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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:57:00 -
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there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:58:00 -
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ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:00:00 -
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Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:03:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why.
with multiple rails, 2 forges and 3 swarmers tanks are stupid easy to kill, but for some reason only an ADS provokes a team to bring all that out. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3533
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:03:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship.
Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS.
Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour.
Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage.
No.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:07:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS. Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour. Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage.
and solo thats true....
but the amount of damage 3 swarmers puts out cannot be ignored... add in some forge action and BOOM.
for some reason people seem SPAM av at a dropship, but arnt willing to do the same against tanks?
methinks the only reason they try to spam is BECAUSE its easy, against anything that would require spam to kill nobody wants to even try.
tanks were balanced around the spam potential and in repose everyone refused to spam AV against tanks. but they will still do it against dropships becuase they still percieve it as easy.
basically if people put half as much effort into AVing tanks as they do dropships then tanks wouldnt be stomping around unmolested right now. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:26:00 -
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being a dropship pilot tells me, people only want to counter you if its easy.
if it feels at all like a challenge then its easyer to get it nerfed. |
Henrietta Unknown
Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai
44
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:52:00 -
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Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
837
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:59:00 -
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People can usualy escape from tanks into citties roof tops and mountainus areas, but thats not true for ADSs, also the small missle turret 1-2 shots most none heavys so people tend to get fed up with their buzzing around quick.
I personaly will put way more effort into killing ADS because they annoy the **** out of me, tanks are easy to kill, i toss a few REs out and they are done.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
4820
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:01:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********.
I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus.
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Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:02:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why. with multiple rails, 2 forges and 3 swarmers tanks are stupid easy to kill, but for some reason only an ADS provokes a team to bring all that out.
Watching them crash into the ground is fun. Other than that I am not sure.
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Hel Zazaku
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
33
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:03:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. Nah I pull forge guns for everything because if the tank isn't dead then why isn't the tank dead? |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:04:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus.
im convinced that people just do NOT want to do anything thats marginally difficult...
although i am in favor of a hardner nerf (as in you can only have one hardener) |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:06:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:being a dropship pilot tells me, people only want to counter you if its easy.
if it feels at all like a challenge then its easyer to get it nerfed.
You're going to have to stop now because you are making too much sense!
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KGB Sleep
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:07:00 -
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ADS are a bigger threat than tanks imo.
As to why everyone targets them I can only guess because they know that the DS will be in line of sight again soon. That and they are hilarious to hit. If a FG could send a tank skidding into a building I bet ppl would shoot a lot more tanks.
Because beer, that's why.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:09:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. im convinced that people just do NOT want to do anything thats marginally difficult... although i am in favor of a hardner nerf (as in you can only have one hardener)
Maybe limit it to two because one wouldn't reward a good pilot whom knows what they are doing.
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MRBH1997
Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:17:00 -
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Tank spam wouldn't be so common if it wasn't for CCP making militia tanks basically just as good as standard and proto. Only difference between militia and proto mods is how long it takes to recharge. If CCP fixed that so the only hard to kill tanks were adv or proto modded than we would see tank spamming drop quite a bit.
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
724
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:23:00 -
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There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs.
Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had.
This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:47:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs.
Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had.
This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news.
its only fun to kill something when its super easy and you only wish to be up against things that are super easy for you to kill, got it.
and you would rather frustratingly die by not killing it then be frusterated by killing it. |
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:52:00 -
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It's because a tank can take out 3 of those AV players before they are able to become a serious threat, and you only ever see 0-2 AV players remaining that can do something about the tank.
Also, the more you kill with an ADS the more will switch to AV on their next spawn because they know they can easily take it out. Also, dropships are more annoying...like mass drivers.
Tanks don't always make people switch to AV though.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:55:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's because a tank can take out 3 of those AV players before they are able to become a serious threat, and you only ever see 0-2 AV players remaining that can do something about the tank.
Also, the more you kill with an ADS the more will switch to AV on their next spawn because they know they can easily take it out. Also, dropships are more annoying...like mass drivers.
