I can do it with a PLC and mines/nades then it can be done. Everything shouldn't be able to be soloed, this is a team based game where good teamwork wins. HAVs are not that OP if at all, you people are just lazy and trained by other FPS games to Billy Bad Ass and that isn't how DUST works. Teamwork is the great equalizer. I still haven't seen a HAV that can survive a coordinated attack by a good squad/team that is skilled into AV. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1233	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:45:00 - [59] - Quote Just give me back my Uprising 1.0 swarms back and increase their missile speed. Hell, you can even cut their range halfway between current and previous range. It will still be underpowered vs these super hardened/super repped tanks, but at least they will be viable again with the old 4 in a clip and the old missile damage plus the speed buff. MAG ~ Raven
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2512	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:45:00 - [60] - Quote The current TANK vs AV imbalance and now continued AV nerf is failure on both the CPM and CCP. Its just insulting to community. Also IWS continues to prove why he should never be in a PR or damage control job...ever. My SP GAP carries me.



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