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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1365	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:57:00 - [1] - Quote there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1899	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:58:00 - [2] - Quote ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13468	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:00:00 - [3] - Quote Last time we brought out 5 AV it was a glorious swarm fest, nothing survived; and the enemies kept on calling in more tanks. Tanks included. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1365	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:03:00 - [4] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why. with multiple rails, 2 forges and 3 swarmers tanks are stupid easy to kill, but for some reason only an ADS provokes a team to bring all that out.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3533	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:03:00 - [5] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS. Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour. Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage. No.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1365	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:07:00 - [6] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Because a couple of swarm volleys can scare off a DS. Do that to a Soma & you'll be lucky if it gets down to armour. Do it to a Gunnlogi and you will literally not do any damage. and solo thats true.... but the amount of damage 3 swarmers puts out cannot be ignored... add in some forge action and BOOM. for some reason people seem SPAM av at a dropship, but arnt willing to do the same against tanks? methinks the only reason they try to spam is BECAUSE its easy, against anything that would require spam to kill nobody wants to even try. tanks were balanced around the spam potential and in repose everyone refused to spam AV against tanks. but they will still do it against dropships becuase they still percieve it as easy. basically if people put half as much effort into AVing tanks as they do dropships then tanks wouldnt be stomping around unmolested right now.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1365	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote being a dropship pilot tells me, people only want to counter you if its easy. if it feels at all like a challenge then its easyer to get it nerfed.
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 44	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:52:00 - [8] - Quote Loved it when I parried with a Grimsnes with my Soma. He kept positioning himself directly on top of me so I could never get a shot at him. Almost died had the match not ended.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 837	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:59:00 - [9] - Quote People can usualy escape from tanks into citties roof tops and mountainus areas, but thats not true for ADSs, also the small missle turret 1-2 shots most none heavys so people tend to get fed up with their buzzing around quick. I personaly will put way more effort into killing ADS because they annoy the **** out of me, tanks are easy to kill, i toss a few REs out and they are done. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4820	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:01:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:02:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: ADS are easy to kill, tanks are not. That's why. with multiple rails, 2 forges and 3 swarmers tanks are stupid easy to kill, but for some reason only an ADS provokes a team to bring all that out. Watching them crash into the ground is fun. Other than that I am not sure. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Hel Zazaku Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:03:00 - [12] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. Nah I pull forge guns for everything because if the tank isn't dead then why isn't the tank dead?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1369	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:04:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. im convinced that people just do NOT want to do anything thats marginally difficult... although i am in favor of a hardner nerf (as in you can only have one hardener)
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:06:00 - [14] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: being a dropship pilot tells me, people only want to counter you if its easy. if it feels at all like a challenge then its easyer to get it nerfed. You're going to have to stop now because you are making too much sense! "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
KGB Sleep 875	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:07:00 - [15] - Quote ADS are a bigger threat than tanks imo. As to why everyone targets them I can only guess because they know that the DS will be in line of sight again soon. That and they are hilarious to hit. If a FG could send a tank skidding into a building I bet ppl would shoot a lot more tanks. Because beer, that's why.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:09:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: there can be 1-5 tanks on the field, and at most the infantry will bring out 1 maybe 2 AV fits in responce. but a single assault dropship will cause the enamy team to bring out multiple tanks, 1-3 forge guns and 2-5 swarms in responce? if you guys did that against the tank spam they wouldnt be able to walk all over you... and dont give me the "vulnerable to infantry" excuse because aparently your not vulnerable enough to stop you from dedicating half a team to kill off a single dropship. Seriously, it's ********. I have myself seen a team just bend over for an entire squad of tanks, but all pull Forge Guns and Swarms for a single Incubus. im convinced that people just do NOT want to do anything thats marginally difficult... although i am in favor of a hardner nerf (as in you can only have one hardener) Maybe limit it to two because one wouldn't reward a good pilot whom knows what they are doing. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
MRBH1997 Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 75	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:17:00 - [17] - Quote Tank spam wouldn't be so common if it wasn't for CCP making militia tanks basically just as good as standard and proto. Only difference between militia and proto mods is how long it takes to recharge. If CCP fixed that so the only hard to kill tanks were adv or proto modded than we would see tank spamming drop quite a bit. CEO of Knights of Ender Corporation Website: http://koe.shivtr.com Public Channel: Knights of Ender Public
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 724	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:23:00 - [18] - Quote There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs. Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had. This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1370	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:47:00 - [19] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs. Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had. This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news. its only fun to kill something when its super easy and you only wish to be up against things that are super easy for you to kill, got it. and you would rather frustratingly die by not killing it then be frusterated by killing it.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2542	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:52:00 - [20] - Quote It's because a tank can take out 3 of those AV players before they are able to become a serious threat, and you only ever see 0-2 AV players remaining that can do something about the tank. Also, the more you kill with an ADS the more will switch to AV on their next spawn because they know they can easily take it out. Also, dropships are more annoying...like mass drivers. Tanks don't always make people switch to AV though. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1372	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:55:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: It's because a tank can take out 3 of those AV players before they are able to become a serious threat, and you only ever see 0-2 AV players remaining that can do something about the tank. Also, the more you kill with an ADS the more will switch to AV on their next spawn because they know they can easily take it out. Also, dropships are more annoying...like mass drivers. Tanks don't always make people switch to AV though. it just amuses me becuase the amount of AV peopel bring out against dropships is enough to take out the tanks... and yet people wont do it against tanks, they would just rather complain about it despite SHOWING that they are capable of bringing that kind of firepower to bare. its kinda like a toddler stamping their feet screaming "i dont wanna" despite however much worse it makes the situation for them.
