Stay the **** out of our tanks you scrub! Just use a SL and team work. You will be fine.

Which suit can't equip the rail rifle?

- Tanks are way more powerful than Any kind of AV (JLAV doesn't count, since it's not listed as AV)

- Swarms = useless

- FG = only for heavy suits.

- AV nades = well with 3 nades, still useless. CCP is reducing the number of nades i hear

- Damage mods = getting nerfed (Less damage from Swarms and FG)

- Cost of AV > Cost of Tanks (Compare SP and ISK both)

- Effectiveness of AV = LOL

- Effectiveness of Tank = Every tom, **** and harry can have one

And you need l33t tanking skills to survive... Right

Rework swarms - they've been quadruple-nerfed (damage mods, range, base damage, and targeting). A nerf was needed, but this is too much. How often do you still see successful swarmers? Here's an idea:

Diversify swarm launchers with an obvious trade-off: e.g. long range, low damage vs. short range, high damage. Take the current Swarm Launchers and create different versions by increasing one of their traits:
- one with +20% damage (no, that's not too much)
- one with increased locking and shooting range.

In addition, add an AV+AP version that allows you to shoot one bullet manually on AP, WITHOUT the locking opportunity. This way the merc can have a limited AP-role as well.

Finally, add a version that can shoot AV manually without tracking. The loss of locking enables this weapon to shoot swarms at a faster rate. Ideal for close combat.

1.They generally are, if my main turret is weaker than the portable handheld version then something is wrong tho the breach FG is lovely to use

2. Against shield and shiny tanks

3. Made for heavy suits in mind, this is not medium frame 514 no matter how much you cry about it

4. Secondary AV weapon for extra damage, also still home in on target and never miss, want more damage? then get rid of the auto seeking crutch so your aim actually has to do the work

5. Its mainly to improve TTK for infantry

6. ISK is not a factor - Well thats what AV used to say when it was 20k worth of AV nades able to kill a 2mil tank but now the shoe is on the other foot and they dont like it

7. My FG still works, so does swarms that i have seen, also proxy can but are not used and RE work very well, AV nades are good at getting a bit more damage in

8. MLT tanks effective, thats something you dont say everyday


So far 3 months of lovely vehicles

One of the logistics suits can only use sidearms, lol.

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7. My FG still works, so does swarms that i have seen, also proxy can but are not used and RE work very well, AV nades are good at getting a bit more damage in

Dude, you have talked so much BS on these forums defending your OP crutch that you have absolutely zero credibility. You want easy mode LOL tanks to pad your KDR and then somehow convince yourself you're a good player. Its laughable

proxies are another broken item vehicles pass right over and do not go off. another broken item...

Yet, I come back to the game, go into an ambush, meet a madrugar with Ion cannon, he puts his hardner on. I still ripped off nearly half his armor in one volley with my wyrkomi with 2 proto dmg mods. The problem is more likely the amount of tanks that can be called in, in ambush games. I cannot fight 3 tanks, while I have infantry shooting at me in an ambush games.
Further, i'm pretty sure, alot of you will have it easier playing Domination or Skirmishes, as tanks are easier to take out.
Again, it's the AMOUNT of tanks, that can be called in, in AMBUSH matches that are ruining it in my opinion.

These tanks are nothing compared to the tanks existing, just when the game launched into beta. Invincible missile tanks.

I clearly recall your entire squad, yesterday, spamming tanks and dropships. Needless to say after that match I logged out of dust. Your squad ruined my 3 match streak of no tanks being deployed on either side... Dust was fun for a moment...

Forge gun doesn't count because you need a heavy slot? Now I'm not a fan of tanks & I want them nerfed to ****, but this is stupid, shall we dismiss the rail rifle as being an anti infantry weapon because it requires a light weapon slot, which not all suits can equip?

You've also forgotten the Laser cannon, it may be difficult to use, but some people can make it quite effective.

You also forgot remote explosives, which even without an LAV attached to them are quite effective, even if you can't be bothered to stick them to the tank, or leave them on the floor until a tank drives over it, you can also attach them to a dropship, park it on top of them, then climb out and detonate... Boom!


Tanks are fine, it's damage mods, large turrets & armour repair modules that are the problem... Price could possibly use an increase.

Unless the Pilot is smart and brings either another (or two or three) tanks to support him, or has supporting Infantry. The thing is in the current state you can beat stupid tankers with teamwork with ease (you can also solo them). But against smart Pilots working together AV is helpless, the same is true if the Pilot brings some Infantry with them...

