nerf it buff its counter.

- Tanks are way more powerful than Any kind of AV (JLAV doesn't count, since it's not listed as AV)

- Swarms = useless

- FG = only for heavy suits.

- AV nades = well with 3 nades, still useless. CCP is reducing the number of nades i hear

- Damage mods = getting nerfed (Less damage from Swarms and FG)

- Cost of AV > Cost of Tanks (Compare SP and ISK both)

- Effectiveness of AV = LOL

- Effectiveness of Tank = Every tom, **** and harry can have one

And you need l33t tanking skills to survive... Right

Unless the Pilot is smart and brings either another (or two or three) tanks to support him, or has supporting Infantry. The thing is in the current state you can beat stupid tankers with teamwork with ease (you can also solo them). But against smart Pilots working together AV is helpless, the same is true if the Pilot brings some Infantry with them...

So in general

5 Tanks > 5 AV (assuming both either work together or solo)

1 Tank 4 AI infantry men > 5 AV (assuming both sides work together)

That leads to 5 of Team A > 5 of Team B this is a problem as long as we have equal team sizes....

So teamwork is OP?

Yeah....I know this is anecdotal but I am noticing the difference between when our squads are working together and how that affects my HAV and what happens when it doesn't.

I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:

I've have always been saying that teamwork makes a huge difference when fighting vehicles but of course I am just a scrub or some other word intended to insult me or dissuade me. It is not even worth trying to argue that working together is better than running solo and hiding. I see vehicles explode all the time from all types of AV weapons but that doesn't matter because if it isn't soloable then it is broken. A squad of six advanced geared mercs with three in AV and three supporting will wreck almost any vehicle pretty quickly when they are working as a team and coordinating attacks. Yes, multiple vehicles are tough and yes the squad needs to be supported but it can be done and is done all the time.

I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:

I've have always been saying that teamwork makes a huge difference when fighting vehicles but of course I am just a scrub or some other word intended to insult me or dissuade me. It is not even worth trying to argue that working together is better than running solo and hiding. I see vehicles explode all the time from all types of AV weapons but that doesn't matter because if it isn't soloable then it is broken. A squad of six advanced geared mercs with three in AV and three supporting will wreck almost any vehicle pretty quickly when they are working as a team and coordinating attacks. Yes, multiple vehicles are tough and yes the squad needs to be supported but it can be done and is done all the time.

Forget about PC.

You cant forget about PC

PC is generally the most balanced mode we can find

If you break a role/playstyle for pubs then it becomes useless for PC

No.

It results in a massive isk loss for the AV with many infantry deaths and with so many infantry going av this gives the enemy an infantry advantage resulting in a few dead tanks but a lost match for the side trying to kill the tanks.

A defeat screen is never fun plus toss in lost isk and for many it becomes talk to the sig.

No.

It results in a massive isk loss for the AV with many infantry deaths and with so many infantry going av this gives the enemy an infantry advantage resulting in a few dead tanks but a lost match for the side trying to kill the tanks.

A defeat screen is never fun plus toss in lost isk and for many it becomes talk to the sig.

tanks arnt op tanks in real life dont go down in one shot kill them they are TANKS i am infintary and tanker but i do agree on tank prices are way to low but 1mill is to high lke 100-200k isk will be right

PC you have 16 of your players. so you can afford to spam tanks too, which makes it irrelevant when it comes to the real issue between Tank and AV balance.... Which btw is far from balanced... Nice try btw... Would've expected that kinda answer from spkr not you. You are a good tanker, so i don't see why you need to act like a ***** and keep pushing for more crutches... You of all people should know the difference..

I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:

I don't understand what you all will consider balanced, like BF where one stinger will kill a jet no prob? I am not saying things are balanced. What is the appropriate way to fix this, limit vehicles to one per match? I feel like we aren't being objective on how we think vehicles should be. Militia shouldn't invalidate higher tiers but the higher tiers shouldn't make militia useless. People say that three mercs is too many to fight a HAV but at the same time people have no problem popping almost any vehicle with three people.

A good squad with flux, AV nades, RE or Prox mines can keep a vehicle at bay and still be very deadly. Pilots don't want us instapopping their vehicles but everyone else wants to solo the best fits. A proto fit militia HAV cost ISK and my 50k suit can just about handle it and sometime does destroy it. Where is the line that is considered balanced. People are too risk adverse, there is no pride in what they do and they only have short sighted complaints that they don't have a weapon that can defeat anything. Triple hardened HAVs are difficult but not impossible and anything but those are usually turned into ashed in no time.

You can't win every time and if you think you can, want to or think that you should be able to then you are playing the wrong game. It is ok to lose, it is ok to go negative to accomplish a goal. Loss is part of New Eden and should be a learning experience not a viewed as being as being bad. Five vehicles on the field? Yeah, it should take at least three mercs to fight them. A squad of six against five vehicles? Sounds about right, that still leaves at least 10 per side on foot.

Infantry do have disadvantages but so do vehicles, they can go where we can, they don't have the agility we do, they can't hide as well as we can, they don't have the same fields of view, they get stuck easier, they make much more noise and are easier to spot in the open, they can't fight multiple targets as easily as we can, they can hack objectives, they can't switch out fits as easily, they can't do many things we can do. I am not saying they are balanced. They have ups and downs and with tactics, teamwork and support can wreck infantry but the the same is true about infantry against vehicle. I am not saying they are perfectly balanced but when half a squad can kill almost any vehicle then it seems to be going in the right direction.

inb4 Facts

Tanks in real life do go down and 1 hit, and/or kills the entire crew inside.

tanks arnt op tanks in real life dont go down in one shot kill them they are TANKS i am infintary and tanker but i do agree on tank prices are way to low but 1mill is to high lke 100-200k isk will be right

100k is still cheaper than an assault suit lol

Laptop is still cheaper than a iPhone