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 45	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:00:00 - [22] - Quote Solution: Everyone skill into Proximity Mines and RE's. Tankers may not ever traverse the main road again.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2021	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:03:00 - [23] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: There is absolutely zero fun to be had attempting to counter HAVs with conventional AV weapons. But there is a lot of frustration to be had... Especially at the hands of the supersized 1.6 ARs that masquerade around as HAVs. Countering dropships approaches an area that may be called "fun." Compared to countering HAVs, there is the equivalent of zero frustration to be had. This is a game. I don't play to be frustrated. If I wanted frustration, I'd pay attention to politics or watch the news. Wrong, the harder it is to do then then better it is when you do it. If killing HAVs were easy I wouldn't have skilled into AV. If it easy it would be boring. The superior man makes the difficulty to be overcome his first interest; success only comes later. Confucius A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. Winston Churchill The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. Abraham Lincoln Every great and deep difficulty bears in itself its own solution. It forces us to change our thinking in order to find it. Niels Bohr Surmounting difficulty is the crucible that forms character. Tony Robbins The difficulty we have in accepting responsibility for our behavior lies in the desire to avoid the pain of the consequences of that behavior. M. Scott Peck The greater the difficulty the more glory in surmounting it. Skillful pilots gain their reputation from storms and tempests. Epictetus The difficulty with this conversation is that it's very different from most of the ones I've had of late. Which, as I explained, have mostly been with trees. Douglas Adams "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 929	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:04:00 - [24] - Quote As a pilot I do notice that the ENTIRE TEAM tries there best to kill me. I roll out a 2-shotting Sica and..... silence. But I don't touch infantry in my tank. I touch things that go KABLAMO! But I will run you over in my tank if you keep STANDING IN FRONT OF IT firing swarms. I target infantry in my Incubus BECAUSE there so hard too hit. And they never stop shooting at me. So annoying, bring my cheap Sica and SILENCE, bring out my 700k Incubus 'OH MY GOD ITS A INCUBUS!!! SOUND THE ALARM! BRING OUT THE KAALOTAKA FORGE GUNS!! THE WYRMOKI SWARM LAUNCHERS!! THE RAILTANKS!!! GO! GO! GO! And people wonder why I hate them. Psycho Scout Speedy McFaster- Psycho Logi Cool McCoolNess- Psycho Pilot
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:05:00 - [25] - Quote Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 45	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:08:00 - [26] - Quote Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. Not to mention the Grimsnes's that were as much of a plague as a tanker, but you couldn't run from them. Thankfully I've only run into two instances.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 929	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:26:00 - [27] - Quote Liking this thread... Oops. Did I accidently bump it? My bad.... Psycho Scout Speedy McFaster- Psycho Logi Cool McCoolNess- Psycho Pilot
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 518	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:36:00 - [28] - Quote It's avoid a tank, an obnoxious derpship no so much. To expand on derpship pilot before someone gets the wrong idea (not necessarily al at once) - active scanner: equipped - mobile cru: equppied - hacking a letter? he's and there spamming rockets it isn't indoors. - Really tall tower, building, spire, thingy, etc.? Decorating them with uplinks and a tank...is only a nuisance wherever it happens to be. 32db Mad Bomber.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1373	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:43:00 - [29] - Quote Nosid Katona wrote: Well personally I fear ADS more then Tanks for the simple reson that I've seen what a certain Onslaught ADS pilot can do. As for why people pull out more AV for ADS then Tanks is because if we kill an ADS there is a 90% chance the pilot won't bring it out again; MLT Tanks however can be killed and pulled out almost endlessly and all the time your spending as AV to hold off 1-2 Tanks their 15 other players are killing, hacking, and winning the match. so the fun is in denying someone their favorite playstyle... you derive fun from denying someone else fun?
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 1145	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:50:00 - [30] - Quote Maybe if u guys would call in a dropship while the tank spam is going on there will bring some change? AMARR PROTO DONUT PROFICIENCY 5 I MAKE DUST VIDEOS CLICK HERE FOR DONUTS :)



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