Tanks don't always make people switch to AV though.
it just amuses me becuase the amount of AV peopel bring out against dropships is enough to take out the tanks... and yet people wont do it against tanks, they would just rather complain about it despite SHOWING that they are capable of bringing that kind of firepower to bare.
its kinda like a toddler stamping their feet screaming "i dont wanna" despite however much worse it makes the situation for them. |
Henrietta Unknown
Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai
45
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:00:00 -
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Solution: Everyone skill into Proximity Mines and RE's.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2021
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:03:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs.
Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had.
This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news.
Wrong, the harder it is to do then then better it is when you do it. If killing HAVs were easy I wouldn't have skilled into AV. If it easy it would be boring.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
929
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:04:00 -
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As a pilot I do notice that the ENTIRE TEAM tries there best to kill me. I roll out a 2-shotting Sica and..... silence. But I don't touch infantry in my tank. I touch things that go KABLAMO! But I will run you over in my tank if you keep STANDING IN FRONT OF IT firing swarms. I target infantry in my Incubus BECAUSE there so hard too hit. And they never stop shooting at me. So annoying, bring my cheap Sica and SILENCE, bring out my 700k Incubus 'OH MY GOD ITS A INCUBUS!!! SOUND THE ALARM! BRING OUT THE KAALOTAKA FORGE GUNS!! THE WYRMOKI SWARM LAUNCHERS!! THE RAILTANKS!!! GO! GO! GO!
And people wonder why I hate them.
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Nosid Katona
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:05:00 -
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Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match.
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Henrietta Unknown
Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai
45
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:08:00 -
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Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. Not to mention the Grimsnes's that were as much of a plague as a tanker, but you couldn't run from them.
Thankfully I've only run into two instances. |
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:26:00 -
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Liking this thread... Oops. Did I accidently bump it? My bad....
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Asha Starwind
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:36:00 -
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It's avoid a tank, an obnoxious derpship no so much.
To expand on derpship pilot before someone gets the wrong idea (not necessarily al at once) - active scanner: equipped - mobile cru: equppied - hacking a letter? he's and there spamming rockets it isn't indoors. - Really tall tower, building, spire, thingy, etc.? Decorating them with uplinks
and a tank...is only a nuisance wherever it happens to be.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:43:00 -
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Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match.
so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle...
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Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:50:00 -
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Maybe if u guys would call in a dropship while the tank spam is going on there will bring some change?
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:51:00 -
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Hunting tanks is boring and not much reward involved in killing them. Sure you get some WP, but who cares, I can get more wp from killing infantry and hacking objectives.....
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:55:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:56:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:58:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2029
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:00:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:00:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective You play TF2 don't you? My zwiehandler is confused It hurt dranglec sword in its confussion Vengarl armor faints 20000000 souls awarded
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:01:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. From personal experience, one ADS on the field is far more trouble than one tank on the field. It can run away instantly, it can get uplinks to the most unreachable (and irritating) of places, it can do fly-by's and take out 3 guys in one sweep and be gone in under 2 seconds, and it's ability to fly around far above your head forces you to have to look away from your natural FoV to make sure it isn't targeting you.
So one ADS is more irritating than one tank in most cases. And on the flip side, an ADS also flies around in the air which is one huge open shooting gallery on most maps, which makes AVing them seem easier than trying to chase down tanks on foot.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:21:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. From personal experience, one ADS on the field is far more trouble than one tank on the field. It can run away instantly, it can get uplinks to the most unreachable (and irritating) of places, it can do fly-by's and take out 3 guys in one sweep and be gone in under 2 seconds, and it's ability to fly around far above your head forces you to have to look away from your natural FoV to make sure it isn't targeting you. So one ADS is more irritating than one tank in most cases. And on the flip side, an ADS also flies around in the air which is one huge open shooting gallery on most maps, which makes AVing them seem easier than trying to chase down tanks on foot. You know, it's actually really sad. If you shoot someone from behind and above them, they hardly ever see you, even if they turn around. I once trolled this heavy for 30 seconds, getting him to armor before he turned around multiple times, and he never saw me standing 10 meters away because I was above him, too. I killed him and he sent me rage, telling me I was "hacking", shooting him through walls.
