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Ulme Mees Rautaleijona Top Men. 142	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:51:00 - [31] - Quote Hunting tanks is boring and not much reward involved in killing them. Sure you get some WP, but who cares, I can get more wp from killing infantry and hacking objectives..... Fear is a disease!
jerrmy12 kahoalii 534	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:55:00 - [32] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 936	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:56:00 - [33] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective You play TF2 don't you? Psycho Scout Speedy McFaster- Psycho Logi Cool McCoolNess- Psycho Pilot
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 814	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:58:00 - [34] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2029	Posted - 2014.03.18 07:00:00 - [35] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. The truth will out. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
jerrmy12 kahoalii 535	Posted - 2014.03.18 07:00:00 - [36] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended. Why didnt you do a back stab? So much more effective You play TF2 don't you? My zwiehandler is confused It hurt dranglec sword in its confussion Vengarl armor faints 20000000 souls awarded Hint Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1188	Posted - 2014.03.18 07:01:00 - [37] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. From personal experience, one ADS on the field is far more trouble than one tank on the field. It can run away instantly, it can get uplinks to the most unreachable (and irritating) of places, it can do fly-by's and take out 3 guys in one sweep and be gone in under 2 seconds, and it's ability to fly around far above your head forces you to have to look away from your natural FoV to make sure it isn't targeting you. So one ADS is more irritating than one tank in most cases. And on the flip side, an ADS also flies around in the air which is one huge open shooting gallery on most maps, which makes AVing them seem easier than trying to chase down tanks on foot. MAG ~ Raven
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 814	Posted - 2014.03.18 07:21:00 - [38] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. From personal experience, one ADS on the field is far more trouble than one tank on the field. It can run away instantly, it can get uplinks to the most unreachable (and irritating) of places, it can do fly-by's and take out 3 guys in one sweep and be gone in under 2 seconds, and it's ability to fly around far above your head forces you to have to look away from your natural FoV to make sure it isn't targeting you. So one ADS is more irritating than one tank in most cases. And on the flip side, an ADS also flies around in the air which is one huge open shooting gallery on most maps, which makes AVing them seem easier than trying to chase down tanks on foot. You know, it's actually really sad. If you shoot someone from behind and above them, they hardly ever see you, even if they turn around. I once trolled this heavy for 30 seconds, getting him to armor before he turned around multiple times, and he never saw me standing 10 meters away because I was above him, too. I killed him and he sent me rage, telling me I was "hacking", shooting him through walls. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Kosakai ZionTCD 19	Posted - 2014.03.18 07:29:00 - [39] - Quote tanks are easy to kill.... i can kill with my forge militia tank in few seconds... bigger problem is with madrugar or gunlogies... but if someone help you its easy ))) i love to pilot ASD but how you told ! BIG TARGET FOR REDS SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED FORGE GUN LOVER TANK HUNTER
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 725	Posted - 2014.03.18 08:15:00 - [40] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: its only fun to kill something when its super easy and you only wish to be up against things that are super easy for you to kill, got it. and you would rather frustratingly die by not killing it then be frusterated by killing it. Not what I said, so no, you don't "got it." Further, killing dropships is only "easy" if they suck, are unlucky, or you are using a rail tank. A better, more accurate word is in order. Given your two opition, I choose neither. Frankly, I quit the match when my choices are between being frustrated and being frustrated. The Robot Devil wrote: Wrong, the harder it is to do then then better it is when you do it. If killing HAVs were easy I wouldn't have skilled into AV. If it easy it would be boring. Random quotes Oh, looky. A bunch of quotes from random significant people from history... They sure showed me that I am wrong, despite me only conveying my frustration caused by the lacklustre quality of vehicle/AV balance (which is a well documented issue). If I wanted difficulty, I'd play Dark Souls or something. At least that game has top notch mechanics and the difficulty is NOT caused by underpowered/overpowed issues like DUST. Anyway, I recall making a post awhile back about the diminishing middle ground. This thread reminded me of it. Because apparently there is only "hard" and "easy," black and white. Meanwhile, I was thinking that there was a middle ground. Silly me.

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:14:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included. Stupid tankers without teamwork aren't hard to kill if YOU use teamwork. I can tell the same story but the other way round where even multiple AV weren't able to stop HAV spam...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 765	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:23:00 - [42] - Quote I've wondered the same, my drop ship always brings AV out but my tanks never do. I'd guess because you can see the ADS from just about anywhere where as they'd have to chase down the tank. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3535	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:21:00 - [43] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS. Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour. Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage. and solo thats true.... but the amount of damage 3 swarmers puts out cannot be ignored... add in some forge action and BOOM. for some reason people seem SPAM av at a dropship, but arnt willing to do the same against tanks? methinks the only reason they try to spam is BECAUSE its easy, against anything that would require spam to kill nobody wants to even try. tanks were balanced around the spam potential and in repose everyone refused to spam AV against tanks. but they will still do it against dropships becuase they still percieve it as easy. basically if people put half as much effort into AVing tanks as they do dropships then tanks wouldnt be stomping around unmolested right now. No, three swarmers is when the tank drives around the corner and is fine. No.
Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:29:00 - [44] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included. Never happened. I can see you
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 1147	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:56:00 - [45] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07 AMARR PROTO DONUT PROFICIENCY 5 I MAKE DUST VIDEOS CLICK HERE FOR DONUTS :)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1391	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:01:00 - [46] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07 lol im glad thats how it turned out, i was worried that i had forgotten someone and was desperatly trying to remember who they were.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 824	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:20:00 - [47] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun? Ghost, you and I are buddies, are we not? So I can say this: Denying someone else their favorite playstyle, in other words, what they're good at, is the whole point of tactics. As a dropship pilot, you know this, as you are forcing as many people to go AV as possible. Most would rather shoot infantry all day (I know I would) and yo deny them that luxury. Yes we are ,different corps but same game send an invite whenever 07 lol im glad thats how it turned out, i was worried that i had forgotten someone and was desperatly trying to remember who they were. I WAS talking to Ghosts Chance. We agree on quite a bit, and have played together (on a different character), so.... And ANNIHILATOR, yeah, we do need to sqd, we have yet to do so. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1400	Posted - 2014.03.18 22:47:00 - [48] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I WAS talking to Ghosts Chance. We agree on quite a bit, and have played together (on a different character), so.... And ANNIHILATOR, yeah, we do need to sqd, we have yet to do so. oops
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 999	Posted - 2014.03.18 22:53:00 - [49] - Quote I can't speak for everyone else but I am more likely to pull out the only AV I have against an ADS because I feel like I may actually drive it off. I know I'm not going to kill it but I can atleast annoy the guy. Against a tank I know he is just laughing at my vain attempt to deter him from raping me and my entire team. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.


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