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Testing Turbo wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

GeneralButtNaked wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with.

I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum.

I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV.

Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank.

Scuse me but the teams are really busy as you said with the fanfest patch, they're working their posteriors off and making any of the current patches too big with split attention could cause some lol bad business.

Remember militia overdrives at 100% speed increase?

Good example of too much all at once.

AV v V will be a topic demanded to be hot fixed by the CPM.

Let face it they've had plenty of time to fix AV but chose not too ...there is still a swarm launcher bug as shown in Judge Radamantheus video showing the damage not being applied properley thus making SLs useless and this hasn;t been fixed despite being a bug we've dealt with for 4 months

It shouldn;t be a hotfix it should;ve been in 1.8

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GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 717	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:46:00 - [1] - Quote With only 2 nades now, it just got a lot tougher to take out tanks. Great job CCP. There was immediate feedback as soon as the devblog came out, but no changes were made. Not surprising, but unfortunate. Tanks are going to be actually OP now. Given the new production schedule, expect this to remain the course untli the fanfest patch, which is complete BS. Vehicle rebalancing should have had its first wave of touch ups with this patch, and been refined on the next, not left alone in a badly balanced state. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13483	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:48:00 - [2] - Quote Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2714	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:48:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I feel like my FG and swarm launcher prof are wasted now. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2293	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:49:00 - [4] - Quote Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1412	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sure a lot of forum-warriors are pleased that you're "slapping" them lol. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 719	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:50:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2717	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Uhhhh, I usually have to toss AV nades at a tank before I can "pop" it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13488	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:51:00 - [8] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sure a lot of forum-warriors are pleased that you're "slapping" them lol. It's more like "Slap* We screwed up; what are we going to do to fix it?" sort of slapping. They are more than well aware by now. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1053	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. you are overly optimistic. REs only work if the tank hangs around one place. Most of the truly tough (wiping out your entire team) tanks, keep moving, and dont take the same paths. Putting on a cloak, doesnt allow the scout to magically keep up with an always-moving tank.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13488	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:53:00 - [10] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. Scuse me but the teams are really busy as you said with the fanfest patch, they're working their posteriors off and making any of the current patches too big with split attention could cause some lol bad business. Remember militia overdrives at 100% speed increase? Good example of too much all at once. AV v V will be a topic demanded to be hot fixed by the CPM. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2294	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:53:00 - [11] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Uhhhh, I usually have to toss AV nades at a tank before I can "pop" it. Alright, so these scouts can make use of either 2 AV or Flux grenades. It's difficult to deny how drastict cloaks will shape things. I anticipiate more red line tanking. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Testing Turbo Bragian Order Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:53:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. Rest of the hotfix talk is going to depend what breaks on patch day. 4 months of UP AV and matches dominated by tank spam ... and then they nerf damage mods and AV+ Flux grenades ... The 1 thing this game didn't need was a further AV nerf .. it really is **** poor to not do something about Tanks and AV .. what use is introducing new suits if Tanks are going to be even stronger in 1.8 ? They've had 4 months to hotfix tanks and AV .. how they have ignored it completely from 1.8 is beyond me !!!!