So in general

5 Tanks > 5 AV (assuming both either work together or solo)

1 Tank 4 AI infantry men > 5 AV (assuming both sides work together)

That leads to 5 of Team A > 5 of Team B this is a problem as long as we have equal team sizes....

1.They generally are, if my main turret is weaker than the portable handheld version then something is wrong tho the breach FG is lovely to use

2. Against shield and shiny tanks

3. Made for heavy suits in mind, this is not medium frame 514 no matter how much you cry about it

4. Secondary AV weapon for extra damage, also still home in on target and never miss, want more damage? then get rid of the auto seeking crutch so your aim actually has to do the work

5. Its mainly to improve TTK for infantry

6. ISK is not a factor - Well thats what AV used to say when it was 20k worth of AV nades able to kill a 2mil tank but now the shoe is on the other foot and they dont like it

7. My FG still works, so does swarms that i have seen, also proxy can but are not used and RE work very well, AV nades are good at getting a bit more damage in

8. MLT tanks effective, thats something you dont say everyday


So far 3 months of lovely vehicles

1.They generally are, if my main turret is weaker than the portable handheld version then something is wrong tho the breach FG is lovely to use

2. Against shield and shiny tanks

3. Made for heavy suits in mind, this is not medium frame 514 no matter how much you cry about it

4. Secondary AV weapon for extra damage, also still home in on target and never miss, want more damage? then get rid of the auto seeking crutch so your aim actually has to do the work

5. Its mainly to improve TTK for infantry

6. ISK is not a factor - Well thats what AV used to say when it was 20k worth of AV nades able to kill a 2mil tank but now the shoe is on the other foot and they dont like it

7. My FG still works, so does swarms that i have seen, also proxy can but are not used and RE work very well, AV nades are good at getting a bit more damage in

8. MLT tanks effective, thats something you dont say everyday


So far 3 months of lovely vehicles

Nor should you be able to easily solo AV inside a tank.

Stay the **** out of our tanks you scrub! Just use a SL and team work. You will be fine.

No weapon is useless. Swarms just require a bit too much team work. It takes 4 mlt swarms to scare a tank

When he is 200m away on a tower constantly jumping back or hanging back with a breach jumping forward and then retreating back to charge some AV are quite impossible to kill.

Well we once had dumbfire swarms...apart from that the lock on mechanic makes swarms a niche weonon they can only be used against vehicles whereas the forges allows AI as well....

i was playing with my corp last night and were taking down tanks left and right with a combo of swarms and forges without dmg mods in the suits. it is possible. it takes teamwork and someone to call it out and ask for help taking it out. tanks are very hard to solo on foot. it can be done cause I have seen it. but in pubs when u are soloing it it becomes hard. I just learn to avoid the roads and trails when tanks are on the field. I will agree that milita tanks are just a little op but I don't think u should be able to easily solo a tank.

When CCP gives us an AV weapon effective against shields we'll use it. And don't say the plasma cannon because that's no AV weapon.

Isn't it better than Redline rail tankers ?! Atleast these forge gunners are inside the map...

What? The PLC is great against vehicles, I have an advanced with no other skills in it and works well. If I were to max it out it would be very powerful, a PLC round and one flux will drop shields and if they are hardened it will make them run. A good PLCer is very effective against shield HAVs.

If I could weigh im at all on this conversation I would suggest to Atiim that he remember first, and my statement comes in two parts, that we are firing cannon much larger than anything you have access to, and as such infantry being HIT, by that will suffer from the forces of that cannon as they do in ALL FPS games.......BUT I hear what you are saying. AV should have a means to solo, with EFFORT, an HAV unit.

The fact they cannot I somewhat attribute to map design primarily as we do not have urban environments and or areas with significant cover to allow you proper position to take advantage of your fire power and mobility to outmanoeuvre us.

However I stand by, and all will, the need for AV engagement zones and HAV engagement zones to over lap allowing both sides the capacity to engage and destroy one another.

I cannot support the manipulation of natural efficiencies of weapons to make certain types more effective against certain vehicle types....that is breaking of immersion and not a fair or balanced game mechanic.

I can support a slight AV damage buff to compensate for the nerf of damage modules, that to me make sense.

I heavily support the tweaking of HAV themselves to balance around static AV values.


Disclaimer: I too am not satisfied with the balance between AV and HAV.....but I also do not want to see balance revert to something like 1.3-1.5 where HAVers could not see the source of AV, nor engage it. That I felt was poor mechanics.