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Kosakai
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:29:00 -
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tanks are easy to kill.... i can kill with my forge militia tank in few seconds...
bigger problem is with madrugar or gunlogies... but if someone help you its easy )))
i love to pilot ASD but how you told !
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:15:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:
its only fun to kill something when its super easy and you only wish to be up against things that are super easy for you to kill, got it.
and you would rather frustratingly die by not killing it then be frusterated by killing it.
Not what I said, so no, you don't "got it." Further, killing dropships is only "easy" if they suck, are unlucky, or you are using a rail tank. A better, more accurate word is in order.
Given your two opition, I choose neither. Frankly, I quit the match when my choices are between being frustrated and being frustrated.
The Robot Devil wrote:
Wrong, the harder it is to do then then better it is when you do it. If killing HAVs were easy I wouldn't have skilled into AV. If it easy it would be boring.
Random quotes
Oh, looky. A bunch of quotes from random significant people from history...
They sure showed me that I am wrong, despite me only conveying my frustration caused by the lacklustre quality of vehicle/AV balance (which is a well documented issue).
If I wanted difficulty, I'd play Dark Souls or something. At least that game has top notch mechanics and the difficulty is NOT caused by underpowered/overpowed issues like DUST.
Anyway,
I recall making a post awhile back about the diminishing middle ground. This thread reminded me of it. Because apparently there is only "hard" and "easy," black and white.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
757
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Posted - 2014.03.18 09:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included.
Stupid tankers without teamwork aren't hard to kill if YOU use teamwork. I can tell the same story but the other way round where even multiple AV weren't able to stop HAV spam... |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
765
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Posted - 2014.03.18 09:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
I've wondered the same, my drop ship always brings AV out but my tanks never do. I'd guess because you can see the ADS from just about anywhere where as they'd have to chase down the tank.
CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3535
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
Ghosts Chance wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce.
but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce?
if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you...
and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS. Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour. Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage. and solo thats true.... but the amount of damage 3 swarmers puts out cannot be ignored... add in some forge action and BOOM. for some reason people seem SPAM av at a dropship, but arnt willing to do the same against tanks? methinks the only reason they try to spam is BECAUSE its easy, against anything that would require spam to kill nobody wants to even try. tanks were balanced around the spam potential and in repose everyone refused to spam AV against tanks. but they will still do it against dropships becuase they still percieve it as easy. basically if people put half as much effort into AVing tanks as they do dropships then tanks wouldnt be stomping around unmolested right now.
No, three swarmers is when the tank drives around the corner and is fine.
No.
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Tau Lai
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:29:00 -
[44] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included. Never happened.
I can see you
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
1147
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:56:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1391
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:01:00 -
[46] - Quote
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07
lol im glad thats how it turned out, i was worried that i had forgotten someone and was desperatly trying to remember who they were. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
824
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
Ghosts Chance wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do.
As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07 lol im glad thats how it turned out, i was worried that i had forgotten someone and was desperatly trying to remember who they were. I WAS talking to Ghosts Chance. We agree on quite a bit, and have played together (on a different character), so....
And ANNIHILATOR, yeah, we do need to sqd, we have yet to do so.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1400
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:47:00 -
[48] - Quote
Luna Angelo wrote: I WAS talking to Ghosts Chance. We agree on quite a bit, and have played together (on a different character), so....
And ANNIHILATOR, yeah, we do need to sqd, we have yet to do so.
oops
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
999
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
I can't speak for everyone else but I am more likely to pull out the only AV I have against an ADS because I feel like I may actually drive it off. I know I'm not going to kill it but I can atleast annoy the guy. Against a tank I know he is just laughing at my vain attempt to deter him from raping me and my entire team.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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