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 563	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:54:00 - [13] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. You know what CCP always says 'Why change one of two things when we can change them both at the same time?' 1.7 Swarm changes are my anecdotal evidence. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2294	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:54:00 - [14] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. you are overly optimistic. REs only work if the tank hangs around one place. Most of the truly tough (wiping out your entire team) tanks, keep moving, and dont take the same paths. Putting on a cloak, doesnt allow the scout to magically keep up with an always-moving tank. Maybe jumping on a tank and hitching a ride will do the trick, unless CCP fully introduces magic tank lube? Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13488	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:56:00 - [15] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. you are overly optimistic. REs only work if the tank hangs around one place. Most of the truly tough (wiping out your entire team) tanks, keep moving, and dont take the same paths. Putting on a cloak, doesnt allow the scout to magically keep up with an always-moving tank. I seen REs work on moving tanks to great effect. Specially when the next AV guy hits him. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2173	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:56:00 - [16] - Quote for a 3 month patch it seems kind of small, and their were 3 months worth of data leading up to the av issues. I like the suits but those were a year in the making =/ honestly just feels like the teams were finishing up work they had on their back burners rather then putting together a helpful patch. i'm thankful as usual, but i'm looking more forward to the fan fest patch.
Testing Turbo Bragian Order Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:56:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. Scuse me but the teams are really busy as you said with the fanfest patch, they're working their posteriors off and making any of the current patches too big with split attention could cause some lol bad business. Remember militia overdrives at 100% speed increase? Good example of too much all at once. AV v V will be a topic demanded to be hot fixed by the CPM. Let face it they've had plenty of time to fix AV but chose not too ...there is still a swarm launcher bug as shown in Judge Radamantheus video showing the damage not being applied properley thus making SLs useless and this hasn;t been fixed despite being a bug we've dealt with for 4 months It shouldn;t be a hotfix it should;ve been in 1.8
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2294	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:58:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I seen REs work on moving tanks to great effect. Specially when the next AV guy hits him. Even if they are not detonated they act as nice positioning beacons for your team. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2717	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:58:00 - [19] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Uhhhh, I usually have to toss AV nades at a tank before I can "pop" it. Alright, so these scouts can make use of either 2 AV or Flux grenades. It's difficult to deny how drastict cloaks will shape things. I anticipiate more red line tanking. It's going to let us run up to a tank, decloak, the tank will see us in 3rd person view(cause tanks don't have a blind spot) then they will drive away before we can get the 2nd or 3rd RE on. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13492	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:59:00 - [20] - Quote Testing Turbo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Talks for a hotfix is ongoing. This is the one issue I keep slapping them with. I'm sorry IWS, but CCP has pretty much shown that they prefer to only update market items for which they are charging Aurum. I am dubious to CCP making any forthcoming changes that are very much necessary to balance out the current disparity between vehicles themselves, as well as between vehicles and AV. Reducing the damage mods and AV nades together is just stupid. It will make AV struggle so hard to take out bad tanks, let alone people in my caliber of tank. Scuse me but the teams are really busy as you said with the fanfest patch, they're working their posteriors off and making any of the current patches too big with split attention could cause some lol bad business. Remember militia overdrives at 100% speed increase? Good example of too much all at once. AV v V will be a topic demanded to be hot fixed by the CPM. Let face it they've had plenty of time to fix AV but chose not too ...there is still a swarm launcher bug as shown in Judge Radamantheus video showing the damage not being applied properley thus making SLs useless and this hasn;t been fixed despite being a bug we've dealt with for 4 months It shouldn;t be a hotfix it should;ve been in 1.8 How old do you think 1.8 is? You know there is a certification process for a patch on the sony network and that video was brought to my attention well after 1.8 was shipped. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:59:00 - [21] - Quote Well at least we will finally get WP for chasing those tanks away. I hope they at least do something to mlt tanks in a hot fix. Might be nice to actually pop a 0 sp tank before its 3rd pass. I am nobody.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13492	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:00:00 - [22] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I seen REs work on moving tanks to great effect. Specially when the next AV guy hits him. Even if they are not detonated they act as nice positioning beacons for your team. ^^^^ Just dont run into your own RE's after the hav been recalled. they seem to detonate on contact with you. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 719	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:01:00 - [23] - Quote calisk galern wrote: i'm thankful as usual, but i'm looking more forward to the fan fest patch. I'm not thankful. Delivering on long overdue content is good, but that is just making up for past errors. Dust itself seems to be an exercise in looking forward, because every patch that is supposed to be the "next big thing" is just a limped out effort not even addressing the issues cropping up. How long did it take to make changes to the rifles? 8 months? Does CCP really expect noobs to get fed to the lions in tanks until then? Not that I care for the noobs, but how little does CCP care? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2294	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nope, Tanks are going to be popping left and right. Scouts with cloaks and REs are the new AV role. Yes, it's a little limited, but will likely do the job of killing tanks fast. Uhhhh, I usually have to toss AV nades at a tank before I can "pop" it. Alright, so these scouts can make use of either 2 AV or Flux grenades. It's difficult to deny how drastict cloaks will shape things. I anticipiate more red line tanking. It's going to let us run up to a tank, decloak, the tank will see us in 3rd person view(cause tanks don't have a blind spot) then they will drive away before we can get the 2nd or 3rd RE on. Either crouch in the very front of the tank (they are always looking at their rear), decloak, prep the vehicle; or jump on top of the tank and ride the bull as you place REs. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13492	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: calisk galern wrote: i'm thankful as usual, but i'm looking more forward to the fan fest patch. I'm not thankful. Delivering on long overdue content is good, but that is just making up for past errors. Dust itself seems to be an exercise in looking forward, because every patch that is supposed to be the "next big thing" is just a limped out effort not even addressing the issues cropping up. How long did it take to make changes to the rifles? 8 months? Does CCP really expect noobs to get fed to the lions in tanks until then? Not that I care for the noobs, but how little does CCP care? Would like a buff to CCP to double or quadruple the content team size from its current size of supposedly one person. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2294	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:03:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I seen REs work on moving tanks to great effect. Specially when the next AV guy hits him. Even if they are not detonated they act as nice positioning beacons for your team. ^^^^ Just dont run into your own RE's after the hav been recalled. they seem to detonate on contact with you. Tis a lovely bug. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 118	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:03:00 - [27] - Quote its been nearly four months, they could have just hotfixed this rubbish and they chose not to. all they have to do is tweak a few stats, it should not take them that long. you know this.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1054	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:06:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: you are overly optimistic. REs only work if the tank hangs around one place. Most of the truly tough (wiping out your entire team) tanks, keep moving, and dont take the same paths. Putting on a cloak, doesnt allow the scout to magically keep up with an always-moving tank. I seen REs work on moving tanks to great effect. Specially when the next AV guy hits him. "Seen it happen", and "routinely viable in a decent match" are two very different things. My experience has been that all too often, even when I manage to catch up to a moving tank and deploy an RE... literally half the time, the RE slides off, nd deploys on the ground. "yay". If REs are going to be The Official ground troup anti-tank method, then they need some vehicle attraction, a la AV grenades.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 719	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:08:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How old do you think 1.8 is? You know there is a certification process for a patch on the sony network and that video was brought to my attention well after 1.8 was shipped. Don't really take this personally, but you can go and insert something long enough down your throat to dislodge whatever stick is up your backside. As a CPM, you have failed to communicate to CCP the necessity of getting Vehicle/AV changes put into this patch, which is already long overdue. Don't get mad at the playerbase because the people you chose to interface are incompetent, and don't try to adopt and sort of holier than thou attitude with the people who are kept in the dark by CCP. Considering that CCP made a big stink about Sony working with them to shorten turn around on certification, and given that that certification process used to get done in 21 days for Dice, it is not unreasonable to think that 1.8 was code locked this month, and content locked last month. What is funny about that is that CCP had their plans in place to nerf damage mods and nades some months ago AND SAID NOTHING. If they just dropped this on you as well, then shame on them. You should be grovelling right now, because you have not done your job for the players. CCP should be glad that they have you to front this out for them, becuase they are going to go into damage control and STFU until fanfest. Which is pathetic. They thought this out, didn't ask for feedback, and clearly don't care what the players think about these changes. If this is the way Rouge does business, expect this game to hit Glitter standards of quality real soon. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13496	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: its been nearly four months, they could have just hotfixed this rubbish and they chose not to. all they have to do is tweak a few stats, it should not take them that long. you know this. Tis' not as easy as you think. In the worst days of AV v V it was being done in the manner you described, haphazardly. These days its a drive by the numbers. There needs to be a happy balance between gut and numbers but that requires a matured game where one player can spout out a number change and experts in dust would be able to instantly tell you why that number is terrible; then have a dev on the same page that sort of thinking. We're closer but it will take time. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked



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